2011 is turning out to be The Year of the Flop

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#1 jhcho2
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AAA potential titles which became AA

1) Dead Space - 8.5
2) Marvel vs Capcom 3 - 8.5
3) Killzone 3 - 8.5
4) Dragon Age 2 - 8.0
5) Crysis 2 - 8.5

That's 5 heavy weights which failed to live up to their reputation. I predict Batman: AC, Dungeon Siege 3, Gears of War 3 and Witcher 2 to be AA as well.

All we have left is Dark Souls, Skyrim, Uncharted 3 & Diablo 3 (hopefully) to save the year. Dark Souls may suffer the same fate as Dead Space. The kind of game which is good only during the first taste.

Shogun 2 did its part, i'll give it that. But at the end of the year, more games would have flopped than delivered.

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#2 osan0
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but still dam fine games going by the score (i havent played them). just getting in there before people start calling them dreadful and unplayable messes. a flop on SW does not equal a bad game.
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#3 Chogyam
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we all want straight A's, but a B is hardly a fail grade...

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#4 lbjkurono23
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Which is why you shouldn't put any stock on the scores.
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#5 glez13
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Wasn't LBP 2 also from this year or was it late last year? That one delivered also.

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#6 TheOtherTheoG
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None of them are... really... flops. Maybe bar Dragon Age II. Year of minor flops, more accurately. Either that or Gamespot keep accidentally hitting the 8.5 button.
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#7 AzatiS
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I get what you mean and i agree. Consoles are on their peak like 3 years now. Games starting feeling OLD or one of the same so theres nothing more to WOW gamers except VERY VERY FEW epic artistically or gameplay wise games ( like Uncharted 2 did for art and design or Crysis 1 did for graphics etc ). Now if you ask me we should have been into next gen already. I really think a 6 years cycle is ok. More than that its getting old... period. Games shows that , sales shows that , scores shows that ... AND last but not least... Gamers shows that where as time pass , PC platform lure more and more gamers in ( even in reality PC gaming its affected by console gaming ALOT ).
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#8 ArcFatalix
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all these games would have scored a 9 few years back, it wont now. so i think we need to reduce our expectations as well. we cant get more out of consoles now so the quality level will be the same.

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#9 markinthedark
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Hardware is old. As the timeline goes on it becomes increasingly difficult to "WOW" people. So i think it makes sense.

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#10 Snyper-007
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The 360 is flopping this year imho

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#11 YoYo278
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I can't wait for them to review Failda Skyrim Sword. Considering how far RPGs have gone in the last few years;

7.5 if it comes out before Oblivion

7.0 if it comes out after Oblivion

I can't wait for it to get a crappy score, so Nintendo get there fingers out their arse and start using theyre vast developers talent to make some modern games.

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#13 madsnakehhh
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MvC was hyped 9.0???

Not in this live.

But regardless the scores, there are pretty damn good games.

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#14 D-RS
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The 360 is flopping this year imho

Snyper-007
Which Flops? God ps3 fanboys.
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#15 KristoffBrujah
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Shogun 2 delivered well. I got way more than I expected.

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#16 chikenfriedrice
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this flop mentality it driving me nuts....8.5 is a damn good score and it's insulting to the devs when a game gets trashed for getting a great score because it didn't meet some fanboys hype...ridiculous

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#17 arbitor365
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I think is more along the lines of one of these

a year of bias reviews

a year of fanboyism

a year of attacking games that you havent played

a year of blindly clinging to reviews that cater to your prejeduces

a year of judging games before they are released

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#18 heretrix
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AAA potential titles which became AA

1) Dead Space - 8.5
2) Marvel vs Capcom 3 - 8.5
3) Killzone 3 - 8.5
4) Dragon Age 2 - 8.0
5) Crysis 2 - 8.5

jhcho2

All of those games are pretty good.

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#19 arbitor365
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[QUOTE="Snyper-007"]

The 360 is flopping this year imho

D-RS

Which Flops? God ps3 fanboys.

by the fact that it hasnt released any exclusives so far this year and only has about 2 on its list for the entire year. thats pretty weak.

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#20 AzatiS
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[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

AAA potential titles which became AA

1) Dead Space - 8.5
2) Marvel vs Capcom 3 - 8.5
3) Killzone 3 - 8.5
4) Dragon Age 2 - 8.0
5) Crysis 2 - 8.5

heretrix

All of those games are pretty good.

DS2 was awesome.

MC3 was ok ,

KZ3 sales speak dont have to say anything ,

DA2 was THE flop of the year ,

Crysis 2 was ..... FLOOOOP compare it to Crysis 1 and all the hype around 2.

