PS3: Justified even more by Microsoft's decision

I like it when a company like Microsoft decides to release ANOTHER version of its console that is basically meant to directly compete with what a console that I own (PS3) already offered to me straight from the beginning.

This decision not only justifies Sony's business model, but it also makes it pretty clear that Microsoft doesn't expect the HD format wars to end in favor of HD-DVD. Otherwise they would have included an HD-DVD player built into the Elite since they would still have two versions (unbelievable) of their console that didn't offer the hardware, thus giving the consumer a fair choice.

I was happy with my purchase back in November and now I'm even happier because it essentially means that I picked the right technology for myself without having to buy different updated versions of my console.

I'm waiting for a troll to come by and ask me what games I'm going to play on my PS3 since apparently it doesn't have any, but my response to that is: What game were you playing if you bought a launch 360? Perfect Dark? Project Gotham Racing 3? Well I have Resistance, Motorstorm and others to keep me busy. I'll have plenty of great games to play within the next few months.

I feel bad for early 360 adopters though because in my opinion Microsoft kind of took a dump on them. If I had bought a 360 a year ago I'd be angry because I would most likely want to upgrade to the version that is essentially the best/finished version of my console. I wouldn't be happy guys. I wouldn't be happy at all.

People just don't understand how good this decision is. All 3 models offer choice.

Core appeals to poor people and parents who just want their children to play games, nothing more. Premium gives you the essential experience. Now Elite will appeal to gaming enthusists that download content off of LIVE like crazy.

Why invest in a HD DVD player? Just download HD movies and TV off of LIVE. Digital distribution is becoming more popular everyday. There is Apple TV among other companies who do it to. Even if Bluray is better then HD DVD, it will be beaten by HD downloading in the near future.  

****The Elite includes HD cables, HDMI cables, and a wireless headset.**** These add to the value. Both PS3's do not have these features out of the box.

Don't mean to troll, but I felt that I had to respond to this. Sony is basically saying that they are an exclusive club. Microsoft's club is "all ages".

No offense. Peace.    

There are flaws in you're opinion. You state that X360 owners are required to purchase multiple versions of their console. This is not the case. The only thing you can't do with the Premium is 1080p through HDMI. You can do 1080p through VGA, even though it doesn't look as good as HDMI, I really doubt someone could tell the difference unless you have it side by side. Regardless, that is the only thing the Elite can do over the X360. Current owners are not required at all to upgrade. And to be honest, when you want to upgrade just for HDMI, you obviously own a great 1080p HDTV and if you own one, you have allot of money I think. I wouldn't be able to afford a HDTV that does 1080p anyway, so the Elite is of no use to me.

Premium and Core models still play every single game and are still 100% compatible with service and online features. Upgrading to an Elite is a choice you might have, but it is no where near required. Another point is that the Premium version (the best version for most people since most people don't have an 1080p HDTV anyway) is still retailing for 399 dollars. That price hasn't changed. So the price difference is still the same as it was before. Although I understand what you are saying, you should realize you are not required to upgrade and for most people there is no reason to get the Elite.

But yes, I'm still playing PGR3 by the way, it's kickin' with the wireless racing wheel. Very awesome. 

I feel bad for early 360 adopters though because in my opinion Microsoft kind of took a dump on them. If I had bought a 360 a year ago I'd be angry because I would most likely want to upgrade to the version that is essentially the best/finished version of my console. I wouldn't be happy guys. I wouldn't be happy at all.

crazygunz

People just don't understand how good this decision is. All 3 models offer choice.

Core appeals to poor people and parents who just want their children to play games, nothing more. Premium gives you the essential experience. Now Elite will appeal to gaming enthusists that download content off of LIVE like crazy.

Why invest in a HD DVD player? Just download HD movies and TV off of LIVE. Digital distribution is becoming more popular everyday. There is Apple TV among other companies who do it to. Even if Bluray is better then HD DVD, it will be beaten by HD downloading in the near future.

****The Elite includes HD cables, HDMI cables, and a wireless headset.**** These add to the value. Both PS3's do not have these features out of the box.

Don't mean to troll, but I felt that I had to respond to this. Sony is basically saying that they are an exclusive club. Microsoft's club is "all ages".

No offense. Peace.

