Common sense: Xbox 360 lacks MMOs and MAGs because of LIVE and a weaker CPU

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#1 nogginkl
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Anyone noticed that Microsoft steered away from massive mulitplayer online games (MMOs)? They know that gamers paying monthly fees for MMOs will resent having to pay for LIVE as well. As such, in a field of delicious MMOs, Microsoft is basically letting Sony have all the foods.

Massive action games (MAGs) aren't being developed for the 360 perhaps because the 360's CPU is too weak to do it, or becasue LIVE's dependence on P2P servers make it impractical. Whatever the case, it looks like Sony will win the online games battle, especially with MMOs and MAGs.

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#2 Millennium_King
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Huxley is still in development.
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#3 chansaet
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I wouldn't want to have to pay for both Xbox live and MMO monthly fees. Then again I wouldn't pay $15 a month for one game.
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#4 adders99
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so what MMO's does the ps3 currently have?
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#5 Hitman533
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And dont forget Home.
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#6 Floppy_Jim
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It does have Huxley, but it looks like the PS3 will be the best console for MMO's.
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#7 Gator08
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ever notice that MMOs suck? I could care less, If I wanted to play an MMO I would play one on the PC :roll:
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#8 jg4xchamp
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Champions Online
Huxley
Final Fantasy XI

1 is an MMORPG that is out

1 is an MMO RPG made by the city of heroes guys that will be out in early 09....and has a beta coming

1 is an MMOFPS that has been in development for awhile(its an MMO, it will be expensive and time consuming).

Then there is APB the MMO buy Realtime Worlds

If anything the 360 has more MMOs than the PS3.
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#9 Millennium_King
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DC universe looks cooool man. Can't wait to see how it turns out.
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#10 bungie93
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Don't talk about technology if you have no clue about how it works. The CPU has absolutely nothing to do with performance in an MMO, and by thinking so you have proven that you are clueless when it comes to technology.
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#11 SiKh22
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how does Live P2P work? i don't have a 360, someone explain?
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#12 nogginkl
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so what MMO's does the ps3 currently have?adders99
so what MMO's does the ps3 currently have?adders99

Coming soon: The Agency, Free Realms, and DC Universe. One can also add HOME and MAG.

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#13 MTBare
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Age of Conan, the most technically demanding MMO on the market (by FAR) is coming to 360.
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#14 jg4xchamp
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ok here are the MMOs so far

360
Final Fantasy XI
Champions Online
A.P.B
Age of Conan Hyborian Adventures
Huxley

PS3
The Agency
DC Universe Online
MAG

And I am all but convinced the KOTOR MMO will find its way atleast on the 360....but so far it is rumored a PC exclusive.

The only thing PS3 gets for MMO is that Marvel Online was cancelled on 360, and 360s MMOshooter is 200 players, while MAG is 256 players.
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#15 Danm_999
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Whatever the case, it looks like Sony will win the online games battle, especially with MMOs and MAGs.

nogginkl

As always, the PC is excluded from this battle for being far, far too strong in this area.

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#16 blitzkid1
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APB disagreeswith u.
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#17 Marka1700
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A more accurate statement would be consoles lack MMOs.
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#18 Millennium_King
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[QUOTE="nogginkl"]

Whatever the case, it looks like Sony will win the online games battle, especially with MMOs and MAGs.

Danm_999

As always, the PC is excluded from this battle for being far, far too strong in this area.

Aw, did you minimize your WoW game and type that because you feel left out?

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#19 DivergeUnify
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360 has the best RTS
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#20 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="nogginkl"]

Whatever the case, it looks like Sony will win the online games battle, especially with MMOs and MAGs.

Millennium_King

As always, the PC is excluded from this battle for being far, far too strong in this area.

Aw, did you minimize your WoW game and type that because you feel left out?

Nah, people claiming #2 is #1 is just a pet peeves of mine.

Also, only n00bs play WoW in Fullscreen Mode.

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#21 FFXI-Blk-Mage
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I love MMOs. That is why I own a PC.

PC = for MMOs. Not consoles :)

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#22 diped
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And dont forget Home.Hitman533
uh... I think everyone agrees with me on this one..

What?

How does Home have anything to do with MAG or any MMORPG.
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#23 ArisShadows
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You are a bit misinformed on how many MMOs are on the 360.

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#24 subrosian
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*facepalm* except Everquest was running on systems as weak as the PS2. And Final Fantasy XI was running on a system as weak as the PS2. And Phantasy Star Universe was running a system as weak as the PS2. Hmm... and WoW practically runs on any PC. Get where I'm going with this? The reason there aren't a lot of MMOs on the 360 -OR- PS3 is because it's not in the best interest of MMO-makers to put them on consoles.