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#21 Infinite_Access
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They are only flops because SW has turned into a 9 or nothing forum. The hype threads are full of 9 votes because of fanboys both for and agains the game.
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#22 arbitor365
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lets forget that these scores are not universal and that they have been chosen from select sources. lets forget that reviewers themselves are not fool-proof or bias-proof by any means. The mere idea of hiding behind other people's reviews is just shameful. why cant you just have your own opinions on these games? TC, let me show you something. this is called, "having a stance." here are my scores for these games

1) Dead Space 2- 9.5/10
2) Marvel vs Capcom 3 - 9.5/10
3) Killzone 3 - 10/10
4) Dragon Age 2 - 8.0
5) Crysis 2 - 9/10

you may agree or disagree with my opinions, but at least Ive got some

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#23 Lucianu
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They are only flops because SW has turned into a 9 or nothing forum. The hype threads are full of 9 votes because of fanboys both for and agains the game. Infinite_Access

It's just a game though, started in this section of the GS forums. 8.5 is certainly a great score, only children that don't know anything could even state that 8.0 is average. I mean damn, it's factual knowledge that 5.0, in a 1 - 10 scale, is average.

Just joke around, make fun of fanboys, or ignore all of it alltogether. It's not like it'll influence your enjoyment with any game, i don't get this. Why do people always care what reputation a game has, because the only thing that matters is your enjoyment.

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#24 tagyhag
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More games flopped than I thought they would that's for sure.
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#25 todd2r
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AAA potential titles which became AA

1) Dead Space - 8.5
2) Marvel vs Capcom 3 - 8.5
3) Killzone 3 - 8.5
4) Dragon Age 2 - 8.0
5) Crysis 2 - 8.5

That's 5 heavy weights which failed to live up to their reputation. I predict Batman: AC, Dungeon Siege 3, Gears of War 3 and Witcher 2 to be AA as well.

All we have left is Dark Souls, Skyrim, Uncharted 3 & Diablo 3 (hopefully) to save the year. Dark Souls may suffer the same fate as Dead Space. The kind of game which is good only during the first taste.

Shogun 2 did its part, i'll give it that. But at the end of the year, more games would have flopped than delivered.

jhcho2

i really hope that SW stops the whole hype/flop ratings we have going on because they make no sense and are really dumb. all of those games scored 8-8.5. those are great scores and great games. are you not going to play those games cause they didnt meet the "hype"? if so, youre missing out on some great games

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#26 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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Year of the Flop? If those are flops, I LOVE FLOPS!

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#27 Floppy_Jim
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It just means GS are getting harder to impress. I'm surprised Yakuza 4 scored as well as it did.
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#28 TheMoreYouOwn
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Actually one of the best years in quite a while.
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#29 Locutus_Picard
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I think is more along the lines of one of these

a year of bias reviews

a year of fanboyism

a year of attacking games that you havent played

a year of blindly clinging to reviews that cater to your prejeduces

a year of judging games before they are released

arbitor365

Isn't that what SW always has been about? That and the blind love for the 360.

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#30 Snakemaster9
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[QUOTE="Snyper-007"]

The 360 is flopping this year imho

D-RS

Which Flops? God ps3 fanboys.

You act like every PS3 fanboy acts like this. Its usally only the Bold guys or the level 2 50 posts guys.

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#31 Snakemaster9
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[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

I think is more along the lines of one of these

a year of bias reviews

a year of fanboyism

a year of attacking games that you havent played

a year of blindly clinging to reviews that cater to your prejeduces

a year of judging games before they are released

Locutus_Picard

Isn't that what SW always has been about? That and the blind love for the PS3

Fixed.

More people on SW like PS3 .

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#32 DarkLink77
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I think is more along the lines of one of these

a year of bias reviews

a year of fanboyism

a year of attacking games that you havent played

a year of blindly clinging to reviews that cater to your prejeduces

a year of judging games before they are released

arbitor365

I think you're still upset over Killzone 3 flopping at just about every major review site. :lol:

On topic, it definitely has been the year of the flop. I was actually going to post a similar thread, but you beat me to it. And the majority of them can be attributed to developers selling out and dumbing down their games.

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#33 dawso0n
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Here is how i would rate the games i played this year

1) Dead Space - 9 (just as good as Dead Space if not better)
2) Marvel vs Capcom 3 - 7.5 (loved MvC2 and really like this game but get bored with it to quickly)
3) Total War gogun2 - 9.5 (best game of the year buy far for me everything i wanted in a RTS well done CA)
4) Dragon Age 2 - 8.0 (was good but no where near as good as the first)
5) Crysis 2 - 8.5 (getting it as i loved the first and 8.5 is a good score)

If i took reviews as fact i would miss out on a ton of amazing games the only opinion that realy matters is your own, just use reviews as a guide line.

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#34 ermacness
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[QUOTE="Snyper-007"]

The 360 is flopping this year imho

D-RS

Which Flops? God ps3 fanboys.

Don't put him there with us!:P

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#35 ermacness
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

AAA potential titles which became AA

1) Dead Space - 8.5
2) Marvel vs Capcom 3 - 8.5
3) Killzone 3 - 8.5
4) Dragon Age 2 - 8.0
5) Crysis 2 - 8.5

AzatiS

All of those games are pretty good.

DS2 was awesome.

