no 720p Blu ray on PS3?

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#1 trasherhead
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Ok, I need to know cause my tv only supports 720p, not 1080i as far as I know.
So does this meen the ps3 downscales to 480p or some shait?
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#2 trasherhead
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Come on. I need to know this. Cause if this is the case I have to deliver the tv back to the store and get one with atleast 1080i. Im in europe so im getting the PS3 the 23.
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1080i tvs came out before 720p tvs, so any hdtv on the market should support at least 1080i.

However, if for some strange reason yours doesn't, Sony is introducing dvd upscaling to the ps3 with the March update, so i assume the update would also allow the ps3 to scale BR movies to 720p.

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#4 trasherhead
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ok, thanks for calming my mind. Thought I had done a realy crappy purches. The tv is great and all, just had me abit worryed.
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#5 dmaximum
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If all you want to do is play games then 720p is fine. If you want to watch blu-ray movies then you need a tv capable of displaying 1080i, otherwise your movies will downscale to 480p. Regular dvd's play at 480p and do not upscale regardless of what resolution your tv displays. I hope this helps you.
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#6 Ultimate-Playa
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get a 1080p tv :) 
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get a 1080p tv :) Ultimate-Playa
WOuld like that;) But that is too expensive on my pay check. ANyway. after doing some math i've come up with this. My TV supports up to 1366X768 running at 60fps. Now this is higher pixle count then 1920X1080i at 30 fps. SInce you have to take the number and divid it by 2. SO It should be able to show 1080i, it go enough pixles to do it atleast. I've been trying to get onto the prosucers website but its down atm and I can't seem to find any detailed info. Its a "Dantax lcd-v7 BT" (danish company).
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[QUOTE="Ultimate-Playa"]get a 1080p tv :) trasherhead
WOuld like that;) But that is too expensive on my pay check. ANyway. after doing some math i've come up with this. My TV supports up to 1366X768 running at 60fps. Now this is higher pixle count then 1920X1080i at 30 fps. SInce you have to take the number and divid it by 2. SO It should be able to show 1080i, it go enough pixles to do it atleast. I've been trying to get onto the prosucers website but its down atm and I can't seem to find any detailed info. Its a "Dantax lcd-v7 BT" (danish company).

Hm...I can't seem to find otu too much about that model of television.  Every site's in Dutch! haha.  Let me check around some more, and i'll let you know what i find.
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#9 crck
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It would be very strange to find a LCD tv made in the last 4 years that didnt support 1080i.
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#10 shuriken_ninja
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y not?
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I though all 720p tvs can do 1080i, i might be wrong tho. There are some peeps who know a lot about tvs in this board so maybe one of em could explain. I'm itnerested too, my tv is only 720p
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Every 720p capable tv SHOULD be able to display in 1080i, but they do have those oddball companies out there that do their own thing.

To the tc, I can't find any specifications on this television that tells what resolutions it can output, but i'd say its safe to assume it can display in 1080i.

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1080i tvs came out before 720p tvs, so any hdtv on the market should support at least 1080i.

However, if for some strange reason yours doesn't, Sony is introducing dvd upscaling to the ps3 with the March update, so i assume the update would also allow the ps3 to scale BR movies to 720p.

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They can fix this problem via the firmware?? isn't this a hardware problem??......hopefully it will be able to upscale and downscale soon without any problems.
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That's why you only buy tvs from Sony 8)
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#15 JumpingMirrior
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Just to be safe... ( I assume this is true, but i just wanna be safe,) EVERY PS3 game supports 720p righht?
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#16 ultimameteora
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Still though it should of had a scaler to begin with, looks like somebody is trying to sell blu ray movies, im ashamed to be a sony fan.
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#17 ultimameteora
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Just to be safe... ( I assume this is true, but i just wanna be safe,) EVERY PS3 game supports 720p righht?JumpingMirrior

Games yes, Movies no, for now.
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[QUOTE="JumpingMirrior"]Just to be safe... ( I assume this is true, but i just wanna be safe,) EVERY PS3 game supports 720p righht?ultimameteora

Games yes, Movies no, for now.

GOOD! I dont plan to wath Blu Ray movies and im gonna hook the PS3 up to my Pc's LCD via Component to VGA adapter for cheap HD. ( Im cheap ;) )
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#19 ultimameteora
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However if a blu ray game gets encoded at 1080p and and your tv doesn't do 1080i it will be downscaled to 480, just like the blu ray movies. Hopefully they will fix this.
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#20 Zeke129
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I'll sum up the rest of the thread quickly.