Mark2099

There are flaws in you're opinion. You state that X360 owners are required to purchase multiple versions of their console. This is not the case. The only thing you can't do with the Premium is 1080p through HDMI. You can do 1080p through VGA, even though it doesn't look as good as HDMI, I really doubt someone could tell the difference unless you have it side by side. Regardless, that is the only thing the Elite can do over the X360. Current owners are not required at all to upgrade. And to be honest, when you want to upgrade just for HDMI, you obviously own a great 1080p HDTV and if you own one, you have allot of money I think. I wouldn't be able to afford a HDTV that does 1080p anyway, so the Elite is of no use to me.

Premium and Core models still play every single game and are still 100% compatible with service and online features. Upgrading to an Elite is a choice you might have, but it is no where near required. Another point is that the Premium version (the best version for most people since most people don't have an 1080p HDTV anyway) is still retailing for 399 dollars. That price hasn't changed. So the price difference is still the same as it was before. Although I understand what you are saying, you should realize you are not required to upgrade and for most people there is no reason to get the Elite.

But yes, I'm still playing PGR3 by the way, it's kickin' with the wireless racing wheel. Very awesome.

TheTrueEdge

[QUOTE="Mark2099"]

People just don't understand how good this decision is. All 3 models offer choice.

Core appeals to poor people and parents who just want their children to play games, nothing more. Premium gives you the essential experience. Now Elite will appeal to gaming enthusists that download content off of LIVE like crazy.

Why invest in a HD DVD player? Just download HD movies and TV off of LIVE. Digital distribution is becoming more popular everyday. There is Apple TV among other companies who do it to. Even if Bluray is better then HD DVD, it will be beaten by HD downloading in the near future.

****The Elite includes HD cables, HDMI cables, and a wireless headset.**** These add to the value. Both PS3's do not have these features out of the box.

Don't mean to troll, but I felt that I had to respond to this. Sony is basically saying that they are an exclusive club. Microsoft's club is "all ages".

No offense. Peace.

eclipsed4utoo

Just download HD movies and TV off of LIVE. Digital distribution is becoming more popular everyday. There is Apple TV among other companies who do it to.

Mark2099

I like it when a company like Microsoft decides to release ANOTHER version of its console that is basically meant to directly compete with what a console that I own (PS3) already offered to me straight from the beginning.

This decision not only justifies Sony's business model, but it also makes it pretty clear that Microsoft doesn't expect the HD format wars to end in favor of HD-DVD. Otherwise they would have included an HD-DVD player built into the Elite since they would still have two versions (unbelievable) of their console that didn't offer the hardware, thus giving the consumer a fair choice.

I was happy with my purchase back in November and now I'm even happier because it essentially means that I picked the right technology for myself without having to buy different updated versions of my console.

I'm waiting for a troll to come by and ask me what games I'm going to play on my PS3 since apparently it doesn't have any, but my response to that is: What game were you playing if you bought a launch 360? Perfect Dark? Project Gotham Racing 3? Well I have Resistance, Motorstorm and others to keep me busy. I'll have plenty of great games to play within the next few months.

I feel bad for early 360 adopters though because in my opinion Microsoft kind of took a dump on them. If I had bought a 360 a year ago I'd be angry because I would most likely want to upgrade to the version that is essentially the best/finished version of my console. I wouldn't be happy guys. I wouldn't be happy at all.

crazygunz

The problem is, that the only thing Microsoft is offering is HDMI and a larger hard drive.

For $20 more you can have HDMI, Wi-fi, Blu-ray drive, free online gaming and an upgradeable NON-PROPRIETARY hard driveout of the box.
If you can't see that that is a much better deal, you're just a jaded MS fanboy.

System wars is your friend .......... Why talk about the 360 in the PS3 thread ???? please keep this is system wars thanks.bindip

If you don't see how this topic relates to the PS3 then you have a problem. It's simply an argument for the sake of debate. I didn't know that debate wasn't allowed in public forums anymore. If you don't agree with my post intelligently explain why. Otherwise don't post at all.

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="Mark2099"]

People just don't understand how good this decision is. All 3 models offer choice.

Core appeals to poor people and parents who just want their children to play games, nothing more. Premium gives you the essential experience. Now Elite will appeal to gaming enthusists that download content off of LIVE like crazy.

