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Trump tweeted today that he ordered FEMA funds to be denied to fight wildfires in California.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/09/trump-treatens-fema-funds-california-1090253

I don't know if he can do this. It seems like an odd move both politically and logistically. It certainly seems callous to me, and a proverb about living in glass houses comes to mind.

Now that the holidays are over, the news is coming fast and getting wild.

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#2  Edited By MirkoS77
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This is just a reiteration of what he said in November (IIRC). He threatens in complete ignorance after the worst fires in CA's history. Peoples homes are burning down, their lives destroyed, much of this land is under federal jurisdiction, and all he can do is lay blame and toss around threats. Yea, real leadership. But at least we're sticking it to the libs! I cannot articulate properly the degree of disgust and contempt I hold for this man and his supporters. He is pure scum who can't drop dead soon enough. He couldn't even be bothered to get the damn name right.

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#3  Edited By mandzilla  Moderator
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What a child.

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@mattbbpl said:

Trump tweeted today that he ordered FEMA funds to be denied to fight wildfires in California.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/09/trump-treatens-fema-funds-california-1090253

I don't know if he can do this. It seems like an odd move both politically and logistically. It certainly seems callous to me, and a proverb about living in glass houses comes to mind.

Now that the holidays are over, the news is coming fast and getting wild.

How he can do it is pretty obvious, it´s a federal agency under HS.

But this is not the way to punish California for their absurd dealings of federal laws.

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So next time a wildfire occurs in California, he wants people to just fend for themselves?

That's pretty harsh.

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#6 horgen  Moderator
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Well good luck next time a forest fire is raging.

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I guess they'll have to take that money they spend on illegals and instead use it on better forest management.

If they don't like it they should secede.

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Politics at it's absolute worst. Jesus.

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#9 LJS9502_basic
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@MirkoS77: Absolutely well said. trump is a total tool and I have no respect for his supporters that enable this.

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Politics at it's absolute worst. Jesus.

Agreed. This is just fucking stupid.

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They don't actually have to do what he says if it's just via tweet, right?

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This is trump having another child fit

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@Serraph105: You cant be serious.

He's using Twitter to inform you of what he's instructing his administration to do. He's not issuing commands from his Twitter account.

The ignorance is mind boggling. Especially when people who are so clueless profess to have an informed opinion.

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@Jacanuk said:
@mattbbpl said:

Trump tweeted today that he ordered FEMA funds to be denied to fight wildfires in California.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/09/trump-treatens-fema-funds-california-1090253

I don't know if he can do this. It seems like an odd move both politically and logistically. It certainly seems callous to me, and a proverb about living in glass houses comes to mind.

Now that the holidays are over, the news is coming fast and getting wild.

But this is not the way to punish California for their absurd dealings of federal laws.

Weird, Jacanuk disagreeing with the president for the first time ever, must be April fools.

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#15  Edited By deactivated-5e9044657a310
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@sn0man: Focus...

• Trump has been implicated on 2 FELONIES

• Paul Manafort WAS colluding with Russia

• 2018 was the stock market’s WORST performing year since the Great Recession

• We are $2 TRILLION dollars MORE in debt

• The tax cuts yielded NOTHING for the middle class.

• But watch out for those unbelievable vehicles coming in from Mexico

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#16 deactivated-5c38b6bb4b978
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@Nuck81: muh russia collusion tho

Don't complain to me about debt while you insist on letting every third world scumbag on the planet in to the country to live off social assistance and food stamps

Also it went from about 5T to about 20T under Obama. Democrats hold the undisputed world record on creating country-destroying debt.

Stocks go up, stocks go down. DJIA is still well up overall - even from just 2 years ago - though down from its all time record breaking high under the watch of this administration.

https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/djia

Trump's economic record is one of vastly increased GDP growth, increased wages, massive increases in available job opportunities and an increase in household median income. https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-tax-cuts-economy-deficits/

What else you got?

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@Nuck81: muh russia collusion tho

Don't complain to me about debt while you insist on letting every third world scumbag on the planet in to the country to live off social assistance and food stamps

The largest percentage of food stamp recipients in 2016 were White citizens.

@sn0man said:

Also it went from about 5T to about 20T under Obama. Democrats hold the undisputed world record on creating country-destroying debt.

