Can the Cell Really Help out the RSX????

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#1 septicvirus
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Cows will claim that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360 because the Cell can help out the inferior RSX.  However, developers have claimed to hit a temorary wall...

Is this because they haven't figured out how to program the Cell to help out the RSX and act as more of a CPU/GPU?

Or is it already performing this function?

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#2 AfterShafter
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It had better, because right now the PS3 isn't performing as well graphically as $200 cheaper piece of hardware that is a year older.
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#3 Redfingers
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What developer? Give us a link on the "temporary wall" statement.

They have figured it out. There's a lot of material on that. It's currently being used to process graphics. 

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#4 Redfingers
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It had better, because right now the PS3 isn't performing as well graphically as $200 cheaper piece of hardware that is a year older.AfterShafter

It's performing substantially better. Take a look at the new stuff. 

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#5 septicvirus
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Right now I'm starting to think that no one in this forumreally knows the answer to this question.  They just use it as the foundation for the PS3's power.
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#6 AfterShafter
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[QUOTE="AfterShafter"]It had better, because right now the PS3 isn't performing as well graphically as $200 cheaper piece of hardware that is a year older.Redfingers

It's performing substantially better. Take a look at the new stuff. 



You mean the stuff that isn't out yet? :|
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[QUOTE="Redfingers"]

[QUOTE="AfterShafter"]It had better, because right now the PS3 isn't performing as well graphically as $200 cheaper piece of hardware that is a year older.AfterShafter

It's performing substantially better. Take a look at the new stuff. 



You mean the stuff that isn't out yet? :|

I know, right?  :lol:
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#8 Ontain
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if developers haven't shown us yet then no one on this forum will know.
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#9 septicvirus
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if developers haven't shown us yet then no one on this forum will know.Ontain

If that's the case, then why is EVERYONE so sure that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360?

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#11 BlueBarad
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It can't. They only added the RSX because they couldn't get the Cell to do GFX. They tried and tried but to no avail.
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#12 mmirza23
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[QUOTE="septicvirus"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]if developers haven't shown us yet then no one on this forum will know.AfterShafter

If that's the case, then why is EVERYONE so sure that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360?



Not everyone.  Just the nose breathing brandy loyalty mongoloids who spent $200 more for their precious and desperately want to justify their purchases.

The only reason it's 200 more is that it has a blu-ray drive and wifi built in, I dont see why anyone would need to justify purchasing it when they know what their getting with a PS3.
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#13 BlueBarad
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[QUOTE="Ontain"]if developers haven't shown us yet then no one on this forum will know.septicvirus

If that's the case, then why is EVERYONE so sure that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360?

Because it is. It can process a lot more. But the architeture of the hardware is flawed. Starting with divided RAM and so forth.  

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i think kuturagi himself gave the answer to why developers are having a hard time with the ps3.

"we never once called it a gaming machine"...

it wasn't designed as a gaming console... just an overpriced movie player...

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#15 mmirza23
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[QUOTE="septicvirus"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]if developers haven't shown us yet then no one on this forum will know.BlueBarad

If that's the case, then why is EVERYONE so sure that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360?

Because it is. It can process a lot more. But the architeture of the hardware is flawed. Starting with divided RAM and so forth.  

its more powerful ON PAPER, which means NOTHING! its all up to developers to know how to utilize that power, and sony didnt make it easier for them thats why we're seeing games that aren't mind blowing
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#16 legalize3
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the cell can outperform a geforce 7800

now link the cell with rsx and you have power

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#17 mmirza23
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i think kuturagi himself gave the answer to why developers are having a hard time with the ps3.

"we never once called it a gaming machine"...

it wasn't designed as a gaming console... just an overpriced movie player...

tango90101
actually up until recently it was the cheapest blu-ray player around...plus a gaming console I dont see how its overpriced..
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How is F1 CE using the RSX graphics processor? Do the Cell and RSX work together on any part of the graphics pipeline, and if so, which one?

The SPUs are heavily involved in the graphics pipeline and do an enormous amount of work to eliminate inefficiency before anything arrives at the PPU and RSX. For example, the SPUs are powerful enough to decompress and check every triangle [polygon] before passing it on to the RSX. Triangles that are facing away from the player, or that are not on the screen can be 'trimmed' away by the SPUs, which hugely reduces the amount of redundant work sent to the RSX. This in turn lets the RSX get on with what it does best--drawing stuff on screen.