Why invest in a HD DVD player? Just download HD movies and TV off of LIVE. Digital distribution is becoming more popular everyday. There is Apple TV among other companies who do it to. Even if Bluray is better then HD DVD, it will be beaten by HD downloading in the near future.

****The Elite includes HD cables, HDMI cables, and a wireless headset.**** These add to the value. Both PS3's do not have these features out of the box.

Don't mean to troll, but I felt that I had to respond to this. Sony is basically saying that they are an exclusive club. Microsoft's club is "all ages".

No offense. Peace.

magus-21

[QUOTE="bindip"]System wars is your friend .......... Why talk about the 360 in the PS3 thread ???? please keep this is system wars thanks.crazygunz

If you don't see how this topic relates to the PS3 then you have a problem. It's simply an argument for the sake of debate. I didn't know that debate wasn't allowed in public forums anymore. If you don't agree with my post intelligently explain why. Otherwise don't post at all.

Im not saying i dont agree with your post. Im just saying why even talk about the PS3 in the PS3 THREAD ????? if you want a debate about ps3 and the 360 or other console system wars is the place to be. If you need remind of the rules please read the IMPORTANT before POSTING IN THE PS3 THREAD

The problem is, that the only thing Microsoft is offering is HDMI and a larger hard drive.

For $20 more you can have HDMI, Wi-fi, Blu-ray drive, free online gaming and an upgradeable NON-PROPRIETARY hard driveout of the box.
If you can't see that that is a much better deal, you're just a jaded MS fanboy.

silentmobius

The problem is, that the only thing Microsoft is offering is HDMI and a larger hard drive.

For $20 more you can have HDMI, Wi-fi, Blu-ray drive, free online gaming and an upgradeable NON-PROPRIETARY hard driveout of the box.
If you can't see that that is a much better deal, you're just a jaded MS fanboy.

silentmobius

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="Mark2099"]

People just don't understand how good this decision is. All 3 models offer choice.

Core appeals to poor people and parents who just want their children to play games, nothing more. Premium gives you the essential experience. Now Elite will appeal to gaming enthusists that download content off of LIVE like crazy.

Why invest in a HD DVD player? Just download HD movies and TV off of LIVE. Digital distribution is becoming more popular everyday. There is Apple TV among other companies who do it to. Even if Bluray is better then HD DVD, it will be beaten by HD downloading in the near future.

****The Elite includes HD cables, HDMI cables, and a wireless headset.**** These add to the value. Both PS3's do not have these features out of the box.

Don't mean to troll, but I felt that I had to respond to this. Sony is basically saying that they are an exclusive club. Microsoft's club is "all ages".

No offense. Peace.

magus-21

Im not saying i dont agree with your post. Im just saying why even talk about the PS3 in the PS3 THREAD ????? if you want a debate about ps3 and the 360 or other console system wars is the place to be. If you need remind of the rules please read the IMPORTANT before POSTING IN THE PS3 THREAD

bindip

The thread is about PS3 price justification in today's console gaming market. 

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="Mark2099"]

People just don't understand how good this decision is. All 3 models offer choice.

Core appeals to poor people and parents who just want their children to play games, nothing more. Premium gives you the essential experience. Now Elite will appeal to gaming enthusists that download content off of LIVE like crazy.

Why invest in a HD DVD player? Just download HD movies and TV off of LIVE. Digital distribution is becoming more popular everyday. There is Apple TV among other companies who do it to. Even if Bluray is better then HD DVD, it will be beaten by HD downloading in the near future.

****The Elite includes HD cables, HDMI cables, and a wireless headset.**** These add to the value. Both PS3's do not have these features out of the box.

Don't mean to troll, but I felt that I had to respond to this. Sony is basically saying that they are an exclusive club. Microsoft's club is "all ages".

No offense. Peace.

eclipsed4utoo

[QUOTE="silentmobius"]

The problem is, that the only thing Microsoft is offering is HDMI and a larger hard drive.

For $20 more you can have HDMI, Wi-fi, Blu-ray drive, free online gaming and an upgradeable NON-PROPRIETARY hard driveout of the box.
If you can't see that that is a much better deal, you're just a jaded MS fanboy.

magus-21

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="Mark2099"]

People just don't understand how good this decision is. All 3 models offer choice.