MC3 was ok ,

KZ3 sales speak dont have to say anything ,

DA2 was THE flop of the year ,

Crysis 2 was ..... FLOOOOP compare it to Crysis 1 and all the hype around 2.

Well, it's a GREAT thing that your opinion doesn't speak for everyone else.

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#36 ShadowDeathX
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Uncharted 3 - 8.5
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#37 AcidSoldner
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What the **** is System Wars' obsession with "flops"!? If it's a good game play it, if not then stay away. No need for the pointless (and non-sensicle) comparision between hype and score.
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#38 Twin-Blade
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In all honesty, I never thought any of those were guaranteed AAAs. Of your predictions, I think Gears of War 3 is going to score AAAs because the series has so far easily been AAA quality. I'm also hoping the Witcher 2 turns out to be as good as it looks.

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#39 patsfan217
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Uncharted 3 - 8.5ShadowDeathX

SW will explode.

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#40 Malta_1980
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AAA potential titles which became AA

1) Dead Space - 8.5
2) Marvel vs Capcom 3 - 8.5
3) Killzone 3 - 8.5
4) Dragon Age 2 - 8.0
5) Crysis 2 - 8.5

That's 5 heavy weights which failed to live up to their reputation. I predict Batman: AC, Dungeon Siege 3, Gears of War 3 and Witcher 2 to be AA as well.

All we have left is Dark Souls, Skyrim, Uncharted 3 & Diablo 3 (hopefully) to save the year. Dark Souls may suffer the same fate as Dead Space. The kind of game which is good only during the first taste.

Shogun 2 did its part, i'll give it that. But at the end of the year, more games would have flopped than delivered.

jhcho2

failed according to who? some random reviewers ppfff

honestly i think all those games are great and looking forward to Crysis2 and will definately get DA2 later on this year.. the others are all great titles i enjoy playing..

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#41 RandomWinner
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

AAA potential titles which became AA

1) Dead Space - 8.5
2) Marvel vs Capcom 3 - 8.5
3) Killzone 3 - 8.5
4) Dragon Age 2 - 8.0
5) Crysis 2 - 8.5

AzatiS

All of those games are pretty good.

DS2 was awesome.

MC3 was ok ,

KZ3 sales speak dont have to say anything ,

DA2 was THE flop of the year ,

Crysis 2 was ..... FLOOOOP compare it to Crysis 1 and all the hype around 2.

I'd agree if it wasn't for your KZ3 comment. An 8.5 review score isn't why it didn't sell well.

I can tell you that I bought and enjoyed KZ2, but haven't touched KZ3 except for the two demos. I thought those demos were mediocre.

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#42 Utensilman
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I don't really see any AAA material in that list
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#43 coreybg
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Dragon Age 2 didn't flop.

The hype was AA and it scored AA.

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#44 rangegear
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8.5 is not flopping! Fish are!

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Uncharted 3 - 8.5ShadowDeathX

Insecurity at its plainest and finest.

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#46 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

AAA potential titles which became AA

1) Dead Space - 8.5
2) Marvel vs Capcom 3 - 8.5
3) Killzone 3 - 8.5
4) Dragon Age 2 - 8.0
5) Crysis 2 - 8.5

AzatiS

All of those games are pretty good.

DS2 was awesome.

MC3 was ok ,

KZ3 sales speak dont have to say anything ,

DA2 was THE flop of the year ,

Crysis 2 was ..... FLOOOOP compare it to Crysis 1 and all the hype around 2.

Have you actually played DA2 and Crysis 2 or are you just basing this on someone else's opinions?

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#47 lhughey
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its our fault that expectations for this game were so high. All indications pointed to the game being worse than a 8.5 (especially after the broken demos (umm, betas)).
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#48 Ragnarok1051
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[QUOTE="Snyper-007"]

The 360 is flopping this year imho

D-RS
Which Flops? God ps3 fanboys.

Look at his sig. Now be sure to never pay attention to anyone who has one similar to it.
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#49 2Chalupas
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It also could be that Gamespot is being more stingy on giving out 9.0 scores. It's not like there is a big difference between a 9.0 or an 8.5, or any real difference at all actually. On a whim just about any of those 8.5 games could have easily scored a 9.0 - and in fact Dead Space 2 *WAS* a 9.0 on PS3. But who really cares at that point?

It's pretty stupid to call a game a "flop" if it misses it's mark by .5. Who decided that .5 is a flop? To me a flop has to miss it's mark by at least 2 points... or jeez how about at least 1 full point anyway. You can also call a game a flop if it grossly fails to live up to it's predecessor AND scores 1 point worse. It's completely silly to call flops when often times review scores themselves don't seem to make sense when you compared games reviewed one month to another. Right now Gamestop migth be stingy, at the end of the year might be new reviewers that feel like giving out 9.0's left and right. (i.e. too many games scoring 7.5 or 8.0 end up being great, whereas 9.0 games disappoint and were just a hyped up mess or rehash of a previous game... Black Ops I'm looking at you).

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#50 tenaka2
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Shogun 2 delivered well. I got way more than I expected.

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