The SPUs can also be used to augment the RSX vertex shaders, making far more vertex-heavy tasks possible which is very useful for character animation. Additionally, the SPUs can be used to implement behavior very similar to geometry shaders--F1 CE uses them in this way to render seamless interpolated levels of detail for some scene elements. So in answer to the question "Do the Cell and RSX work together?" the answer is a resounding "Yes," and I think this is one of the real strengths of Playstation 3 that we'll see increasingly exploited by development teams going forward.

http://ncroal.talk.newsweek.com/default.asp?item=486210

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#19 septicvirus
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[QUOTE="septicvirus"]

[QUOTE="Ontain"]if developers haven't shown us yet then no one on this forum will know.AfterShafter

If that's the case, then why is EVERYONE so sure that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360?



Not everyone.  Just the nose breathing brandy loyalty mongoloids who spent $200 more for their precious and desperately want to justify their purchases.

That's not true.  Whenever the PS3 is stated to be more powerful than the 360, NO ONE DISPUTES IT - as if it were fact.

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#20 deactivated-61ff675e61178
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Ninja Theory said that they have HDR emulated on the Cell in Heavenly Sword.  Is that proof enough?
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#21 AfterShafter
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That's not true.  Whenever the PS3 is stated to be more powerful than the 360, NO ONE DISPUTES IT - as if it were fact.septicvirus


Almost no-one feels they have to any more.  A) The Cell/RSX combo looks good on paper...  B) The PS3 has yet to put out anything that ACTUALLY looks/plays as good as what the 360 has, C) PS3 fanboys never learn.  Why argue with a brick wall that can't admit what's staring them right in the face - that the 360 IS outperforming the PS3, whatever undelievered upon promises Sony made to their fans.
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#22 septicvirus
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[QUOTE="septicvirus"]That's not true.  Whenever the PS3 is stated to be more powerful than the 360, NO ONE DISPUTES IT - as if it were fact.AfterShafter


Almost no-one feels they have to any more.  A) The Cell/RSX combo looks good on paper...  B) The PS3 has yet to put out anything that ACTUALLY looks/plays as good as what the 360 has, C) PS3 fanboys never learn.  Why argue with a brick wall that can't admit what's staring them right in the face - that the 360 IS outperforming the PS3, whatever undelievered upon promises Sony made to their fans.

But what about the potential?

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#23 retrib
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Thank you aftershafter, for turning this into a flamewar.
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#24 legalize3
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[QUOTE="AfterShafter"][QUOTE="septicvirus"]That's not true.  Whenever the PS3 is stated to be more powerful than the 360, NO ONE DISPUTES IT - as if it were fact.septicvirus



Almost no-one feels they have to any more.  A) The Cell/RSX combo looks good on paper...  B) The PS3 has yet to put out anything that ACTUALLY looks/plays as good as what the 360 has, C) PS3 fanboys never learn.  Why argue with a brick wall that can't admit what's staring them right in the face - that the 360 IS outperforming the PS3, whatever undelievered upon promises Sony made to their fans.

But what about the potential?

killzone im telling you KILLZONE

wait 1 month and you will see i know what im talking about

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#26 AfterShafter
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Thank you aftershafter, for turning this into a flamewar.retrib


Ask yourself this:  What kind of a drug induced state would I have to be to make a thread about the Cell and the RSX in Systems Wars and expect it to turn into anything but a flame war?
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#27 mmirza23
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[QUOTE="retrib"]Thank you aftershafter, for turning this into a flamewar.AfterShafter


Ask yourself this:  What kind of a drug induced state would I have to be to make a thread about the Cell and the RSX in Systems Wars and expect it to turn into anything but a flame war?

LOL so true!
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#28 retrib
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[QUOTE="retrib"]Thank you aftershafter, for turning this into a flamewar.AfterShafter


Ask yourself this: What kind of a drug induced state would I have to be to make a thread about the Cell and the RSX in Systems Wars and expect it to turn into anything but a flame war?

Because every thread here is a flamewar? I don't think so, someone has to start it, and you just did. You don't have to be in a drug induced state to expect a message from the mods. 

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#29 -MoOkS-
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yes it helps it, i can remember reading somewhere that a game was using the cell to do the lighting n and physics on and spe while the rsx handled the rest ( its either lair heavenly sword or uncharted)
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#30 lhughey
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the cell can outperform a geforce 7800

now link the cell with rsx and you have power

legalize3

In what?  CPUs and GPUs perform very different task

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#31 legalize3
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[QUOTE="legalize3"]

the cell can outperform a geforce 7800

now link the cell with rsx and you have power

lhughey

In what?  CPUs and GPUs perform very different task

graphics