Core appeals to poor people and parents who just want their children to play games, nothing more. Premium gives you the essential experience. Now Elite will appeal to gaming enthusists that download content off of LIVE like crazy.

Why invest in a HD DVD player? Just download HD movies and TV off of LIVE. Digital distribution is becoming more popular everyday. There is Apple TV among other companies who do it to. Even if Bluray is better then HD DVD, it will be beaten by HD downloading in the near future.

****The Elite includes HD cables, HDMI cables, and a wireless headset.**** These add to the value. Both PS3's do not have these features out of the box.

Don't mean to troll, but I felt that I had to respond to this. Sony is basically saying that they are an exclusive club. Microsoft's club is "all ages".

No offense. Peace.

magus-21

I like it when a company like Microsoft decides to release ANOTHER version of its console that is basically meant to directly compete with what a console that I own (PS3) already offered to me straight from the beginning.

This decision not only justifies Sony's business model, but it also makes it pretty clear that Microsoft doesn't expect the HD format wars to end in favor of HD-DVD. Otherwise they would have included an HD-DVD player built into the Elite since they would still have two versions (unbelievable) of their console that didn't offer the hardware, thus giving the consumer a fair choice.

I was happy with my purchase back in November and now I'm even happier because it essentially means that I picked the right technology for myself without having to buy different updated versions of my console.

I'm waiting for a troll to come by and ask me what games I'm going to play on my PS3 since apparently it doesn't have any, but my response to that is: What game were you playing if you bought a launch 360? Perfect Dark? Project Gotham Racing 3? Well I have Resistance, Motorstorm and others to keep me busy. I'll have plenty of great games to play within the next few months.

I feel bad for early 360 adopters though because in my opinion Microsoft kind of took a dump on them. If I had bought a 360 a year ago I'd be angry because I would most likely want to upgrade to the version that is essentially the best/finished version of my console. I wouldn't be happy guys. I wouldn't be happy at all.

crazygunz

Uh...yeah. That's an enitirely objective opinion...please do a little more research before you say things like that. You basically sound like a little kid "Mine's better than yours!"...actually most people on this whole forum are like that. Anyway, I assure you people playing the xbox360 aren't limited to launch titles since it launced over a year ago. Gears keeps them busy. 360 is a fine system. It's definitley geared more towards gaming in general with a smaller focus on media entertainment (even though the marketplace sells stuff...its pricey and you have to use points). But, PS3 is more of an all-around system giving people looking more for media capabilities (blu-ray) a nice toy to have to do the blu-ray trick and maybe if they want a game or two they got a system to play it. Microsoft is actually very smart in not including an HD-DVD player in the Elite. Why? Because they recognize the fact that blu-ray is dominating their field. It would be dumb to put in technology that may in fact die out in a year or so. I think that's pretty business-smart on their part. Sony and Microsoft are no slouches in the business world...I wouldn't run around making claims like that. Please just go to system wars and throw your whiny opinions in around there with everyone else.  

[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="silentmobius"]

The problem is, that the only thing Microsoft is offering is HDMI and a larger hard drive.

For $20 more you can have HDMI, Wi-fi, Blu-ray drive, free online gaming and an upgradeable NON-PROPRIETARY hard driveout of the box.
If you can't see that that is a much better deal, you're just a jaded MS fanboy.

eclipsed4utoo

[QUOTE="crazygunz"]

I like it when a company like Microsoft decides to release ANOTHER version of its console that is basically meant to directly compete with what a console that I own (PS3) already offered to me straight from the beginning.

This decision not only justifies Sony's business model, but it also makes it pretty clear that Microsoft doesn't expect the HD format wars to end in favor of HD-DVD. Otherwise they would have included an HD-DVD player built into the Elite since they would still have two versions (unbelievable) of their console that didn't offer the hardware, thus giving the consumer a fair choice.

I was happy with my purchase back in November and now I'm even happier because it essentially means that I picked the right technology for myself without having to buy different updated versions of my console.

I'm waiting for a troll to come by and ask me what games I'm going to play on my PS3 since apparently it doesn't have any, but my response to that is: What game were you playing if you bought a launch 360? Perfect Dark? Project Gotham Racing 3? Well I have Resistance, Motorstorm and others to keep me busy. I'll have plenty of great games to play within the next few months.

I feel bad for early 360 adopters though because in my opinion Microsoft kind of took a dump on them. If I had bought a 360 a year ago I'd be angry because I would most likely want to upgrade to the version that is essentially the best/finished version of my console. I wouldn't be happy guys. I wouldn't be happy at all.

FEARowns

Uh...yeah. That's an enitirely objective opinion...please do a little more research before you say things like that. You basically sound like a little kid "Mine's better than yours!"...actually most people on this whole forum are like that. Anyway, I assure you people playing the xbox360 aren't limited to launch titles since it launced over a year ago. Gears keeps them busy. 360 is a fine system. It's definitley geared more towards gaming in general with a smaller focus on media entertainment (even though the marketplace sells stuff...its pricey and you have to use points). But, PS3 is more of an all-around system giving people looking more for media capabilities (blu-ray) a nice toy to have to do the blu-ray trick and maybe if they want a game or two they got a system to play it. Microsoft is actually very smart in not including an HD-DVD player in the Elite. Why? Because they recognize the fact that blu-ray is dominating their field. It would be dumb to put in technology that may in fact die out in a year or so. I think that's pretty business-smart on their part. Sony and Microsoft are no slouches in the business world...I wouldn't run around making claims like that. Please just go to system wars and throw your whiny opinions in around there with everyone else.

you do know that you can get blu-ray movies off Amazon for $20.eclipsed4utoo

What's the purpose of renting a movie 4 times? why not just buy it?eclipsed4utoo

people want to buy movies. even with Netflix's huge market, DVD sales are still through the roof. what does this tell us? Even though there are viable solutions for renting, people still want to have the actual media in their hands.eclipsed4utoo

and you have to remember, less than half of the US has broadband internet. and even less in other countries. that's not going to change for years. people are going to be buying discs because they don't have the bandwidth to download a 5GB file.eclipsed4utoo

[QUOTE="FEARowns"][QUOTE="crazygunz"]

I like it when a company like Microsoft decides to release ANOTHER version of its console that is basically meant to directly compete with what a console that I own (PS3) already offered to me straight from the beginning.

This decision not only justifies Sony's business model, but it also makes it pretty clear that Microsoft doesn't expect the HD format wars to end in favor of HD-DVD. Otherwise they would have included an HD-DVD player built into the Elite since they would still have two versions (unbelievable) of their console that didn't offer the hardware, thus giving the consumer a fair choice.

I was happy with my purchase back in November and now I'm even happier because it essentially means that I picked the right technology for myself without having to buy different updated versions of my console.

I'm waiting for a troll to come by and ask me what games I'm going to play on my PS3 since apparently it doesn't have any, but my response to that is: What game were you playing if you bought a launch 360? Perfect Dark? Project Gotham Racing 3? Well I have Resistance, Motorstorm and others to keep me busy. I'll have plenty of great games to play within the next few months.

I feel bad for early 360 adopters though because in my opinion Microsoft kind of took a dump on them. If I had bought a 360 a year ago I'd be angry because I would most likely want to upgrade to the version that is essentially the best/finished version of my console. I wouldn't be happy guys. I wouldn't be happy at all.

eclipsed4utoo

Uh...yeah. That's an enitirely objective opinion...please do a little more research before you say things like that. You basically sound like a little kid "Mine's better than yours!"...actually most people on this whole forum are like that. Anyway, I assure you people playing the xbox360 aren't limited to launch titles since it launced over a year ago. Gears keeps them busy. 360 is a fine system. It's definitley geared more towards gaming in general with a smaller focus on media entertainment (even though the marketplace sells stuff...its pricey and you have to use points). But, PS3 is more of an all-around system giving people looking more for media capabilities (blu-ray) a nice toy to have to do the blu-ray trick and maybe if they want a game or two they got a system to play it. Microsoft is actually very smart in not including an HD-DVD player in the Elite. Why? Because they recognize the fact that blu-ray is dominating their field. It would be dumb to put in technology that may in fact die out in a year or so. I think that's pretty business-smart on their part. Sony and Microsoft are no slouches in the business world...I wouldn't run around making claims like that. Please just go to system wars and throw your whiny opinions in around there with everyone else.

touche...point taken. Ok. Fair enough. Still, the argument was not valid.  

