Why 2014 is the right time to upgrade, not 2013

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#1 yachtboy
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2013 will see the release of Haswell, 700 series cards, and cheaper ssd prices. But Haswell will still be 22nm, only include partial integration of circuits, and highly likely to be a deadend in terms of future upgrades within the socket. The 700 series is simply a reash of the 600 series and likely to only give a 15% improvement. SSD prices continue to fall and recent releases of products like the Samsung 840 pro has greatly reduced write times. However games can take up 20gbs... and a 512gb ssd is still out of reach for most.

2014 will see the release of Broadwell which will highly likely support DDR4 ram, highly likely include a socket that is upgradeable to skylake, be 14nms and use less power and be more overclockable, and include complete integration. The 800 series will see the release of maxwell and be a true upgrade from the Kepler core. DDR4 ram will finally be out and use far less power. 1tb SSDs will be able to replace physical hard drives for the vaste majority of gamers... sure we will still need a nice 2 or 3tb drive for backups and mass storage of photos, videos, etc... but all of our software will get put on an SSD. 4k monitors will also just now be hitting the market at prices that are fairly reasonable. Finally, with the release of the ps4 and xbox 720... games will finally be ready to move beyond 360 and ps3 ports.

So until 2014, I think my 1055t 460ti system will held up fine.

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#2 GummiRaccoon
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1) vaste

2) motherboard soldered CPUs

3) upgrade whenever you feel your system is slow, if that happens in 2013, do it then

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#3 yachtboy
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Intel already denied the soldered cpu rumor. Sure, I plan on upgrading the video card to sli on ebay for next to nothing... and an ssd boot drive for next to nothing. But of course I am talking about a new build. 2013 is going to be a very very boring year for pc hardware.
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#4 FelipeInside
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There is never a perfect time to wait or upgrade. Every time you build a new PC or upgrade, it will become old in 2-3 months, doesn't matter when. My games are struggling and I've lost a memory module as well on my 4 year old PC. I need to upgrade next year.
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#5 bigbeebis
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I am not going to upgrade until mid 2014 unless my computer catches fire.
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#6 hartsickdiscipl
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There are plenty of people who will upgrade to Ivy Bridge in 2013, just not Haswell. I plan on getting a Geforce 700/Radeon HD8000 series card in 2013, as my GPU will be over 2 years old when they come out. People should upgrade when they feel that they need/really want it and have the money.

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#7 5SI-GonePostal
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WOOOOOOW. Chill people you are missing the overal idea of the post - the OP isnt saying dont upgrade but pointing out that 2013 overal is a bad year for hardware with nothing major and mainly just power saving being the priority.

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#8 NamelessPlayer
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I don't know if I can wait another year. I've been waiting five years already to move on from the Q6600 and 8800 GT, and with games like PlanetSide 2 being more demanding than the likes of Crysis, it's only a matter of time before I can put up with such low framerates due to CPU limitations. Here's hoping that Haswell can manhandle PS2 at 60 FPS even during the busiest battles.
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#9 en3sge
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[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"]I don't know if I can wait another year. I've been waiting five years already to move on from the Q6600 and 8800 GT, and with games like PlanetSide 2 being more demanding than the likes of Crysis, it's only a matter of time before I can put up with such low framerates due to CPU limitations. Here's hoping that Haswell can manhandle PS2 at 60 FPS even during the busiest battles.

And there was me thinking my gtx 580 needed an upgrade. You sir are well overdue!
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#10 --Anna--
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There is never a perfect time to wait or upgrade. Every time you build a new PC or upgrade, it will become old in 2-3 months, doesn't matter when. My games are struggling and I've lost a memory module as well on my 4 year old PC. I need to upgrade next year.FelipeInside

FelipeInside is right, there is no perfect time to upgrade. Just upgrade when you need to...and don't wait for the next great thing that's coming.

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#11 halokillerz
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WOOOOOOW. Chill people you are missing the overal idea of the post - the OP isnt saying dont upgrade but pointing out that 2013 overal is a bad year for hardware with nothing major and mainly just power saving being the priority.

5SI-GonePostal
Not really, OP is pretty much saying don't upgrade until 2014. And even though the posts are saying upgrade whenever you need to, none of them seem like they're being said in a rude manner
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#12 yachtboy
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5si is right, the overall idea is that 2013 is going to be a bad year. If you have really old hardware... By all means upgrade... Life is too short to wait and wait forever. But if you can hold off until 2014, some exciting stuff is going to be coming out.
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#13 deactivated-5f768591970d3
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Ive always been a build a new PC every 3 year guy and always put a new video card in halfway through. Money isnt an issue so I dont worry about bang for the buck, I always overspend.Haswell should be a nice jump from Nehelam.

The PC in my sig is now over 3 years old. Im a little disspointed in the Haswell delay but I will wait until the summer to build as Id rather not buy a 3770k and then haswell release 4 months later. Was going to add a samsung 840 500gb this weekend as they were on sale, but I am just going to wait for the new haswell build and go from scratch

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#14 ShadowDeathX
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I'm not upgrading until Skylake. Broadwell will only support DDR4 ram on servers. Skylake is the one that will support it on consumer end PCs.
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My CPU is fine and I can still overclock it but my GPU is starting to age now.
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My CPU is fine and I can still overclock it but my GPU is starting to age now.clyde46

A baby starts to age before it's even born.

