Borderlands 2; screentearing in abundance and performance issues...

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#151 EliteM0nk3y
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Unless this is a developer's first time developing for the PS3, this shouldn't happen. The PS3 has been out for nearly 6 years now, a developer such as Gearbox should be more than able to make a game play well on the PS3, even with the Unreal Engine.
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#152 finalfantasy94
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i can never take these comperisions seriously untill I play them. Since there have been enough times when people do this and I just dont see what htey see.

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#153 lowe0
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[QUOTE="Lems_R_Tools"]i love how Cows pretend not to care about this stuff. you know deep down its killing them they have to constantly play inferior Versions of games because they are to Cheap/Poor to afford XBL or a gaming PC, so they have no choice but to play it on PSN because the Multiplayer is free.

Oh come on. Do you have any evidence correlating choice of console to financial status?
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#154 kozzy1234
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Game is amazing on PC, with all multiplat games had versions on PC like Sleeping Dogs and BL2 got!

Run well, tons of pc features, looks good,etc..

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#155 ispeakfact
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Experts, lol.

Stevo_the_gamer

Yep, experts. Professionals. You know, folks that do professional video/programming for a living? Unlike you, which... um... just plays games. Have you ever created a texture before, how about a mesh? Every dabbled in Blender? What about script making? Little forum peon thinks he knows things. Ha! Now that's some funnies.

Edit: Ironically, the only poster at Gamespot that can talk tech sh*t and get away with is Teuf.

10 years Lightwave3D professional here. The company recently switched to Cinema4D so having to learn. But yep...modeling, texturing, rigging, lighting, animating...ive done it all for over a decade. :)
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#156 campzor
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were these problems in the first borderlands as well? If so...i didnt notice and i probably wont notice with bl2 either
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#157 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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I think even the cows know the PS3 has inferior multiplats. Still getting this on PS3 because my friend is getting it on that platform. The surprising amount of damage control from the cows is funny though.

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#158 super600  Moderator
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I wonder what's better, having no games, or having a ton of games where a few of the multiplats have very slight graphical issues. Hmmm.

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Framerate issues are not slight if they ruin your enjoyment of a game.

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#159 AmayaPapaya
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The game works fine on my PS3. Small performance issues like described, in the end, don't matter and don't affect the experience. To compare it to Skyrim is absolutely LOL worthy. Skyrim became literally unplayable on the PS3 and can't even support DLC.

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#160 Newhopes
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Been playing it on the PS3 and the only thing I've noticed is some texture pop in on things like ammo and guns when you open containers, other than that haven't had any problems.

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#161 TopTierHustler
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I wonder what's better, having no games, or having a ton of games where a few of the multiplats have very slight graphical issues. Hmmm.

Eddie-Vedder

U cows are so silly, 360 has more exclusives.

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#162 Led_poison
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Why are shadows always so bad.
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#163 ArisShadows
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Good, I have it for the 360, due to friends.
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#164 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Experts, lol.

ispeakfact

Yep, experts. Professionals. You know, folks that do professional video/programming for a living? Unlike you, which... um... just plays games. Have you ever created a texture before, how about a mesh? Every dabbled in Blender? What about script making? Little forum peon thinks he knows things. Ha! Now that's some funnies.

Edit: Ironically, the only poster at Gamespot that can talk tech sh*t and get away with is Teuf.

10 years Lightwave3D professional here. The company recently switched to Cinema4D so having to learn. But yep...modeling, texturing, rigging, lighting, animating...ive done it all for over a decade. :)

:lol:
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#165 freedomfreak
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Good, I have it for the 360, due to friends.ArisShadows
Y u no have me on friends list?
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#166 clyde46
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[QUOTE="ispeakfact"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] Yep, experts. Professionals. You know, folks that do professional video/programming for a living? Unlike you, which... um... just plays games. Have you ever created a texture before, how about a mesh? Every dabbled in Blender? What about script making? Little forum peon thinks he knows things. Ha! Now that's some funnies.

Edit: Ironically, the only poster at Gamespot that can talk tech sh*t and get away with is Teuf.

Stevo_the_gamer
10 years Lightwave3D professional here. The company recently switched to Cinema4D so having to learn. But yep...modeling, texturing, rigging, lighting, animating...ive done it all for over a decade. :)

:lol:

For some reason, I dont really think he's telling the truth. :P
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#167 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

360 version looks a little cleaner to me, noticed some pop-in on the PS3 version.

PC version probably looks the crispest, but invariably will have problems on some systems, as well as weaker matchmaking and community for co-op.

clyde46

Weaker? The dam thing doesn't even work. Every other game I own works in multiplayer with my router, be it on 360 or on my PC yet BL2 refuses to connect to friends games.

Borderlands had the same problem. I had to go and forward a bunch of ports to get it to work with the first Borderlands.