Most 720p TVs made in the past few years are capable of taking a 1080i signal and downscaling it to 720p. You will NOT lose any quality, and it may even look better because it's progressive.

But check your manual first.
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Still though it should of had a scaler to begin with, looks like somebody is trying to sell blu ray movies, im ashamed to be a sony fan.ultimameteora
Um...the ps3 does have a hardware scaler. it just hasn't been fully unlocked yet. :| http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/ps3scaler/
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I have a Samsung Syncmaster 940MG 19" screen - it's one of those 16:10, 1440x900 screens. I'll be connecting my PS3 to it via DVI using an adaptor, can anyone tell me what I'll have to do for Blu-Ray movies and games?
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#23 trasherhead
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[QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

1080i tvs came out before 720p tvs, so any hdtv on the market should support at least 1080i.

However, if for some strange reason yours doesn't, Sony is introducing dvd upscaling to the ps3 with the March update, so i assume the update would also allow the ps3 to scale BR movies to 720p.

ultimameteora
They can fix this problem via the firmware?? isn't this a hardware problem??......hopefully it will be able to upscale and downscale soon without any problems.



I wasn't talking about fixing the TV, I was talking about the PS3 downscaling to 720p insted of 480 from 1080i.
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#24 xuimod
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I though all 720p tvs can do 1080i, i might be wrong tho. There are some peeps who know a lot about tvs in this board so maybe one of em could explain. I'm itnerested too, my tv is only 720pZeLeam
Wrong.
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#25 xuimod
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Every 720p capable tv SHOULD be able to display in 1080i, but they do have those oddball companies out there that do their own thing.

To the tc, I can't find any specifications on this television that tells what resolutions it can output, but i'd say its safe to assume it can display in 1080i.

makingmusic476
Wrong also.
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#26 xuimod
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Damn, you people s*ck.  1080i is 1920 x 1080 (but interlaced), 720p is 1280 x 720.

Most 720p hdtv's can accept 1080i inputs but the image gets downconverted to whatever the native resolution is.

Key word here is native resolution.....say it with me....na-tive....re-sol-u-tion....

This guys native resolution is 1366 x 768 so the 1080i input will be converted down to that native resolution.  Use common sense people, how is a tv that is only capable of 1366 x 768 going to actually display an 1920 x 1080 image (1080i), it doesn't.  The input is accepted but its downconverted.

Again.....na-tive...... re-sol-u-tion.....
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Damn, you people s*ck. 1080i is 1920 x 1080 (but interlaced), 720p is 1280 x 720.

Most 720p hdtv's can accept 1080i inputs but the image gets downconverted to whatever the native resolution is.

Key word here is native resolution.....say it with me....na-tive....re-sol-u-tion....

This guys native resolution is 1366 x 768 so the 1080i input will be converted down to that native resolution. Use common sense people, how is a tv that is only capable of 1366 x 768 going to actually display an 1920 x 1080 image (1080i), it doesn't. The input is accepted but its downconverted.

Again.....na-tive...... re-sol-u-tion.....
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BTW, afaik, Blu-ray can't output in 720p, only outputs in 1080i/p. Thus the blu-ray for ps3 is going to output in 1080i/p and the downconversion (from 1080i to 720p) is going to happen when the signal reaches your tv (assuming it accepts 1080i ****inputs****).
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#28 trasherhead
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[QUOTE="xuimod"]
Damn, you people s*ck. 1080i is 1920 x 1080 (but interlaced), 720p is 1280 x 720.

Most 720p hdtv's can accept 1080i inputs but the image gets downconverted to whatever the native resolution is.

Key word here is native resolution.....say it with me....na-tive....re-sol-u-tion....

This guys native resolution is 1366 x 768 so the 1080i input will be converted down to that native resolution. Use common sense people, how is a tv that is only capable of 1366 x 768 going to actually display an 1920 x 1080 image (1080i), it doesn't. The input is accepted but its downconverted.

Again.....na-tive...... re-sol-u-tion.....
xuimod
BTW, afaik, Blu-ray can't output in 720p, only outputs in 1080i/p. Thus the blu-ray for ps3 is going to output in 1080i/p and the downconversion (from 1080i to 720p) is going to happen when the signal reaches your tv (assuming it accepts 1080i ****inputs****).