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#17 imprezawrx500
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My CPU is fine and I can still overclock it but my GPU is starting to age now.clyde46
gtx580 starting to age? Seriously dude I'm still rocking my 8800gt still runs most games ok, will need an upgrade soon though.
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I'm strongly considering the 8000 series AMD cards. My 6950s still max some games but games that are VRAM intensive kill my performance. I need to get either a 3 or 4GB card since that us what's bogging my performance
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#19 LordRork
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I've still got a top of the line graphics card and my system is pretty zippy. I should have no reason to upgrade during 2013, possibly not even 2014 unless the next generation of console/multi-plat games dramatically raise the bar (which I doubt they will).

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[QUOTE="clyde46"]My CPU is fine and I can still overclock it but my GPU is starting to age now.imprezawrx500
gtx580 starting to age? Seriously dude I'm still rocking my 8800gt still runs most games ok, will need an upgrade soon though.

Not enough VRAM.
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#21 dramaybaz
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I have been waiting on Haswell for more than a year (only a handful of games require an upgrade to max them, so I could wait). However, I don't think I can wait till the next series , and from what I have read, motherboard soldered CPUs..
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#22 Mozuckint
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]I'm not upgrading until Skylake. Broadwell will only support DDR4 ram on servers. Skylake is the one that will support it on consumer end PCs.

Ditto :P
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]I'm not upgrading until Skylake. Broadwell will only support DDR4 ram on servers. Skylake is the one that will support it on consumer end PCs.

Do you know how significant will be difference in performance from DDR3 to 4? I don't want to wait that long lol.
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#24 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]I'm not upgrading until Skylake. Broadwell will only support DDR4 ram on servers. Skylake is the one that will support it on consumer end PCs.

Do you know how significant will be difference in performance from DDR3 to 4? I don't want to wait that long lol.

http://www.micron.com/products/dram/ddr3-to-ddr4 This?
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#25 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="dramaybaz"][QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]I'm not upgrading until Skylake. Broadwell will only support DDR4 ram on servers. Skylake is the one that will support it on consumer end PCs.

Do you know how significant will be difference in performance from DDR3 to 4? I don't want to wait that long lol.

http://www.micron.com/products/dram/ddr3-to-ddr4 This?

And then when DDR4 comes out, you'll be waiting for DDR5....the cycle never ends, lol....
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="clyde46"]My CPU is fine and I can still overclock it but my GPU is starting to age now.clyde46
gtx580 starting to age? Seriously dude I'm still rocking my 8800gt still runs most games ok, will need an upgrade soon though.

Not enough VRAM.

This, 1.5GB is a joke now for maxing games at higher res.
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] gtx580 starting to age? Seriously dude I'm still rocking my 8800gt still runs most games ok, will need an upgrade soon though.mitu123
Not enough VRAM.

This, 1.5GB is a joke now for maxing games at higher res.

What do you consider a "higher res?"

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#28 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Not enough VRAM. hartsickdiscipl

This, 1.5GB is a joke now for maxing games at higher res.

What do you consider a "higher res?"

1440p/1600p(which I'm doing currently on my monitor), 2160p,multi monitor res, etc.

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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="dramaybaz"] Do you know how significant will be difference in performance from DDR3 to 4? I don't want to wait that long lol.FelipeInside
http://www.micron.com/products/dram/ddr3-to-ddr4 This?

And then when DDR4 comes out, you'll be waiting for DDR5....the cycle never ends, lol....

Sounds insignificant for gaming performance.

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#30 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] This, 1.5GB is a joke now for maxing games at higher res.mitu123

What do you consider a "higher res?"

1440p/1600p(which I'm doing currently on my monitor), 2160p,multi monitor res, etc.

Ahh, ok. That makes sense. I've been fine with a fast 1GB card at 1080p, but I can see needing 2GB+ for 1440p or higher.

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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] gtx580 starting to age? Seriously dude I'm still rocking my 8800gt still runs most games ok, will need an upgrade soon though.

Not enough VRAM.

This, 1.5GB is a joke now for maxing games at higher res.

Most people don't have a resolution over 1080p. The monitors are simply too expensive for the higher resolution to be worth it for most people.
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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Not enough VRAM. Toxic-Seahorse
This, 1.5GB is a joke now for maxing games at higher res.

Most people don't have a resolution over 1080p. The monitors are simply too expensive for the higher resolution to be worth it for most people.

In the mid 90's I bought a 17 inch NEC CRT monitor for 700 bucks and this was back when money was actually worth something.

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#33 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Not enough VRAM. Toxic-Seahorse
This, 1.5GB is a joke now for maxing games at higher res.

Most people don't have a resolution over 1080p. The monitors are simply too expensive for the higher resolution to be worth it for most people.

This is where I'm at right now. I'd love to get a 2560x1440 monitor and a beefier GPU with 3gb+ of VRAM, but the cost of that upgrade would be too high.

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#34 abuabed
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For me 2013 is the perfect time to upgrade. I'm running a ~4 years old PC which is starting to show its age.
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#35 GulliversTravel
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The new consoles are coming so theyll be huge leaps in graphics and new hardware to go with it. The initial stuff will be expensive but after some time itll become affordable. Look at the 7800 GTX, became quickly outdated, the 8800 GTX was a big improvement but with a huge price tag but after that came the 8800 GT which marked the the era we are now in of extremely affordable but powerful GPUs.