[QUOTE="bindip"]

Im not saying i dont agree with your post. Im just saying why even talk about the PS3 in the PS3 THREAD ????? if you want a debate about ps3 and the 360 or other console system wars is the place to be. If you need remind of the rules please read the IMPORTANT before POSTING IN THE PS3 THREAD

emitsu97

The thread is about PS3 price justification in today's console gaming market.

 PS3 thread rules and this one states:

"This is the PlayStation 3 board. Meaning, you use this board to discuss the PlayStation 3 and its games. This is not the "Xbox 360 sucks" board, nor is it the "PlayStation 3 owns Xbox 360" board. So stop posting about the 360, even if you're using it to try to explain why "the PS3 will be better." Those kinds of posts belong in one place-- System Wars."

read the rules thanks

people want to buy movies. even with Netflix's huge market, DVD sales are still through the roof. what does this tell us? Even though there are viable solutions for renting, people still want to have the actual media in their hands.eclipsed4utoo

and you have to remember, less than half of the US has broadband internet. and even less in other countries. that's not going to change for years. people are going to be buying discs because they don't have the bandwidth to download a 5GB file.eclipsed4utoo

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="FEARowns"][QUOTE="crazygunz"]

I like it when a company like Microsoft decides to release ANOTHER version of its console that is basically meant to directly compete with what a console that I own (PS3) already offered to me straight from the beginning.

This decision not only justifies Sony's business model, but it also makes it pretty clear that Microsoft doesn't expect the HD format wars to end in favor of HD-DVD. Otherwise they would have included an HD-DVD player built into the Elite since they would still have two versions (unbelievable) of their console that didn't offer the hardware, thus giving the consumer a fair choice.

I was happy with my purchase back in November and now I'm even happier because it essentially means that I picked the right technology for myself without having to buy different updated versions of my console.

I'm waiting for a troll to come by and ask me what games I'm going to play on my PS3 since apparently it doesn't have any, but my response to that is: What game were you playing if you bought a launch 360? Perfect Dark? Project Gotham Racing 3? Well I have Resistance, Motorstorm and others to keep me busy. I'll have plenty of great games to play within the next few months.

I feel bad for early 360 adopters though because in my opinion Microsoft kind of took a dump on them. If I had bought a 360 a year ago I'd be angry because I would most likely want to upgrade to the version that is essentially the best/finished version of my console. I wouldn't be happy guys. I wouldn't be happy at all.

FEARowns

Uh...yeah. That's an enitirely objective opinion...please do a little more research before you say things like that. You basically sound like a little kid "Mine's better than yours!"...actually most people on this whole forum are like that. Anyway, I assure you people playing the xbox360 aren't limited to launch titles since it launced over a year ago. Gears keeps them busy. 360 is a fine system. It's definitley geared more towards gaming in general with a smaller focus on media entertainment (even though the marketplace sells stuff...its pricey and you have to use points). But, PS3 is more of an all-around system giving people looking more for media capabilities (blu-ray) a nice toy to have to do the blu-ray trick and maybe if they want a game or two they got a system to play it. Microsoft is actually very smart in not including an HD-DVD player in the Elite. Why? Because they recognize the fact that blu-ray is dominating their field. It would be dumb to put in technology that may in fact die out in a year or so. I think that's pretty business-smart on their part. Sony and Microsoft are no slouches in the business world...I wouldn't run around making claims like that. Please just go to system wars and throw your whiny opinions in around there with everyone else.

touche...point taken. Ok. Fair enough. Still, the argument was not valid.

[QUOTE="TheTrueEdge"]

There are flaws in you're opinion. You state that X360 owners are required to purchase multiple versions of their console. This is not the case. The only thing you can't do with the Premium is 1080p through HDMI. You can do 1080p through VGA, even though it doesn't look as good as HDMI, I really doubt someone could tell the difference unless you have it side by side. Regardless, that is the only thing the Elite can do over the X360. Current owners are not required at all to upgrade. And to be honest, when you want to upgrade just for HDMI, you obviously own a great 1080p HDTV and if you own one, you have allot of money I think. I wouldn't be able to afford a HDTV that does 1080p anyway, so the Elite is of no use to me.

Premium and Core models still play every single game and are still 100% compatible with service and online features. Upgrading to an Elite is a choice you might have, but it is no where near required. Another point is that the Premium version (the best version for most people since most people don't have an 1080p HDTV anyway) is still retailing for 399 dollars. That price hasn't changed. So the price difference is still the same as it was before. Although I understand what you are saying, you should realize you are not required to upgrade and for most people there is no reason to get the Elite.