You are probably right. but isn't 1080i, when its shown on screen doesn't it in reality show only 1920x540 since its interlaced it only shows half of the screen at any time? just ask.
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[QUOTE="xuimod"][QUOTE="xuimod"]
Damn, you people s*ck. 1080i is 1920 x 1080 (but interlaced), 720p is 1280 x 720.

Most 720p hdtv's can accept 1080i inputs but the image gets downconverted to whatever the native resolution is.

Key word here is native resolution.....say it with me....na-tive....re-sol-u-tion....

This guys native resolution is 1366 x 768 so the 1080i input will be converted down to that native resolution. Use common sense people, how is a tv that is only capable of 1366 x 768 going to actually display an 1920 x 1080 image (1080i), it doesn't. The input is accepted but its downconverted.

Again.....na-tive...... re-sol-u-tion.....
trasherhead
BTW, afaik, Blu-ray can't output in 720p, only outputs in 1080i/p. Thus the blu-ray for ps3 is going to output in 1080i/p and the downconversion (from 1080i to 720p) is going to happen when the signal reaches your tv (assuming it accepts 1080i ****inputs****).

You are probably right. but isn't 1080i, when its shown on screen doesn't it in reality show only 1920x540 since its interlaced it only shows half of the screen at any time? just ask.

And if what I said is correct then my tv( 1366x768 ) shows 1049088 pixles and 1920*1080i (1920*540) shows 1036800 pixles. Again just thinking.
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#30 trasherhead
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[QUOTE="trasherhead"][QUOTE="xuimod"][QUOTE="xuimod"]
Damn, you people s*ck. 1080i is 1920 x 1080 (but interlaced), 720p is 1280 x 720.

Most 720p hdtv's can accept 1080i inputs but the image gets downconverted to whatever the native resolution is.

Key word here is native resolution.....say it with me....na-tive....re-sol-u-tion....

This guys native resolution is 1366 x 768 so the 1080i input will be converted down to that native resolution. Use common sense people, how is a tv that is only capable of 1366 x 768 going to actually display an 1920 x 1080 image (1080i), it doesn't. The input is accepted but its downconverted.

Again.....na-tive...... re-sol-u-tion.....
trasherhead
BTW, afaik, Blu-ray can't output in 720p, only outputs in 1080i/p. Thus the blu-ray for ps3 is going to output in 1080i/p and the downconversion (from 1080i to 720p) is going to happen when the signal reaches your tv (assuming it accepts 1080i ****inputs****).

You are probably right. but isn't 1080i, when its shown on screen doesn't it in reality show only 1920x540 since its interlaced it only shows half of the screen at any time? just ask.

And if what I said is correct then my tv(1366x768 ) shows 1049088 pixles and 1920*1080i (1920*540) shows 1036800 pixles. Again just thinking.

Should have added that on PC setting it can show 1280*1024 which is 1310720 pixles.
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why not it would make the movie look better.
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why not it would make the movie look better.shuriken_ninja
huh? what are you answering to?
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#33 xuimod
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[QUOTE="xuimod"][QUOTE="xuimod"]
Damn, you people s*ck. 1080i is 1920 x 1080 (but interlaced), 720p is 1280 x 720.

Most 720p hdtv's can accept 1080i inputs but the image gets downconverted to whatever the native resolution is.

Key word here is native resolution.....say it with me....na-tive....re-sol-u-tion....

This guys native resolution is 1366 x 768 so the 1080i input will be converted down to that native resolution. Use common sense people, how is a tv that is only capable of 1366 x 768 going to actually display an 1920 x 1080 image (1080i), it doesn't. The input is accepted but its downconverted.

Again.....na-tive...... re-sol-u-tion.....
trasherhead
BTW, afaik, Blu-ray can't output in 720p, only outputs in 1080i/p. Thus the blu-ray for ps3 is going to output in 1080i/p and the downconversion (from 1080i to 720p) is going to happen when the signal reaches your tv (assuming it accepts 1080i ****inputs****).

You are probably right. but isn't 1080i, when its shown on screen doesn't it in reality show only 1920x540 since its interlaced it only shows half of the screen at any time? just ask.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i 1080i has...' ....a frame resolution of 1920 × 1080 or about 2.07 million pixels, and a field resolution of 1920 × 1080 / 2 (because it's interlaced) or about 1.04 million pixels....' '....1080i is compatible with newer 720p- and 1080p-based televisions but must be deinterlaced first in order to be displayed on those sets.....' for more on de-interlacing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinterlacing