Are we gonna ignore the fact that Microsoft destroyed Arkane?

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#1 hardwenzen
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No, no we aren't. The day they were acquired by Microsoft, just like RARE, they died. Now, they announce Blade, a second vampire game in a row, when the first one bomb HARD. Why? To recycle Redfall assets😂

Don't be too surprised to see Arkane in charge of making nothing but mtx items for Halo Infinite after Blade bombs. This is just sad, real sad.

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Feel like this game should’ve been first person.

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Good point.

Wolverine>Blade

CONFIRMED

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#6 Nonstop-Madness  Online
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The deal was done before the Microsoft takeover.

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Either way, it's a lot safer to spend all that time and money on a known IP.

Dishonered and, Deathloop were new IPs and, very well received and, yet they didn't sell that well.

A successful Blade game will give them a *lot* of runway for newer games.

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#7 Pedro
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@Nonstop-Madness said:

The deal was done before the Microsoft takeover.

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Either way, it's a lot safer to spend all that time and money on a known IP.

Dishonered and, Deathloop were new IPs and, very well received and, yet they didn't sell that well.

A successful Blade game will give them a *lot* of runway for newer games.

Very unfortunate.

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Oh they did now did they? 🤔

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@SolidGame_basic said:

Feel like this game should’ve been first person.

Marvel games have never been FPS. They have always remained 3rd-person action experience.

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Oh they did now did they? 🤔

They closed all the studios but allowed them to continue work as usual. That is my guess.😂

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@Nonstop-Madness: I don't know if Blade is a safe bet. Other than Spiderman, recent Marvel games haven't done all that great.

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@Pedro: Well that certainly seems like the only logical conclusion that one could come to. 😅

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#13  Edited By TheEroica  Moderator
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Keep reaching friends! I know you'll make something out of these theories... Lol

It's funny that arkane goes to make a killer sp game after redfall and now it's all wrong! Lol. Fanboys can't keep it together for even a moment.😂

You guys should just get an Xbox then you don't have to lose sleep anymore knowing youre missing out on Starfield and arkane etc...

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#14 regnaston
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It is all about TRAVERSAL

I think the thing that makes Spiderman enjoyable is the traversal. He can't fly but his swinging makes it seem different but still grounded to the earth.


Blade and Wolverine while good characters do not (to me) have what it takes to be good standalone characters, and this is due to how they are stuck on the ground (run here, walk there, get in a jet and fly somewhere, jump a little higher).

Superman would be too powerful for a good video game and his ability to fly removes all groundedness . Batman was great because of the gadgets, it made his traversal fun but still grounded.

IMO a Hulk game where he cant jump 1000's of miles would be far better

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Man this clown really is upset that Elden Ring DLC wasn't shown and that Lords of the Fallen was a horse shit type of game that was nowhere near as well received as Lies of P

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#16  Edited By pyro1245
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Arkane Lyon and Arkane Austin are effectively two seperate devs (I think they both worked on Dishonored). At least according to interviews from severl years ago. Blade is Lyon.

Arkane Austin delivered a great game with Prey and then a shite game. What are they doing next, I wonder? I wish they would just give up on Redfall and move on.

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@TheEroica said:

Keep reaching friends! I know you'll make something out of these theories... Lol

It's funny that arkane goes to make a killer sp game after redfall and now it's all wrong! Lol. Fanboys can't keep it together for even a moment.😂

You guys should just get an Xbox then you don't have to lose sleep anymore knowing youre missing out on Starfield and arkane etc...

Nah. Theres nothing worth buying an Xbox for. Certainly not a game from the flop studio Arkane that recently released a 4/10 game lmao

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@TheEroica: You got one all fired up.😂

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That’s some serious reaching my friend:)

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#20 dabear
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The last game Arkane Lyon made was Deathloop.

Arkane Austin made Redfall.

Keep crying.

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#21 hardwenzen
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@dabear said:

The last game Arkane Lyon made was Deathloop.

Arkane Austin made Redfall.

Keep crying.

Redfall epic failed, and they're creating a second vampire focused game in a row to recycle assets of what was supposed to be added in Redfall dlc's. This is your next game.

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@hardwenzen said:
@dabear said:

The last game Arkane Lyon made was Deathloop.

Arkane Austin made Redfall.

Keep crying.

Redfall epic failed, and they're creating a second vampire focused game in a row to recycle assets of what was supposed to be added in Redfall dlc's. This is your next game.

I agree with you - Redfall was a disaster and it should never have happened.

But, that doesn't change the fact that the studio that did Redfall is not the studio that is doing Blade.

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@hardwenzen said:
@dabear said:

The last game Arkane Lyon made was Deathloop.

Arkane Austin made Redfall.

Keep crying.

Redfall epic failed, and they're creating a second vampire focused game in a row to recycle assets of what was supposed to be added in Redfall dlc's. This is your next game.

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Its a Marvel IP, so I'm always rooting for a good game. We'll see. I have more faith in Insomniac and Wolverine right now though.

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#25 hardwenzen
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@dabear said:
@hardwenzen said:
@dabear said:

The last game Arkane Lyon made was Deathloop.

Arkane Austin made Redfall.

Keep crying.

Redfall epic failed, and they're creating a second vampire focused game in a row to recycle assets of what was supposed to be added in Redfall dlc's. This is your next game.

I agree with you - Redfall was a disaster and it should never have happened.

But, that doesn't change the fact that the studio that did Redfall is not the studio that is doing Blade.

It doesn't matter, its still Arkane, all of which are under Bethesda---->Microsoft umbrella. Even the art direction in Blade is the same'ish. Perfect way of recling Redfall assets.

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#26  Edited By lamprey263
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Redfall was rather forced on Arkane Austin because Betheada wanted an online game they could monetize. This started before Microsoft's ZeniMax acquisition, and afterwards Microsoft kept a hands off approach toward the acquired studios and publishers.

Arkane Austin gave us Prey (2017), so I've no doubt they were quite a competent developer. Problem was when they moved onto Redfall, they had a problem both retaining and hiring on new employees, because the workers wanted to keep working on immersive sims, what attracted developers to want to work with Arkane to begin with given their history with the genre.

So, they had staffing issues plus a lack of passion for the work for those that stuck around. In hindsight perhaps MS should have been more hands-on with regards to this title. I think the benefits of letting the studios and publishers maintain their independence outweighs the consequences of being too overbearing. For contrast, look at the drama going on at Bungie, that $3.6B acquisition is looking disastrous at this point, that's quite a price tag to flush that all away only to have those veteran Halo devs up and quit and go get hired on at 343 just a few miles away.

There was signaling that MS would have to reevaluate how they monitor their multiple projects under their multiple publishers, but they're doing so wanting to preserve independence.

Phil Spencer even publicly declared any of the acquired studios will be given free reign to choose their own own projects and the freedom to dip into the wealth of IPs under Microsoft's stewardship, so, excited to see if any of their stronger developers take them up on that.

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I still have faith in Arkane. I loved Dishonored 1/2, Prey, and Deathloop. All those games had something new and different to offer. One game that was forced on them doesn't kill my love for the other four. Hell, you can name almost every developer now and still pull one game they made at some point in time that wasn't up to par.

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Notice how the OP never talks about Sony's games. It's Xbox this, MS that.

They don't love their system they just hate yours 🤣

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@last_lap said:

Notice how the OP never talks about Sony's games. It's Xbox this, MS that.

They don't love their system they just hate yours 🤣

If i don't give my full attention to what's completely abandoned, life of those who have it, is worse, and i genuinely, and truly don't want this to happen. I am sure you understand my situation.

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Lmao poor cows... such a barren wasteland on PS5 atm, nothing better to do.