But yes, I'm still playing PGR3 by the way, it's kickin' with the wireless racing wheel. Very awesome.

eclipsed4utoo

Good point man. Not a lot of ppl have an extra 2000$ lying around for an HDTV. Payments is the way most of us regular people go. 

This is turning into system wars...cloudstrife75

looks at my 1st post..........i new this would happen people need to read the rules how ever good the topic may be 

[QUOTE="FEARowns"][QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="FEARowns"][QUOTE="crazygunz"]

I like it when a company like Microsoft decides to release ANOTHER version of its console that is basically meant to directly compete with what a console that I own (PS3) already offered to me straight from the beginning.

This decision not only justifies Sony's business model, but it also makes it pretty clear that Microsoft doesn't expect the HD format wars to end in favor of HD-DVD. Otherwise they would have included an HD-DVD player built into the Elite since they would still have two versions (unbelievable) of their console that didn't offer the hardware, thus giving the consumer a fair choice.

I was happy with my purchase back in November and now I'm even happier because it essentially means that I picked the right technology for myself without having to buy different updated versions of my console.

I'm waiting for a troll to come by and ask me what games I'm going to play on my PS3 since apparently it doesn't have any, but my response to that is: What game were you playing if you bought a launch 360? Perfect Dark? Project Gotham Racing 3? Well I have Resistance, Motorstorm and others to keep me busy. I'll have plenty of great games to play within the next few months.

I feel bad for early 360 adopters though because in my opinion Microsoft kind of took a dump on them. If I had bought a 360 a year ago I'd be angry because I would most likely want to upgrade to the version that is essentially the best/finished version of my console. I wouldn't be happy guys. I wouldn't be happy at all.

eclipsed4utoo

Uh...yeah. That's an enitirely objective opinion...please do a little more research before you say things like that. You basically sound like a little kid "Mine's better than yours!"...actually most people on this whole forum are like that. Anyway, I assure you people playing the xbox360 aren't limited to launch titles since it launced over a year ago. Gears keeps them busy. 360 is a fine system. It's definitley geared more towards gaming in general with a smaller focus on media entertainment (even though the marketplace sells stuff...its pricey and you have to use points). But, PS3 is more of an all-around system giving people looking more for media capabilities (blu-ray) a nice toy to have to do the blu-ray trick and maybe if they want a game or two they got a system to play it. Microsoft is actually very smart in not including an HD-DVD player in the Elite. Why? Because they recognize the fact that blu-ray is dominating their field. It would be dumb to put in technology that may in fact die out in a year or so. I think that's pretty business-smart on their part. Sony and Microsoft are no slouches in the business world...I wouldn't run around making claims like that. Please just go to system wars and throw your whiny opinions in around there with everyone else.

touche...point taken. Ok. Fair enough. Still, the argument was not valid.

People just don't understand how good this decision is. All 3 models offer choice.

Core appeals to poor people and parents who just want their children to play games, nothing more. Premium gives you the essential experience. Now Elite will appeal to gaming enthusists that download content off of LIVE like crazy.

Why invest in a HD DVD player? Just download HD movies and TV off of LIVE. Digital distribution is becoming more popular everyday. There is Apple TV among other companies who do it to. Even if Bluray is better then HD DVD, it will be beaten by HD downloading in the near future.

****The Elite includes HD cables, HDMI cables, and a wireless headset.**** These add to the value. Both PS3's do not have these features out of the box.

Don't mean to troll, but I felt that I had to respond to this. Sony is basically saying that they are an exclusive club. Microsoft's club is "all ages".

No offense. Peace.

