Bayonetta 2 dev: Working with Nintendo is unnerving

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#1 BlaveBrave
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Just thought this was interesting. Sorry if old.

Working with Nintendo, one thing that comes out of that is that were not able to cover up weaknesses in the core gameplay by making the graphics prettier or adding cutscenes, or whatever.

The concern, first and foremost, is the core of the game and the quality of the gameplay. They really have our back in that sense. And thats actually a little bit unnerving, working with people who are such perfectionists in that sense

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Here is link:

http://www.worldsfactory.net/2013/08/07/bayonetta-2-dev-working-with-nintendo-is-unnerving

Been a while since I actually made a thread >.>

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#2 Nengo_Flow
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I wonder what they'll say when their game only sells 18k ?
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#3 GD1551
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lol you mean you weren't given a budget to make cutscenes or better graphics.

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#4 Trail_Mix
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were not able to cover up weaknesses in the core gameplay by making the graphics prettier or adding cutscenes, or whatever.

It's funny how they just outright admit it.

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#5 BlaveBrave
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I wonder what they'll say when their game only sells 18k ?Nengo_Flow

Nah since there are so few games on Wii U. They will sell more :P

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#6 Bread_or_Decide
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Nintendo does have some of the best technical game design in the business. All these years later and nobody jumps as perfectly as Mario does, in both 2D and 3D.
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#7 freedomfreak
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Understandable. Nintendo aren't exactly amateurs when it comes to game design.
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#8 Bread_or_Decide
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Understandable. Nintendo aren't exactly amateurs when it comes to game design.freedomfreak
Although they could learn a thing or two from everything else Bayonetta does.
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#9 omho88
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I feel sorry for them, they chose the worst console possible.

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#10 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Understandable. Nintendo aren't exactly amateurs when it comes to game design.Bread_or_Decide
Although they could learn a thing or two from everything else Bayonetta does.

Well, yeah, there's always room to learn. Not saying they're perfect or aren't up for improvement in some areas, but I can understand the weight it might put on your shoulders when Nintendo is looking down on you.
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#11 freedomfreak
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I feel sorry for them, they chose the worst console possible.

omho88
They didn't choose a thing. Nintendo picked them up because nobody else wanted to.
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#12 Sweenix
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I feel sorry for them, they chose the worst console possible.

omho88

Hardware wise, no

Sales wise, yes

 

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#13 Michael0134567
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Nintendo, the gameplay king.

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#14 Supabul
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Bayonetta's going to be sweet, after that Nintendo should get them working on Metroid

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#15 GD1551
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were not able to cover up weaknesses in the core gameplay by making the graphics prettier or adding cutscenes, or whatever.Trail_Mix

It's funny how they just outright admit it.

PG has never done that, so I don't see why they would now.

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#16 BlaveBrave
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Bayonetta's going to be sweet, after that Nintendo should get them working on Metroid

Supabul

I would rather them work on Starfox :D

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#17 funsohng
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Playing Bayo 1 right now. Decided to buy Wii U because of this game.
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#18 Bread_or_Decide
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Bayonetta's going to be sweet, after that Nintendo should get them working on Metroid

Supabul
Great company...makes original games...okay time to throw them an old nintendo IP. UGH...no.
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#19 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="funsohng"]Playing Bayo 1 right now. Decided to buy Wii U because of this game.

About damn time.
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#20 BlaveBrave
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[QUOTE="Supabul"]

Bayonetta's going to be sweet, after that Nintendo should get them working on Metroid

Bread_or_Decide

Great company...makes original games...okay time to throw them an old nintendo IP. UGH...no.

Point taken, but damn I want another Starfox

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#21 Jack-Burton
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 Game looks great, prospect of buying a Wii U to play it doesn't
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#22 Trail_Mix
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[QUOTE="Trail_Mix"]

were not able to cover up weaknesses in the core gameplay by making the graphics prettier or adding cutscenes, or whatever.GD1551

It's funny how they just outright admit it.

PG has never done that, so I don't see why they would now.

I'm not necessarily calling them out on it personally. It's just funny to me how any developer would acknowledge this practice exists at all. Usually they all like to keep it on the down-low, ya know what I'm sayin'?
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#23 Bigboi500
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Crack that whip, Nintendo.

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#24 funsohng
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="funsohng"]Playing Bayo 1 right now. Decided to buy Wii U because of this game.

About damn time.

Sorry, was busy with other things >.> I suck at this game though.
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#25 silversix_
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Game comes out, sells under 30k, they rage quit Nintendo talking crap about how bs they're, Bayo2 comes on all current gen consoles in 6 months.
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#26 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="funsohng"]Playing Bayo 1 right now. Decided to buy Wii U because of this game.

About damn time.

Sorry, was busy with other things >.> I suck at this game though.

How? It's one of the easiest HnS games I've played :o
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#27 foxhound_fox
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Wow, talk about misleading title (the word "unnerving" could be taken many ways). Good to hear. Hopefully they enjoy their experience with Nintendo and we can get Vanquish 2 and Shadows of the Damned 2 as well.
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#28 parkurtommo
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What the f*ck is that source? It's a fake/satire article, a developer (especially of Bayonetta) would never say something like "were (we're????) not able to cover up weaknesses in the core gameplay by making the graphics prettier or adding cutscenes, or whatever"

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#29 funsohng
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"] About damn time.

Sorry, was busy with other things >.> I suck at this game though.

How? It's one of the easiest HnS games I've played :o

I died so many times in chapter 5..... On normal too.
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#30 Supabul
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[QUOTE="Supabul"]

Bayonetta's going to be sweet, after that Nintendo should get them working on Metroid

Bread_or_Decide

Great company...makes original games...okay time to throw them an old nintendo IP. UGH...no.

Yeah your probably right but it would be good to see them do Metroid

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#31 freedomfreak
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I died so many times in chapter 5..... On normal too.funsohng
Not much I can say except suck less. But you'll become better at it.
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#32 Pikminmaniac
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So Nintendo is making sure they focus on what matters and they're greatful for that... That's pretty cool.

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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Understandable. Nintendo aren't exactly amateurs when it comes to game design.Bread_or_Decide
Although they could learn a thing or two from everything else Bayonetta does.

Hmm Princess Peach in a skin tight body suit, sure, why not.
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#34 Demonjoe93
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I feel sorry for them, they chose the worst console possible.

omho88

You shouldn't because this game would never have happened anywhere else; it was going to be cancelled.

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#35 drinkerofjuice
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Nice to know Nintendo is seemingly overseeing the project with care. Gotta love that reassurance.
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#36 funsohng
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[QUOTE="funsohng"]I died so many times in chapter 5..... On normal too.freedomfreak
Not much I can say except suck less. But you'll become better at it.

Dont have time to practice.... Also, installed 360 version loads so fast that I don't have time to practice combos during loading. Is there like a training mode I can do something like that?
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#37 Gargus
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Nintendo does have some of the best technical game design in the business. All these years later and nobody jumps as perfectly as Mario does, in both 2D and 3D.Bread_or_Decide

I guess thats like going to a terrible restaraunt with bad service, bad food that gives you the shits, high prices and dirty floors but leaving and saying "Well, that light fixture in the bathroom sure was pretty"

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#38 BlaveBrave
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What the f*ck is that source? It's a fake/satire article, a developer (especially of Bayonetta) would never say something like "were (we're????) not able to cover up weaknesses in the core gameplay by making the graphics prettier or adding cutscenes, or whatever"

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#39 chapnzaba
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. This game will bomb. Hard. And that sucks.
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Nintendo does have some of the best technical game design in the business. All these years later and nobody jumps as perfectly as Mario does, in both 2D and 3D.Gargus

I guess thats like going to a terrible restaraunt with bad service, bad food that gives you the shits, high prices and dirty floors but leaving and saying "Well, that light fixture in the bathroom sure was pretty"

Horrible analogy. Jumping is the core of the experience, which means you should be comparing it to the food.

Also, Mario is at the very least a mediocre franchise restaurant, like Applebee's or Shenanigans.

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This game looks spectacular. I hope Nintendo keeps making deals with Platinum Games.
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#43 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="funsohng"]I died so many times in chapter 5..... On normal too.funsohng
Not much I can say except suck less. But you'll become better at it.

Dont have time to practice.... Also, installed 360 version loads so fast that I don't have time to practice combos during loading. Is there like a training mode I can do something like that?

Yeah, I believe you can press the back or start button during the loading screen. That keeps you into practice mode.
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[QUOTE="Supabul"]

Bayonetta's going to be sweet, after that Nintendo should get them working on Metroid

BlaveBrave

I would rather them work on Starfox :D

I would prefer them working on Riddle of Murasame Castle Kamiya wanted to work on both that or Star Fox.

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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Nintendo does have some of the best technical game design in the business. All these years later and nobody jumps as perfectly as Mario does, in both 2D and 3D.Gargus

I guess thats like going to a terrible restaraunt with bad service, bad food that gives you the shits, high prices and dirty floors but leaving and saying "Well, that light fixture in the bathroom sure was pretty"

That analogy is not apt. It's like going to a really ugly bar but they make the best mixed drinks in town.
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#46 funsohng
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"] Not much I can say except suck less. But you'll become better at it.

Dont have time to practice.... Also, installed 360 version loads so fast that I don't have time to practice combos during loading. Is there like a training mode I can do something like that?

Yeah, I believe you can press the back or start button during the loading screen. That keeps you into practice mode.

I see thanks
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#47 TheKingIAm
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Nintendo will ruin the game with their crappy wii u
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#48 deactivated-5d7fb49ded561
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I wonder what they'll say when their game only sells 18k ?Nengo_Flow

LOL

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#49 dobzilian
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The only games i'm interested in are PG on the WiiU.
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#50 Sparky04
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Does anyone else think Bayonetta 2 will be great but just won't sell at all on the Wii-U? I'm betting it financially doesn't pan out and hopefully gets ported to some other systems under a different publisher.