You've got a game that can run on any PC, and you want to make $15 a month of the people playing it. You can A. Put it on PC (everyone has one) and keep all of the money for yoruself -OR- B. Spend a lot of money putting it on consoles that not everyone has, and have to pay Sony and Microsoft part of your money. It's a no brainer.

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#25 trasherhead
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its not as drastic as that. Its simply because LIVE is a closed platform where only MS alows its own servers. Whilst on PSN companys can have their own servers running.
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#26 PS3_3DO
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Mag should be called Lag. Oh and the graphics are going to suck bet on it.

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#27 DAZZER7
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Anyone noticed that Microsoft steered away from massive mulitplayer online games (MMOs)? They know that gamers paying monthly fees for MMOs will resent having to pay for LIVE as well. As such, in a field of delicious MMOs, Microsoft is basically letting Sony have all the foods.

Massive action games (MAGs) aren't being developed for the 360 perhaps because the 360's CPU is too weak to do it, or becasue LIVE's dependence on P2P servers make it impractical. Whatever the case, it looks like Sony will win the online games battle, especially with MMOs and MAGs.

nogginkl

OK so others in this thread have explained how you were wrong witrh your original post. I think subrosian put it best in explaining the various mmo's that were on previous generation consoles, wow having very low system requirements etc. You should now appreciate that cpu power has nothing to do with the ability of a console to link up and network with other players or at least in the context of running mmo as you origianlly suggested. Also baring in mind that not all Live games are P2P, some like Battlefield 2 use dedicated servers.

OK, so baring all that in mind, are you going to give us a System Wars first and come and concede you were mistaken in your original post?

Seriously, I just want to see it happen once in my lifetime.

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#28 skrat_01
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Huxley is still in development. Millennium_King
The 360 version has fallen into limbo, the devs stated it themselves.

That and the game looks mediocre - quite frankly.

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#29 6matt6
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The title to this thread is just hilarious. Anyone know why?
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#30 opex07
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not only does the 360 have the only MMO for current gen consoles, but it also has several different games using dedicated servers, more so than even the PS3 currently.
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#31 CreepyBacon
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1) The CPU has nothing to do with it.

2) The 360 currently has more MMOG lined up than the PS3.

3)Live can run dedicated servers just like PSN, Live HAS games with dedicated servers (See unreal tourney 3, a few others that currently slip my mind) so that whole point goes out the window.

Terrible post, terrible argument. Try again.

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#32 Stonin
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[QUOTE="adders99"]so what MMO's does the ps3 currently have?nogginkl

so what MMO's does the ps3 currently have?adders99

Coming soon: The Agency, Free Realms, and DC Universe. One can also add HOME and MAG.

Which part of 'current' meant 'in the future' to you?

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#33 campbell1874
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[QUOTE="Millennium_King"]Huxley is still in development. skrat_01

The 360 version has fallen into limbo, the devs stated it themselves.

That and the game looks mediocre - quite frankly.

I read on gamespot news recently that the publishers stated that the xbox 360 version will be out by the first half of next year.

They have put a lot of time into this game and i think it looks good.

It funny that when i mentioned this game a few month ago PS3 fanboy said this game wouldn't be good because it had to many people playing at the same time but when MAG was announced then suddenly it a great idea.

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#34 campbell1874
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[QUOTE="adders99"]so what MMO's does the ps3 currently have?nogginkl

so what MMO's does the ps3 currently have?adders99

Coming soon: The Agency, Free Realms, and DC Universe. One can also add HOME and MAG.

When is MAG due out? I thought that this was just a new game so it would be a couple of years but if it out sooner then someone let me know.

The same with The Agency, when is that out. They have talked about this game for years.

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#35 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="Millennium_King"]Huxley is still in development. campbell1874

The 360 version has fallen into limbo, the devs stated it themselves.

That and the game looks mediocre - quite frankly.

I read on gamespot news recently that the publishers stated that the xbox 360 version will be out by the first half of next year.

They have put a lot of time into this game and i think it looks good.

It funny that when i mentioned this game a few month ago PS3 fanboy said this game wouldn't be good because it had to many people playing at the same time but when MAG was announced then suddenly it a great idea.

Yes Webzen said the game was delayed until 2009.

http://www.playfuls.com/news_12407_Webzen_delays_the_Xbox_360_version_of_Huxley_until_2009.html

And no the game looks like average, not to mention would play horribly on a console.