Mark2099

Core for poor people? How judgemental can you be? What if someone got stuck with 20GB simply because they didn't have anymore Premiums? That consumer overall got d*cked and it's no way to slice it. The last time I checked, poor folks do alot better than you think my friend because the know how to bargain shop and get the most for their money so don't sh*t on poor folks. In fact poor folks spend more consumer dollars than the rich because they scared it's gonna leave them overnight and that is a fact. Sometimes too many choices can be a bad thing and that's why this country is in the state that it's in now but anyway digital distribution will not overtake the disk medium for qite some time if not ever, at most I say 50/50. When the internet got hot everyone thought that was the end of malls yet they somehow still exist and will in the future. I'm seeing too many excuses to justify this "elite" as a good thing when it's nothing more than a new paint job and my grandma always told me that you can paint sh*t whatever color you choose and put it in a shiny new box but in the end it's still sh*t...

people want to buy movies. even with Netflix's huge market, DVD sales are still through the roof. what does this tell us? Even though there are viable solutions for renting, people still want to have the actual media in their hands.eclipsed4utoo

and you have to remember, less than half of the US has broadband internet. and even less in other countries. that's not going to change for years. people are going to be buying discs because they don't have the bandwidth to download a 5GB file.eclipsed4utoo

[QUOTE="cloudstrife75"]This is turning into system wars...bindip

looks at my 1st post..........i new this would happen people need to read the rules how ever good the topic may be

Report it.  I honestly don't see anything atrocious in here but since you feel so strongly about it have at the moderation button.  You would have gone out of your mind a couple months ago.

[QUOTE="bindip"]

[QUOTE="cloudstrife75"]This is turning into system wars...emitsu97

looks at my 1st post..........i new this would happen people need to read the rules how ever good the topic may be

Report it. I honestly don't see anything atrocious in here but since you feel so strongly about it have at the moderation button. You would have gone out of your mind a couple months ago.

nah i cba to mod any once since this guy has a fair point but just look at it now its system wars all over...... 

And BluRay is not important, not when MS is adding hundreds of hours of new HD movie content, both new releases and older catalog releases, to its service. Not to mention the Elite comes with a HDMI cable out of the box. It's still inconceivable that Sony didn't include one.magus-21

Blu-Ray is *very* important. I own both a Premium 360 and a 60GB PS3. I bought the PS3 principally for its blu-ray drive (and for linux support on a work related project). Comparing 720p downloads to 1080p blu-ray content doesn't cut it. Blu-ray wins, both for visual quality (it's excellent) and the large variety of new audio codec support. I'm not impressed by this new 'elite' system. I'll be keeping my old 20GB 360 and am glad I bought it with a $100 rebate ($299).

In comparison to the PS3, MS has missed the pricing and features mark with this release. They screwed up. That said, the 360 is a great gaming machine with lots of fun titles. I'll be keeping both systems, thank you.

The problem is, that the only thing Microsoft is offering is HDMI and a larger hard drive.

For $20 more you can have HDMI, Wi-fi, Blu-ray drive, free online gaming and an upgradeable NON-PROPRIETARY hard driveout of the box.
If you can't see that that is a much better deal, you're just a jaded MS fanboy.

silentmobius

PS3 20GB version doesn't have wi-fi.

[QUOTE="silentmobius"]

The problem is, that the only thing Microsoft is offering is HDMI and a larger hard drive.

For $20 more you can have HDMI, Wi-fi, Blu-ray drive, free online gaming and an upgradeable NON-PROPRIETARY hard driveout of the box.
If you can't see that that is a much better deal, you're just a jaded MS fanboy.

eclipsed4utoo

the 20gig version comprises of a next gen BLUE RAY drive which costs more than the elite as a whole.

a 120gig HDD costs just 40$ to make.

the BD drive costs atleast 500$ to make.

Why build a game machine and NEVER change it for 5-6 years?b11051973

The BD drive costs atleast 500$ to make.washimul

[QUOTE="emitsu97"][QUOTE="bindip"]

Im not saying i dont agree with your post. Im just saying why even talk about the PS3 in the PS3 THREAD ????? if you want a debate about ps3 and the 360 or other console system wars is the place to be. If you need remind of the rules please read the IMPORTANT before POSTING IN THE PS3 THREAD

bindip

The thread is about PS3 price justification in today's console gaming market.

 PS3 thread rules and this one states:

"This is the PlayStation 3 board. Meaning, you use this board to discuss the PlayStation 3 and its games. This is not the "Xbox 360 sucks" board, nor is it the "PlayStation 3 owns Xbox 360" board. So stop posting about the 360, even if you're using it to try to explain why "the PS3 will be better." Those kinds of posts belong in one place-- System Wars."

read the rules thanks

[QUOTE="b11051973"]Why build a game machine and NEVER change it for 5-6 years?OldFart1968