Have you lost trust and respect for police?

Whelp... i just wasted a significant amount of my work time reading through that PBS article before realizing it doesnt even describe the nature of "encounters" black men have with the police compared with white "encounters"

... yeah...

Ugh. If you choose to be a cop do it the right way. Having a bad day at the office and screwing up the numbers on the spreadsheet is not the same as killing someone. And police brutality is a thing that needs to end. Do not excuse that. They are PEACE officers. Yes we need to keep the streets safe. But we shouldn't need to keep them safe from police.

@LJS9502_basic:

I dont know... as a Marine stationed in Okinawa, there was similar stigma concerning our interactions with locals that unfortunately occasionally included crime such as rape. It was clear there wasnt really anything that could be done from our end to stop that either, but it is what it is. Obviously victims and families of victims weren't going to care about anything said or done and just wanted all of us off island immediately.

Again... not excusing anything, we should definitely work on accountability for sure. There's been a California senator on news lately during all of this suggesting prosecution of police needs to come from outside the department or something like that, (i cant remember her name either) and that makes sense to me. Stronger accountability, sure but prevention? Not really possible.

I mean its depends. The department in the town I grew up in has mostly decent cops. The departments in the two neighboring towns are cesspools for corrupt pigs. The cops in the suburb I live in now are pretty cool.

I've literally watched and read feel-good stories of police-civilian interactions, plus stories with officers committing criminal acts.

The media has its issues in biases but blaming the media for the profession's tolerance of bad officers is lazy.

Awesome opinion, but I need counter-data. Link it up. Also good luck refuting the study, your arm-chair stuff won't really work on that one.

Till' then, have fun being wrong.

Oh look, two thugs pushing an elderly man with a cane not doing a goddamn thing.

Where are the poli-oh wait. :/

https://god.dailydot.com/utah-police-shoving-elderly-man/?fbclid=IwAR2DyCVY0E5h8H4s0xLEJ1ddVEpLnOIyKNdY7TVgBYOEZdeGYdwZChKzx6Q

@Sevenizz

Hey buddy, should he call the police on those thugs assaulting him? lol

I'm suprise this hate thread isn't locked yet.

A lot of ignorance in this thread.

@zaryia:

I dont need to counter it... lumping all police encounters together by race without specifying the nature of encounters (example: traffic stops or gang shoot outs) will obviously skew the results.

This isn't a hate thread. It's a reality check.

No one hates the police but many good people are sick and tired of corrupt police officers and the police that enable them to get away with it. We've literally have numerous videos of police committing criminal acts:

-shooting a bystander without cause

-shoving an elderly man with a cane without cause

-kicking a woman into a curb

and many more.

Everytime there's talk of police reform, it's always shot down by those same unions and their political enablers. And btw, no one is excusing the rioters and looters. All this could have been prevented if the police were held accountable for their actions.

I've personally had three instances in my life where I've done nothing wrong and been harassed by police while given bullshit reasoning. When contested, they either backed down or never showed up to court. I acknowledge that not all cops are bad, but at the same time, I've met 4 police personally and two where nice and two where racist Alpha male types. I don't think it's just a "few bad apples." More like a dozen bad orchards honestly. They are a brotherhood, so it's not surprising when they protect their own, even if its illegal or morally wrong.

Someone said in this thread they hate pigs.

Did anyone respond to him?

Was he reported for hate language?

Is his opinion representative of every poster in this thread?

Can't say anything about the Police in US, I am from Sweden, but i had a encounter with cops that made me questions some of them.

2013 early morning (05.20) i heard a loud crash outside my appartment, went outside, saw a new BMW flipped upside down. two guys walks out from the car, bleeding and confused, they tell me not to call the cops and gets away. I, ofcourse, call the cops, same time i am following these dudes. The cops tell me too stop in my tracks and not to go further, which ends up with me loosing them. Cops takes me in (oh i forgot to mention i was in boxers and t-shirt and it was cold outside). The question me, tell me why i can't point out which way they went and i explain to them that the lady in the phone told me that you guys told her to tell me not go any further, afterwards the cops pick me up, question me about the car and how they looked like. Not getting anywhere they get frustrated with ME and tell me to go home. 2 hour from my apartment with train and in cold weather.... no tickets, no wallets. That was the biggest walk of shame I've done. I tried to sue them, but got back that "i did not ask for a ride". The funny thing was, i told them "I will not be getting a ride home? " And the answer i was given "we have other things to do".