1. The game looks like a Quake clone, and plays like a quake clone - from the gameplay videos. Large player battles will be horrendus cluster****s.

2. Because of the games insane quake like speed, and wepon flicking it would be almost impossible to properly aim on an analouge nub.

3. We dont even know how the 360 version is going to be pulled off on such old and dated hardware - and remember this is on the Unreal 3 Engine - UT3 on 360 and Ps3 could only support 24 players or bots on the engine, wheras the PC version has up to 64.

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#36 lhughey
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Don't talk about technology if you have no clue about how it works. The CPU has absolutely nothing to do with performance in an MMO, and by thinking so you have proven that you are clueless when it comes to technology.bungie93

Thank you.

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Anyone noticed that Microsoft steered away from massive mulitplayer online games (MMOs)? They know that gamers paying monthly fees for MMOs will resent having to pay for LIVE as well. As such, in a field of delicious MMOs, Microsoft is basically letting Sony have all the foods.

Massive action games (MAGs) aren't being developed for the 360 perhaps because the 360's CPU is too weak to do it, or becasue LIVE's dependence on P2P servers make it impractical. Whatever the case, it looks like Sony will win the online games battle, especially with MMOs and MAGs.

nogginkl

Yeah.. Have you seen the technical specifications for the 360's Processor? It is a hybrid 3.8 GHz Quad Core. So the Processor is too weak? Also, if MS really wanted a game such as MAG then they would produce decicated servers.

Sorry..

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#38 darkenedsquire
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This is the most uninformed thread I've seen for a while A) the 360 has two MMORPGs phantasy star and final fantasy 11 B) you dont need gold to play them you can use a silver account so you don't have to "double subscribe".
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#39 darkenedsquire
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Also companys can use their own dedicated servers on live the battlefield games use EA servers for a start.
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#40 Vyse_The_Daring
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Well, pretty much every post has proven you wrong in this thread. It would seem you're the only one lacking common sense here.
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#41 readingfc_1
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Anyone noticed that Microsoft steered away from massive mulitplayer online games (MMOs)? They know that gamers paying monthly fees for MMOs will resent having to pay for LIVE as well. As such, in a field of delicious MMOs, Microsoft is basically letting Sony have all the foods.

Massive action games (MAGs) aren't being developed for the 360 perhaps because the 360's CPU is too weak to do it, or becasue LIVE's dependence on P2P servers make it impractical. Whatever the case, it looks like Sony will win the online games battle, especially with MMOs and MAGs.

nogginkl

But FF online was on 360. It was on the PS2 as well. So was Phantasy Star Online. The 360 can deffinitelly handle MMO's it's just whether they feel the console users would want to play them at this time.

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#42 dhjohns
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[QUOTE="adders99"]so what MMO's does the ps3 currently have?nogginkl

so what MMO's does the ps3 currently have?adders99

Coming soon: The Agency, Free Realms, and DC Universe. One can also add HOME and MAG.

So currently none and Home is not an MMO. This thread = fail.

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#43 SpruceCaboose
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Not trying to start a fight, and everyone should know I am no hermit, but if you really want MMO games, you really should be playing on a PC.
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#44 PC360Wii
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Console MMO's? Bwhahahaha. no thank you.
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#45 deactivated-6075a5c511e8b
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I don't pay MMO monthly fees so that solves it for me.
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#46 Senor_Kami
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Name me a PS3 mmo that you can play right now.

I can name two currently available and being played on 360: Phantasy Star Online and FFXI

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#47 fenwickhotmail
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ever notice that MMOs suck? I could care less, If I wanted to play an MMO I would play one on the PC :roll:Gator08

"couldn't care less" :roll:

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#48 dhjohns
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Not trying to start a fight, and everyone should know I am no hermit, but if you really want MMO games, you really should be playing on a PC.SpruceCaboose
Agreed. MMOs and consoles are not really a good match.
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#49 crunchUK
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hahaha how bovine can you get? :lol:. if you ask me sony is going with the MMO to make it sound more advanced, when in reality they lack games and MMOs tend to suck on consoles.
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#50 HuusAsking
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Anyone noticed that Microsoft steered away from massive mulitplayer online games (MMOs)? They know that gamers paying monthly fees for MMOs will resent having to pay for LIVE as well. As such, in a field of delicious MMOs, Microsoft is basically letting Sony have all the foods.

nogginkl
FTR, only a Live Silver account (which is free) is required to play MMOs.