The US debt was already over 10 trillion when Obama took office, and increased by less than 9 trillion. Though the largest by-dollar increase, this is a lower percentage increase than both Ronald Reagan, and his predecessor, George W. Bush.

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When Russian collusion is literally proven, responses of "muh russia collusion tho" no longer appear sarcastic.

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#19  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@Nuck81: muh russia collusion tho

Facts............don't leave home without them.

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The largest percentage of food stamp recipients in 2016 were White citizens.

I don't recall making any statements about what race uses how much welfare. I don't recall claiming any particular usage statistic whatsoever. How racist of you to make that leap.

But since you brought it up, a watered-down statistic from left leaning politifact finds 41 percent of immigrant households in California relied on welfare. It does not distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants (funny thing that).

I could care less if more Americans use welfare than immigrants, since Americans (of whatever race) are the ones paying for it, and it was designed to benefit less fortunate Americans. Instead it's being abused by immigrants.

The US debt was already over 10 trillion when Obama took office, and increased by less than 9 trillion. Though the largest by-dollar increase, this is a lower percentage increase than both Ronald Reagan, and his predecessor, George W. Bush.

Right. My bad. Bush doubled it. Then Barry doubled it again.

But don't try to use percentages to distract from the very plain and obvious fact that Obama increased the national debt by $9 Trillion - bringing it to ~$20 Trillion - which can, at this point, never be paid. You'll soon pay more in interest on that ridiculous debt than you do on the entire military budget.

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I don't recall making any statements about what race uses how much welfare. I don't recall claiming any particular usage statistic whatsoever. How racist of you to make that leap.

But since you brought it up, a watered-down statistic from left leaning politifact finds 41 percent of immigrant households in California relied on welfare. It does not distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants (funny thing that).

I could care less if more Americans use welfare than immigrants, since Americans (of whatever race) are the ones paying for it, and it was designed to benefit less fortunate Americans. Instead it's being abused by immigrants.

The US debt was already over 10 trillion when Obama took office, and increased by less than 9 trillion. Though the largest by-dollar increase, this is a lower percentage increase than both Ronald Reagan, and his predecessor, George W. Bush.

Right. My bad. Bush doubled it. Then Barry doubled it again.

But don't try to use percentages to distract from the very plain and obvious fact that Obama increased the national debt by $9 Trillion - bringing it to ~$20 Trillion - which can, at this point, never be paid. You'll soon pay more in interest on that ridiculous debt than you do on the entire military budget.

Because it's legal immigrants if you read the link. Funny that. It doesn't differentiate between legal children receiving benefits and immigrant parents not.

When you bring up paying for it.................you do know that those using aren't the ones paying for even if they are Americans. So why the double standards?

The first year of any president's term the debt has already been created by the prior president and as such it isn't fair to use that against the new president. Bush's last budget increased debt by 1.16 trillion. Obama had nothing to do with that.

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@mattbbpl said:

When Russian collusion is literally proven, responses of "muh russia collusion tho" no longer appear sarcastic.

You are talking a lot of BS.

No collusion have been proven so not sure why you would claim it.

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@Jacanuk said:
@mattbbpl said:

When Russian collusion is literally proven, responses of "muh russia collusion tho" no longer appear sarcastic.

You are talking a lot of BS.

No collusion have been proven so not sure why you would claim it.

Yeah Manafort colluded with Russia and it's proven.

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Because it's legal immigrants if you read the link. Funny that. It doesn't differentiate between legal children receiving benefits and immigrant parents not.

When you bring up paying for it.................you do know that those using aren't the ones paying for even if they are Americans. So why the double standards?

The first year of any president's term the debt has already been created by the prior president and as such it isn't fair to use that against the new president. Bush's last budget increased debt by 1.16 trillion. Obama had nothing to do with that.

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@sn0man: I like how you troll when the facts show you lied. It's so pathetic.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@mattbbpl said:

When Russian collusion is literally proven, responses of "muh russia collusion tho" no longer appear sarcastic.

You are talking a lot of BS.

No collusion have been proven so not sure why you would claim it.

Yeah Manafort colluded with Russia and it's proven.

Not really but whatever you need to say to sleep at night I guess.