They have seriously bad network code.

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#168 clyde46
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

360 version looks a little cleaner to me, noticed some pop-in on the PS3 version.

PC version probably looks the crispest, but invariably will have problems on some systems, as well as weaker matchmaking and community for co-op.

DragonfireXZ95

Weaker? The dam thing doesn't even work. Every other game I own works in multiplayer with my router, be it on 360 or on my PC yet BL2 refuses to connect to friends games.

Borderlands had the same problem. I had to go and forward a bunch of ports to get it to work with the first Borderlands.

They have seriously bad network code.

I think this time the problem lies with Steamworks, on the Gearbox forum there is a massive thread about the connection issues. Even after forwarding ports they still can't connect. Some people reckon the problem is with the current version on steam being borked or something. All this after saying that BL2 wouldn't need port forwarding for multiplayer.
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#169 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Weaker? The dam thing doesn't even work. Every other game I own works in multiplayer with my router, be it on 360 or on my PC yet BL2 refuses to connect to friends games.clyde46

Borderlands had the same problem. I had to go and forward a bunch of ports to get it to work with the first Borderlands.

They have seriously bad network code.

I think this time the problem lies with Steamworks, on the Gearbox forum there is a massive thread about the connection issues. Even after forwarding ports they still can't connect. Some people reckon the problem is with the current version on steam being borked or something. All this after saying that BL2 wouldn't need port forwarding for multiplayer.

Not sure, but I'm sure it'll be fixed in a week or so. They usually get that stuff going fairly quickly.
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#170 clyde46
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

Borderlands had the same problem. I had to go and forward a bunch of ports to get it to work with the first Borderlands.

They have seriously bad network code.

DragonfireXZ95
I think this time the problem lies with Steamworks, on the Gearbox forum there is a massive thread about the connection issues. Even after forwarding ports they still can't connect. Some people reckon the problem is with the current version on steam being borked or something. All this after saying that BL2 wouldn't need port forwarding for multiplayer.

Not sure, but I'm sure it'll be fixed in a week or so. They usually get that stuff going fairly quickly.

Hopefully, I bought this game for co-op. someone needs to give the Steam monkey some coffee to make him hurry up and fix this crap.
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#172 GamerwillzPS
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Nothing surprising there. The PS3 is constantly getting the shaft, but it was down to the developers.

The game could have been superior on PS3 if they spent a lengthy amount of time on polishing. Instead, they are too lazy to spend more time with the PS3 and just released it for a quick buck.

Other multiplats which are superior on PS3 proved it all really.

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#173 ronvalencia
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... on the PS3 version. Thankfully, the PC version holds up beautifully and the Xbox 360 version stands relatively well to boot.

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"It's often to state the obvious that the PC version is the one to vouch for, but in this case it's worth putting a special word in."

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"Tearing is in abundance on PS3 during battle, though they're both liable to drop v-sync when under strain from smoke and fire effects in particular. Moreover, frame-rate drops are more regular and sustained on Sony's console than they are on the 360 version - we see hitches down to 20FPS while running through the Sanctuary hub-town, while the latter version gets away in holding out at the target 30."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-borderlands-2-face-off

Stevo_the_gamer

There's a reason why the GPU industry headed towards unified shaders, not towards PS3's processing model.

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#174 MakeMeaSammitch
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The PS3 is the weaker system.

95% of problems occur on it....

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#175 MakeMeaSammitch
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Nothing surprising there. The PS3 is constantly getting the shaft, but it was down to the developers.

The game could have been superior on PS3 if they spent a lengthy amount of time on polishing. Instead, they are too lazy to spend more time with the PS3 and just released it for a quick buck.

Other multiplats which are superior on PS3 proved it all really.

GamerwillzPS

lol. Like skyrim?

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#176 kozzy1234
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I was just about to come in here and say "hey its running pretty well for me on an older PC".

Then I came into the thread and saw "ON PS3" :P
Well played Steveo

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#177 Jankarcop
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lemmons/cowz battling over 2nd place as usual

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#180 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="Wiiyou"]

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="Wiiyou"]

To bad this not come to WiiU, 1080p/60 fps :cry:

1080p and 60fps? Keep dreaming bro. Even at console settings that wouldn't be possible. And the PC version maxed out with physx also maxed, requires a good dual gpu rig to have an acceptable framerate. LMAO

Consoles maybe not even have physX?

So you mean a cartoon-shooter require more than Call of duty?