😂😂😂

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#31  Edited By mrbojangles25
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Developers reuse assets all the time. It'd be foolish not to.

That's a lot of work to use once. And say what you want about Redfall, I don't think I ever heard anyone say it was an ugly game (it's not).

"Oh yeah guys we already have "concrete_texture_4" plus some variants but, y'know, fuckit start from scratch and make a new texture that looks exactly the same, we don't want to be viewed as, umm...lazy or something?" said no developer ever.

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Feel like this game should’ve been first person.

Yeah I feel the same way.

Could be a spiritual successor to games like FEAR, Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay, and others in that same vein that incorporated melee combat and shooter mechanics.

It's a lot more immersive to be in first-person imo, and all you lose is the cinematic (and superficial) visuals of seeing a guy do a bunch of cool martial arts.

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@hrt_rulz01 said:

Lmao poor cows... such a barren wasteland on PS5 atm, nothing better to do.

😂😂😂

They celebrated the TGA prior but when Sony got no game awards they are now bitter with a vengeance.🤭

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#33  Edited By HalcyonScarlet
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Have you got anything of substance to back that up?

Redfall was on Zenimax and no one else.

Yet Sony are actively gutting Bungie. “Bu bu bu Sony nurture developers” 😄

Bungie, soon to be running the cafeteria at PlayStation.

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#34 Pedro
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@HalcyonScarlet said:

Have you got anything of substance to back that up?

Redfall was on Zenimax and no one else.

Zenimax is owned by Xbox.🤷🏽‍♂️

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#35  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@TheEroica said:

Keep reaching friends! I know you'll make something out of these theories... Lol

It's funny that arkane goes to make a killer sp game after redfall and now it's all wrong! Lol. Fanboys can't keep it together for even a moment.😂

You guys should just get an Xbox then you don't have to lose sleep anymore knowing youre missing out on Starfield and arkane etc...

Idunno maybe it's human nature but it's really said that we only celebrate failures and not successes.

Arkane (both Lyon and Austin) have made some of the best action games of the past 20 years or so--great visuals, good story, incredible level design, excellent gameplay, really awesome performance, etc--but no no no we have to focus on their one stinker.

Let's forget about:

Arx Fatalis

Karmastar

Dark MEssiah of Might and Magic

Dishonored

Dishonored 2

Dishonored: Death of the Outsider

Wolfenstein: Youngblood (co-developers)

Prey

Deathloop.

No no no let's just remember Redfall. A game that, frankly, wasn't bad and whose only crime is being mediocre.

smh

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#36  Edited By hardwenzen
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@HalcyonScarlet said:

Have you got anything of substance to back that up?

Redfall was on Zenimax and no one else.

Yes, yes i do. Its called Microsoft, the developer demolisher. Who announces two vamp games in a row when the first was pure mediocrity from the get go? Nobody does that. Assets recycling is the only reason, and experts such as myself are noticing their paterns.

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#37 Pedro
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@mrbojangles25 said:
@TheEroica said:

Keep reaching friends! I know you'll make something out of these theories... Lol

It's funny that arkane goes to make a killer sp game after redfall and now it's all wrong! Lol. Fanboys can't keep it together for even a moment.😂

You guys should just get an Xbox then you don't have to lose sleep anymore knowing youre missing out on Starfield and arkane etc...

Idunno maybe it's human nature but it's really said that we only celebrate failures and not successes.

Arkane (both Lyon and Austin) have made some of the best action games of the past 20 years or so--great visuals, good story, incredible level design, excellent gameplay, really awesome performance, etc--but no no no we have to focus on their one stinker.

Let's forget about:

Arx Fatalis

Karmastar

Dark MEssiah of Might and Magic

Dishonored

Dishonored 2

Dishonored: Death of the Outsider

Wolfenstein: Youngblood (co-developers)

Prey

Deathloop.