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@sn0man: I like how you troll when the facts show you lied. It's so pathetic.

What facts? All you contribute is meaningless, nonsensical drivel.

Go chew on some crayons.

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Not really but whatever you need to say to sleep at night I guess.

I think it's you that needs to believe what you do to sleep.

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What does FEMA have to do with CA wildfires?! Haha, wow.

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@sn0man said:
@Vaasman said:
The largest percentage of food stamp recipients in 2016 were White citizens.

I don't recall making any statements about what race uses how much welfare. I don't recall claiming any particular usage statistic whatsoever. How racist of you to make that leap.

But since you brought it up, a watered-down statistic from left leaning politifact finds 41 percent of immigrant households in California relied on welfare. It does not distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants (funny thing that).

I could care less if more Americans use welfare than immigrants, since Americans (of whatever race) are the ones paying for it, and it was designed to benefit less fortunate Americans. Instead it's being abused by immigrants.

The US debt was already over 10 trillion when Obama took office, and increased by less than 9 trillion. Though the largest by-dollar increase, this is a lower percentage increase than both Ronald Reagan, and his predecessor, George W. Bush.

Right. My bad. Bush doubled it. Then Barry doubled it again.

But don't try to use percentages to distract from the very plain and obvious fact that Obama increased the national debt by $9 Trillion - bringing it to ~$20 Trillion - which can, at this point, never be paid. You'll soon pay more in interest on that ridiculous debt than you do on the entire military budget.

Didn't trump increase the deficit by 2 trillion? And its not even a recession.

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What does FEMA have to do with CA wildfires?! Haha, wow.

You mean what does the federal emergency Management agency have to do with Federal Emergency? which a massive wildfire as seen in California can be categorized as.

Sorry but maybe next time at least learns what FEMA is.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:

Not really but whatever you need to say to sleep at night I guess.

I think it's you that needs to believe what you do to sleep.

Whatever you say, mate.

It´s funny though the lengths you will go to confirm your already established false assumptions.

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:

Not really but whatever you need to say to sleep at night I guess.

I think it's you that needs to believe what you do to sleep.

Whatever you say, mate.

It´s funny though the lengths you will go to confirm your already established false assumptions.

I deal in facts. You deal in a cult of personality and propaganda.

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@Serraph105: You cant be serious.

He's using Twitter to inform you of what he's instructing his administration to do. He's not issuing commands from his Twitter account.

The ignorance is mind boggling. Especially when people who are so clueless profess to have an informed opinion.

There has been multiple occassions throughout Trump's presidency where he tweets an order or official decree without actually doing anything legally, mostly because he's a moron who thinks (or at least thought) that that's how things work. People didn't do what he said, and nothing actually happened.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

I deal in facts. You deal in a cult of personality and propaganda.

If you deal in facts I am Santa

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

I deal in facts. You deal in a cult of personality and propaganda.

If you deal in facts I am Santa

I bet you're just completely unreachable on December 26th what with having stayed up all night the day before.

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#37  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

I deal in facts. You deal in a cult of personality and propaganda.

If you deal in facts I am Santa

So you go to malls and let kids sit on your lap in December.

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@Serraph105 said:

There has been multiple occassions throughout Trump's presidency where he tweets an order or official decree without actually doing anything legally, mostly because he's a moron who thinks (or at least thought) that that's how things work. People didn't do what he said, and nothing actually happened.

Provide a single example of Trump issuing an official decree or order from his twitter account. Just one. Any one will do.

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#39 Jacanuk
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@Serraph105 said:
@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

I deal in facts. You deal in a cult of personality and propaganda.

If you deal in facts I am Santa

I bet you're just completely unreachable on December 26th what with having stayed up all night the day before.

Sure, except LJS deals in facts the same way Santa is an actual person.

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#40 LJS9502_basic
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@Jacanuk said:
@Serraph105 said:
@Jacanuk said:

If you deal in facts I am Santa

I bet you're just completely unreachable on December 26th what with having stayed up all night the day before.

Sure, except LJS deals in facts the same way Santa is an actual person.

You wouldn't know a fact if it walked up and smacked you in the face. trump apologists are allergic to facts.

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#41 Jacanuk
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@Serraph105 said:
@Jacanuk said:

If you deal in facts I am Santa

I bet you're just completely unreachable on December 26th what with having stayed up all night the day before.

Sure, except LJS deals in facts the same way Santa is an actual person.

You wouldn't know a fact if it walked up and smacked you in the face. trump apologists are allergic to facts.

Only when it comes from a source that is known for fake news.

Other than that actual fact is pretty good.

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#42  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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I live in California.

I feel really underrepresented right now. He's treating us like we're the enemy.

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#43 Serraph105
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@sn0man said:
@Serraph105 said:

There has been multiple occassions throughout Trump's presidency where he tweets an order or official decree without actually doing anything legally, mostly because he's a moron who thinks (or at least thought) that that's how things work. People didn't do what he said, and nothing actually happened.

Provide a single example of Trump issuing an official decree or order from his twitter account. Just one. Any one will do.

Took me a while because Trump has made what seems like 50 thousand tweets since becoming president. Seriously, the archive is effing huge. That said I found a perfect example in this Times article.

http://time.com/4916871/donald-trump-transgender-military-ban/

White House officials and the Pentagon said at the time that his missives did not amount to formal U.S. government policy.

And these are the twitter quotes in the article.

After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow......

....Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming.....

....victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you

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@Serraph105:

I appreciate the effort you must have gone through to try to track down something resembling an official twitter decree in an attempt to prove me wrong.

However, that is not an official decree, which should be clear to you by this comment you yourself quoted:

White House officials and the Pentagon said at the time that his missives did not amount to formal U.S. government policy.

An official decree or order comes in the form of a signed executive order (policy document). This can't be done on twitter for obvious reasons.

President Donald Trump on Friday formally ordered the Department of Defense to reverse a 2016 order allowing transgender individuals to serve openly in the military.

The formal policy document comes a month after Trump surprised the Pentagon when he announced in a series of July 26 tweets that he would reverse the Obama-era policy change. The Pentagon pondered how to respond, and Secretary of Defense James Mattis said he was waiting to hear from the White House exactly how he should proceed

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@Gaming-Planet said:

I live in California.

I feel really underrepresented right now. He's treating us like we're the enemy.

But your state is full of liberals so at least Trump is trying to hurt the right people, right?

Yes I am making a joke.

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#47 Serraph105
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@sn0man said:

@Serraph105:

I appreciate the effort you must have gone through to try to track down something resembling an official twitter decree in an attempt to prove me wrong.

However, that is not an official decree, which should be clear to you by this comment you yourself quoted:

White House officials and the Pentagon said at the time that his missives did not amount to formal U.S. government policy.

An official decree or order comes in the form of a signed executive order (policy document). This can't be done on twitter for obvious reasons.

President Donald Trump on Friday formally ordered the Department of Defense to reverse a 2016 order allowing transgender individuals to serve openly in the military.

The formal policy document comes a month after Trump surprised the Pentagon when he announced in a series of July 26 tweets that he would reverse the Obama-era policy change. The Pentagon pondered how to respond, and Secretary of Defense James Mattis said he was waiting to hear from the White House exactly how he should proceed

Like I said, he tried to do this. It wasn't until after a few days later he realized what he had done wasn't legally binding. I said that in my original comment to you.

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@Gaming-Planet said:

I live in California.

I feel really underrepresented right now. He's treating us like we're the enemy.

Look at your seditious, ungovernable state.

I think the rest of the country just wishes you would secede already. You might eventually be forced to.

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#49 Gaming-Planet
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@Serraph105 said:
@Gaming-Planet said:

I live in California.

I feel really underrepresented right now. He's treating us like we're the enemy.

But your state is full of liberals so at least Trump is trying to hurt the right people, right?

Yes I am making a joke.

Mostly the inner city. The rural area of California is moderate to conservative, the people that will mostly be affected by this.

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#50 Gaming-Planet
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@sn0man said:
@Gaming-Planet said:

I live in California.

I feel really underrepresented right now. He's treating us like we're the enemy.

Look at your seditious, ungovernable state.

I think the rest of the country just wishes you would secede already. You might eventually be forced to.

Breh, if we seceded, I'd be fighting along with you.

California can't sustain itself with all of its droughts.