Consoles has PhysX middleware running on PPE X3 with VMX128 support and CELL.
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#181 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"][QUOTE="ionusX"] a typical response from a cow.. cant fight back logically so he reverts to accusing someone of jelly :cool:

i guess ps3 folks really are like cows.. you try and talk to them and all that comes out is a low toned moo rather than something comprehendable.

id also like to point out that if you bought a multi-plat fps on a console.. your doing it wrong :cool: simply put.. controllers suck at shooters.. tps or fps

ionusX

I like eating trolls.  I bust on PS3, Xbox and Wii... I'm not either or.

truth does hurt indeed

hardreset_5760_1080.gif

outscored by a hd 7770.. TTHBO :lol: dat framerate...0.0

Anyway,

nv_the_way_primary_h_3d.jpg

NVIDIA Driver problems for NVIDIA's "The Way It's Meant To Be Played" game is LOL.

NVIDIA's "The Way It's Meant To Be Played" at 0 fps . LOL. According to NVIDIA's list page, Hard Reset's devs has a close relationship with NVIDIA. http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-games.html

NVIDIA makes the most of its The Way It's Meant to be Played program and close relationships with game developers to provide an amazing 3D gaming experience.

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#182 ronvalencia
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Obviously Gearbox is just incompetent, and their engine sucks. Duh.Stevo_the_gamer
Obviously Gearbox's Borderlands 2's 3D engine was licensed from EPIC.
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#183 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"][QUOTE="Promised_Trini"]

That happens in all Versions of the game little one.

No duh... But with a GTX 690... come the hell on... Console port FTL!

wait people buy dual gpu's forplaying UNREAL ENGINE GAMES.. omg.. ahahahahah /deskpound omg ahahahahaah you gotta be kidding me.. i mean you would need to be some kind of ignorant bovine to think of doing something so stupid

i would also like to point out that unreal engine is an amd favored engine. if you has a 690 expect lousy game support and even worse since its a dual-gpu.

would you like me to show you the bioshock benchmarks?? where teh hd 5770 whooped the gtx 480's monkey ass (when it was oc'd)

690 could be running other games besides Borderlands 2...
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#184 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

No duh... But with a GTX 690... come the hell on... Console port FTL!Truth_Hurts_U
wait people buy dual gpu's forplaying UNREAL ENGINE GAMES.. omg.. ahahahahah /deskpound omg ahahahahaah you gotta be kidding me.. i mean you would need to be some kind of ignorant bovine to think of doing something so stupid

i would also like to point out that unreal engine is an amd favored engine. if you has a 690 expect lousy game support and even worse since its a dual-gpu.

would you like me to show you the bioshock benchmarks?? where teh hd 5770 whooped the gtx 480's monkey ass (when it was oc'd)

But doesn't Borderlands (1 and 2) favour nvidia cards? Let's not forget we're talking about a heavily modified version of unreal engine 3. It's included with the 660ti and supports physx!! Are you dense?

Like I said before the physx is borderlands 2 is very heavy and only a SLI setup or a card like the 690 can handle it.

Unreal Engine 3 has supported CUDA PhysX since Unreal Tournament 3 e.g. on certain maps, I played it on my ASUS G1S (Geforce 8600M GT) laptop with CUDA PhysX.
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#185 Borderlands666
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Ive had the PS3 version since day one, I really dont even notice the issues, I noticed some tearing at release but nothing terrible, obviously they have patched it since then, but its a great game. As far as people saying Gearbox is bad or Lazy....LOLOLOL. I did see one post mentioning Bethesda being a good dev....I can see the smart ass comparison your trying to make and honestly your an idiot. Bethesda has PUBLICLY ADMITTED that Skyrim issues on PS3 are their fault because they never bother to fully learn the systems processors. Bethesda is a joke, and that game was super buggy on every platform day 1.

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#186 MK-Professor
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... on the PS3 version. Thankfully, the PC version holds up beautifully and the Xbox 360 version stands relatively well to boot.

Stevo_the_gamer

360 version stands relatively well? to pc? LOL?

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#187 aaronone
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I never noticed any issues with my PS3 copy. That doesn't mean there isn't any I just never really noticed
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#188 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

... on the PS3 version. Thankfully, the PC version holds up beautifully and the Xbox 360 version stands relatively well to boot.

MK-Professor

360 version stands relatively well? to pc? LOL?

Yes.
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#189 MK-Professor
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[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

... on the PS3 version. Thankfully, the PC version holds up beautifully and the Xbox 360 version stands relatively well to boot.

Stevo_the_gamer

360 version stands relatively well? to pc? LOL?

Yes.

so playing borderlands2 on my pc like that 2560x1440 60fps, max settings, large fov, k/m, etc is the same like the xbox version with 1280x720, 30fps, low settings, small fov, controller :?

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

360 version stands relatively well? to pc? LOL?

MK-Professor

Yes.

so playing borderlands2 on my pc like that 2560x1440 60fps, max settings, large fov, k/m, etc is the same like the xbox version with 1280x720, 30fps, low settings, small fov, controller :?