I've seen too many instances during the protests and subsequent riots to say it's only a few. I'm sorry but you have to hold cops accountable for force.

@Stevo_the_gamer:

Also the only cases of police brutality we hear about are the ones fortunate enough to be caught on camera. Just imagine how many beatings and sexual harassment by police goes undocumented and unaware by media. You are ignorant if you think that police brutality is not a significant occurrence.

Watch any video of any protest right now and you will see spineless cops beating and teargassing innocent harmless protesters because of their own complex. Police don’t protect anyone just their own forces.

@ratchetclank92: What is your measure of significant occurrence?

@ratchetclank92:

Oh right of course. You mean with like, daily nationwide protests right? And of course its all peaceful right? Sure it is.

@Xabiss: In that very same twitter thread it's brought up immediately that the numbers were biased and that the numbers show that black people per capita die more by police than whites. Johnson even admits it in the thread!

And buddy, you posted it as a response trying to make a point, your point. So you best nut up or shut up. You can't pull the "take it up with the original poster on twitter BS" If you don't want to argue or make points then don't post at all. Your intention from the start was to spread misinformation to prove your point of view.

I can't stand people like you, you don't listen to anyone but yourself because you think you know it all, but you don't. You only listen to people who already share your view point because you're too ignorant to challenge your way of thinking.

And you're a twat. Good night

They never had it to begin with. As individuals, police can be good people, but as an institution it’s a magnet for under qualified bullies.

However people turning this into race problem instead of a human/institutional one are misguided at best and as for the rioters, they’ll use any excuse to act like animals.

I don't like what I've been seeing in the States, but I'm Canadian. I haven't lost respect for our police officers. Personally, I've only had pleasant experiences with them.

@Star67:

Hmm i looked at it and the only thing i noticed was black population die disproportionately if we ignore crime rates by race... but why should we do that?

I've most certainly lost respect for the MPD. Their union chief Bob Kroll and his successor needs to go ASAP. Almost the entire force resides out of the city and they voted this asshole in as their union lead. It's very telling when the police are supporting a very pro Trump douche while 'protecting' a city that whole heartily votes against him.

Not really. Still fully support our men and women in blue...

Yeah, pretty much my view. You rarely hear the good that cops do. No one cares about that. Just the things a small selective do...

Read through the tweet he post his sources. My god you people are helpless. That took me an entire 2 seconds.

All of his resources were posted in the Tweet like I said. Oh and I guess we can only use your citations since you are the god of picking biased studies. Gotcha *eyeroll*

I love how you all attack me for just posting a random tweet as fact when in my message I said the citations are within the tweet. You all really do have piss poor reading comprehension skills!

Many of the people being attacked by police are not the rioters.

@Xabiss: I'm not.....nor apparently is anyone else going to hit up his twitter feed to see subsequent tweets. You posted two tweets with NO sources. Stop being dishonest and telling people to do the work for you.

@LJS9502_basic: I posted the sources from that tweet, his facts are accurate. By all means if you don't like what you see just continue with your false narrative.

I posted the sources since you are to lazy to look through the one tweet with all the information. The truth I know hurts and you all can't handle it obviously. It doesn't fit you narrative so now all you can do is cry. Whatever man. Here let me quote it again since you are to lazy to click. Can't wait to see your excuses next.

The OP should post links. I don't give a flying f*** what you posted.

@LJS9502_basic:

Right, they just conveniently mix with a multitude of peaceful protests who effectively provide cover and can at any moment become rioters. Sounds like fun to deal with.

Refer to the rap group NWA for my position on the police.

No. They are people like everyone else but deal with the public and often dangerous situations. There are always a few bad seeds in any work place. I'm sure most people on average have come across a racist, dickhead, moody, irrational, Karen, hypocrite, judgmental, rebellious or spiteful person who was not in law enforcement. They are everywhere. Sometimes they are your boss, your uncle, a judge or any other position of empowerment over you. That's life and while there's always room for people to improve themselves, don't expect them to.

The only thing they can really do is increase training, psych evaluations, screening, etc but you can't prevent underlying issues that arise due to ever changing life factors or developments of trigger points. For some people their divorce with a difficult ex can send them over the edge, for others it might be financial hardships but everyone can break down and develop a negative attitude that alters their rational thinking and ignore all training and procedures. It's like watching a wore down McDonalds employee spit on someone's burger for giving them attitude on a bad day...it happens more than most like to admit.

@pimphand_gamer:

Yup, pretty much what i've been trying to tell people here too. You can take any profession that exists, put them under the spotlight and ONLY report on negative things they do and it would be the same. Of course we are talking abiut a group of armed people with authority. Given people just dont naturally like being told what to do... well there ya go. Glad A F im not a cop.

Cops systematically targeting and killing black people for the crime of being black in america

vfighter: i sleep

People start retaliating against the system since nobody has been listening to them for decades:

vfighter: whoa now how dare you, faith in humanity lost

:thoughtful_emoji:

I mean you have to respect the police, they make you do that. They force you into it. Sometimes I wish we had those keystone cops or whatever that everybody makes fun of, but the ones I've run into demand respect from everybody or they do in my case anyway. Honestly, this murder is a big thing, but they do several things often that aren't exactly on the up and up. They also will in fact frame you for crimes you didn't commit sometimes. Some of that is actually part of standard business. I'd be curious to know how many police have framed people and leveled some small or even large imaginary charge on someone. Supposudly they do this to "give a warning" that we all are subserviant to them as if were all supposed to be serving the cops. And, if you start to get trepadacioius about the cops, they will sniff you out and give you third degree. I'm sure many have lots of stories about run ins with the cops. I actually have several that I never got around to talking about or felt embarassed to mention. I mean alot of people don't want hear about you and the cops. But, all those cop stories you hear about on TV are probably based in truth somewhere.

Lol you mad bro?

I think you shut their narrative down.

No how childish to think that.

He shut nothing down since he posted it after the fact and frankly the onus is on him to post his sources and not tell everyone else to find them on their own.

As an institution, certainly. They never seemed to mature from their slave-catcher days.

As individuals however, there are still many great people that serve the law, and they are mourning along with the rest of the country and striving to right what keeps going wrong, marching with and protecting the protesters just like they defend every American at any other time.

That said, if a police officer is a member of a department that has another officer that did something wrong, and the department hid the crime and did nothing about it, and yet decided to say nothing....they are a bad cop too. If there are 10 bad cops and 1000 good cops, and the 1000 good cops did not turn in the 10 bad ones, there are 1010 bad cops.

Childish? Why don't you address the sources as opposed to going on an angry rant.

You implied that the twitter statements were not true due to lack of sources. You have now seen the sources.. care to address them?

What exactly am I supposed to get out of the crime statistics? His other sources are behind a subscription and I'm not subscribing. You want to take up his argument be my guest but do not use sources with subscriptions. Go ahead...…….

ROFL I have posted the sources twice now. Let me now do it a third time. I love this liberal you post something three times that shows the truth of the stats that were posted and they still just turn a blind eye saying well you still haven't posted the source. So typical!

@Xabiss: Once again I'm not subscribing to the Post. Try something that doesn't require a subscription. How many times do I have to say that to you. Reading issues? Attention issues?

They are not behind a subscription. All you have to do is scroll down and you can look at everything. Jesus do we need to teach you how to use the Internet? The 2017 and 2018 stats are completely free the 2019 are behind the paywall.

If you understand it backs up what the gentleman tweeted. Lord help us! Seriously I have never seen someone so scared of FACTS in my life or so blind to them because they don't fit there narrative. This is almost laughable!

Has a huge banner across the page. Try again.

Please man you don't have to be scared of the truth. I am not signed in or anything and I can use the site. Seriously this is funny as hell. I have never seen someone so scared of some facts in my entire life.

@Xabiss: That's not what I get. And second I called you out because of a lack of sources. I don't want to discuss the issue with you because I don't agree with your stance.

Exactly you are scared of facts that don't support your side so you automatically discredit them. Thanks for admitting it! Oh and I posted all of the sources and there is even more if you just scrolled through the tweet. Seriously man you are just a joke to me now.