No no no let's just remember Redfall. A game that, frankly, wasn't bad and whose only crime is being mediocre.

smh

Only Sony fannies are into that nonsensical behavior. So, you pay them no serious mind unless you enjoy trolling them.😊

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comparing deathloop to redfall is mindblowing. post numerous updates, deathloop is the most underrated overrated game out there. redfall is, in very generous terms, severely lacking, across the board. as a big arkane fan it's a hard pill to swallow

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@hardwenzen said:
@last_lap said:

Notice how the OP never talks about Sony's games. It's Xbox this, MS that.

They don't love their system they just hate yours 🤣

If i don't give my full attention to what's completely abandoned, life of those who have it, is worse, and i genuinely, and truly don't want this to happen. I am sure you understand my situation.

Oh I understand alright

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#40 hardwenzen
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@last_lap said:
@hardwenzen said:
@last_lap said:

Notice how the OP never talks about Sony's games. It's Xbox this, MS that.

They don't love their system they just hate yours 🤣

If i don't give my full attention to what's completely abandoned, life of those who have it, is worse, and i genuinely, and truly don't want this to happen. I am sure you understand my situation.

Oh I understand alright

Calling me a sony fanboy while having a GT collection is very hypocrite of you. Honestly.

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@SolidGame_basic said:

Feel like this game should’ve been first person.

What did you see in the gameplay that made you feel that way?

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@Pedro: 🤣🤣🤣

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@TheEroica said:
@SolidGame_basic said:

Feel like this game should’ve been first person.

What did you see in the gameplay that made you feel that way?

Why would anyone want this in first person? Except Ghost...

I wonder if people share the same sentiment for Wolverine

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One bad game does not kill a developer.

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@mrbojangles25 said:

Developers reuse assets all the time. It'd be foolish not to.

That's a lot of work to use once. And say what you want about Redfall, I don't think I ever heard anyone say it was an ugly game (it's not).

"Oh yeah guys we already have "concrete_texture_4" plus some variants but, y'know, fuckit start from scratch and make a new texture that looks exactly the same, we don't want to be viewed as, umm...lazy or something?" said no developer ever.

@SolidGame_basic said:

Feel like this game should’ve been first person.

Yeah I feel the same way.

Could be a spiritual successor to games like FEAR, Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay, and others in that same vein that incorporated melee combat and shooter mechanics.

It's a lot more immersive to be in first-person imo, and all you lose is the cinematic (and superficial) visuals of seeing a guy do a bunch of cool martial arts.

Disagree big time with that.. 3rd person is necessary for a main character that's acrobatic and uses swords. It's like saying DMC and Ninja Gaiden being 3rd person is "just superficial for looks"

Nah, there's a reason why the best action hack n slash games go 3rd person. It works better for the gameplay.

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#46 pmanden
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I dunno. Microsoft has only owned Arkane for a few years, and games take very long to develop. If the next five Arkane games are stinkers, then you are right. If not...

By the way, Redfall isn't that bad, it was just released too early, The latest updated version is pretty good.

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#47 hardwenzen
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@pmanden said:

I dunno. Microsoft has only owned Arkane for a few years, and games take very long to develop. If the next five Arkane games are stinkers, then you are right. If not...

By the way, Redfall isn't that bad, it was just released too early, The latest updated version is pretty good.

The game is empty and lifeless. How exactly is it not as bad as everyone is saying it being?

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#48  Edited By pmanden
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@hardwenzen: Has "everyone" played the updated version or the abysmal first version? No, the game isn't anything to write home about, but it has improved from a 4 to a, say, 7.

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@pmanden said:

@hardwenzen: Has "everyone" played the updated version or the abysmal first version? No, the game isn't anything to write home about, but it has improved from a 4 to a, say, 7.

Did they fill the empty world? They did not. You're still walking in empty environment, finding a random vamp standing on top of a car with trash ai, and nothing else around. They forgot to add gameplay in their video game. Expecting the Suicide Squad to be on par with Redfall.