Inb4 lowe0

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#191 lowe0
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[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Yes.Riadon2

so playing borderlands2 on my pc like that 2560x1440 60fps, max settings, large fov, k/m, etc is the same like the xbox version with 1280x720, 30fps, low settings, small fov, controller :?

Inb4 lowe0

Who exactly makes these threads about me, again? Anyway, for Borderlands in specific, I'm playing it on both 360 and PC. Aside from triple monitor, I really don't feel like I'm missing anything on 360; I have the same amount of fun. (Before someone asks, I have friends who play co-op on 360, and got the PC version in a 4 pack as part of selling some old hardware.)
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#192 The_Game21x
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Nothing surprising there. The PS3 is constantly getting the shaft, but it was down to the developers.

The game could have been superior on PS3 if they spent a lengthy amount of time on polishing. Instead, they are too lazy to spend more time with the PS3 and just released it for a quick buck.

Other multiplats which are superior on PS3 proved it all really.

GamerwillzPS

So...because a small handful of multiplats on the PS3 are superior to their 360 counterparts...all of them could've been?

Gotta love that logic.

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#193 _SWAG_
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.whatev they just some lazyass devs besides the Xbox will never have a perfect ten exclusive like the ps3 period
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#194 clyde46
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.whatev they just some lazyass devs besides the Xbox will never have a perfect ten exclusive like the ps3 period_SWAG_
Out come the lazy devs comments.
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#195 MK-Professor
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[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

so playing borderlands2 on my pc like that 2560x1440 60fps, max settings, large fov, k/m, etc is the same like the xbox version with 1280x720, 30fps, low settings, small fov, controller :?

lowe0

Inb4 lowe0

Who exactly makes these threads about me, again? Anyway, for Borderlands in specific, I'm playing it on both 360 and PC. Aside from triple monitor, I really don't feel like I'm missing anything on 360; I have the same amount of fun. (Before someone asks, I have friends who play co-op on 360, and got the PC version in a 4 pack as part of selling some old hardware.)

yes yes i agree aside from 4 times smaller rez, half the fps, low settings, super small fov, inacurest control scheme, it ispretty much the same experience. LOL lowe0 :lol::lol::lol:

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#196 lowe0
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Riadon2"]

Inb4 lowe0

MK-Professor

Who exactly makes these threads about me, again? Anyway, for Borderlands in specific, I'm playing it on both 360 and PC. Aside from triple monitor, I really don't feel like I'm missing anything on 360; I have the same amount of fun. (Before someone asks, I have friends who play co-op on 360, and got the PC version in a 4 pack as part of selling some old hardware.)

yes yes i agree aside from 4 times smaller rez, half the fps, low settings, super small fov, inacurest control scheme, it ispretty much the same experience. LOL lowe0 :lol::lol::lol:

It's my honest assessment having played both. Everyone places different emphasis on different components of the total value proposition, including in part those you listed.
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#197 GamerwillzPS
Member since 2012 • 8531 Posts

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Nothing surprising there. The PS3 is constantly getting the shaft, but it was down to the developers.

The game could have been superior on PS3 if they spent a lengthy amount of time on polishing. Instead, they are too lazy to spend more time with the PS3 and just released it for a quick buck.

Other multiplats which are superior on PS3 proved it all really.

The_Game21x

So...because a small handful of multiplats on the PS3 are superior to their 360 counterparts...all of them could've been?

Gotta love that logic.

That doesn't make sense.

Fanboyish is getting to you, bro.

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#198 King_Dodongo
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It's a becoming a norm, except when talking about Konami (SH "collection").
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#199 MK-Professor
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[QUOTE="lowe0"] Who exactly makes these threads about me, again? Anyway, for Borderlands in specific, I'm playing it on both 360 and PC. Aside from triple monitor, I really don't feel like I'm missing anything on 360; I have the same amount of fun. (Before someone asks, I have friends who play co-op on 360, and got the PC version in a 4 pack as part of selling some old hardware.)lowe0

yes yes i agree aside from 4 times smaller rez, half the fps, low settings, super small fov, inacurest control scheme, it ispretty much the same experience. LOL lowe0 :lol::lol::lol:

It's my honest assessment having played both. Everyone places different emphasis on different components of the total value proposition, including in part those you listed.

The xbox version of Borderlands 2 have inferior graphics and gamplay compared to pc version, so nothing is better on xbox version.

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#200 clyde46
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

yes yes i agree aside from 4 times smaller rez, half the fps, low settings, super small fov, inacurest control scheme, it ispretty much the same experience. LOL lowe0 :lol::lol::lol:

MK-Professor

It's my honest assessment having played both. Everyone places different emphasis on different components of the total value proposition, including in part those you listed.

The xbox version of Borderlands 2 have inferior graphics and gamplay compared to pc version, so nothing is better on xbox version.

Maybe his friends play on 360? That was a reason for me at one point when I played on my 360.