Steam I hate you

I use to always opt for the PC version of games (I own360,PS3,wii) but now games which uses Steam you can't sell, so I'll either pick the console version…or People can just open a new steam account for every game and just sell the game after they are done and give their email account and password they have used. Steam claim that it provided value to their customers, I think they are only talking about the game developers and not the gamers. Seriously why can you resell every other game you "OWN" except the ones that use Steam. Gamers should start to take notice and talk about it or nothing is going to change. It is your game sell it when you want to.

I like it this way, especially when I pay much less for my games. The second hand games market that gamestop has going sickens me, sell for $5 less than new while ripping kids off?

I don't sell my games, so I don't care.

it's not just Steam, most games use accounts that tie to other "networks".

If you're so into reselling your games (which is illegal on everything, even if it's common on consoles), you should have done your homework and avoid games that you can't sell, not buy them anyway and complain how it's unfair...

Reselling games is unfair to the developers, and you can sell any game that you haven't played.

And Steam more than makes up for it with the sales.

Reselling games is unfair to the developers, and you can sell any game that you haven't played.

And Steam more than makes up for it with the sales.

Am_Confucius

[QUOTE="Am_Confucius"]

Reselling games is unfair to the developers, and you can sell any game that you haven't played.

And Steam more than makes up for it with the sales.

MonsterMMORPG

I don't sell my games, so I don't care.

Johnny_Rock

Same here

What justification is there for any game company to deprive you of what you please with the product you own, that you paid in full for? Video games aren't cheap, and while Steam is fantastic for the sales it provides, used sales allow more freedom for gamers such as myself.

What justification is there for any game company to deprive you of what you please with the product you own, that you paid in full for? Video games aren't cheap, and while Steam is fantastic for the sales it provides, used sales allow more freedom for gamers such as myself.

Socijalisticka

What kind of money can one make off games they bought for a couple of bucks?Hexagon_777

The game has already been paid for in full, used games only allow people who can't afford to buy new. It actually helps the developers, as if I feel satisfied with the used product, I am much more willing to invest in future products of theirs.

These days I have found it's CHEAPER to buy a new game then take a risk with a used game. FelipeInside

That is often the case unfortunately.

Reselling games is unfair to the developers, and you can sell any game that you haven't played.

And Steam more than makes up for it with the sales.

Am_Confucius

This, This, and This... used game sales have really hurt console developers (especially Quantic Dream). If you really want to save money, just wait for sales.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]These days I have found it's CHEAPER to buy a new game then take a risk with a used game. Socijalisticka

That is often the case unfortunately.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]What kind of money can one make off games they bought for a couple of bucks?Socijalisticka

The game has already been paid for in full, used games only allow people who can't afford to buy new. It actually helps the developers, as if I feel satisfied with the used product, I am much more willing to invest in future products of theirs.

Never trade my games in eithe..Hell i still own atari and colecovision games rofl..Even have some old gold box games even the 1st civilization games..I love steam for the fact it brought our genre back into the main stream..If it wasnt for steam pc gaming wouldve died a slow death..It brought back gaming to my fav plat form..Get over it its here to stay and im glad for ty steam for saving our community..Thank you valve for resurrecting our dead genre..Brought back our genre from the dead..We have life where we where on life support..Lets not forget this people..

there is hardly a market for used pc games...why would u even bother selling/buying used pc games...especially with all teh drm and stuff nowadays...steam all the way

[QUOTE="MonsterMMORPG"][QUOTE="Am_Confucius"]

Reselling games is unfair to the developers, and you can sell any game that you haven't played.

And Steam more than makes up for it with the sales.

TerrorRizzing

And why cant a house or a car not be compared to software? its the excat same concept. But if you want we can take movies, music, programs, mobiles or tvs. Its the excat same concept the ones who have orginal made it does not get anything out of it being resold, thats just the way of the world and the way of one of the most important principals in a democracy , The right to own something 100% and not just 50% or 20% like some gaming companys want.

there is hardly a market for used pc games...why would u even bother selling/buying used pc games...especially with all teh drm and stuff nowadays...steam all the way

lpjazzman220

This isn't really steam's fault, it's just the direction that the gaming industry is going.

reselling games is right up there with piracy on having the biggest impact on the gaming industry.dannenissan2

[QUOTE="dannenissan2"]reselling games is right up there with piracy on having the biggest impact on the gaming industry.Jacanuk

Well you could buy a console game new for $60 and resell it for $40 if you are lucky.

On Steam you can buy something on sale for $30 or less without reselling it.

I'd rather go with Steam.

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"][QUOTE="dannenissan2"]reselling games is right up there with piracy on having the biggest impact on the gaming industry.FelipeInside

[QUOTE="Jacanuk"][QUOTE="dannenissan2"]reselling games is right up there with piracy on having the biggest impact on the gaming industry.FelipeInside

I used to try to sell my used pc games on ebay. Turned out to be too much of a hassle and a bad way to make money, especially considering I rebought the same game sometimes.

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]What kind of money can one make off games they bought for a couple of bucks?Socijalisticka

The game has already been paid for in full, used games only allow people who can't afford to buy new. It actually helps the developers, as if I feel satisfied with the used product, I am much more willing to invest in future products of theirs.

How is buying a used game helping a developer? You do realize that any used game, any money the game makes in profit is strictly to the company that is selling the game.

For example. You buy Skyrim for $60 from "X Company". The company has already paid the developer money for the copy and then made a little money on the game themself.

You play the game, beat it and a couple months later you take that game and sell to "Y Company" for $20 and the game is still selling $60 new. "Y Company"marks the game used for $50. Someone buys the used copy for $50. "Y Company" just made $30 on the used copy...none of it goes to anyone else.

This is how Gamestop makes most of their money, selling used games. Any profit made on selling a used game is simply that, pure profit.

How is buying a used game helping a developer? You do realize that any used game, any money the game makes in profit is strictly to the company that is selling the game.

For example. You buy Skyrim for $60 from "X Company". The company has already paid the developer money for the copy and then made a little money on the game themself.

You play the game, beat it and a couple months later you take that game and sell to "Y Company" for $20 and the game is still selling $60 new. "Y Company"marks the game used for $50. Someone buys the used copy for $50. "Y Company" just made $30 on the used copy...none of it goes to anyone else.

This is how Gamestop makes most of their money, selling used games. Any profit made on selling a used game is simply that, pure profit.

While it doesn't matter in the case of Steam because the games are frequently sold at a discount, used game sales can help developers in the sense that customers share the cost of the purchase and increase volume.

If a guy buys a game for $60 and sells it for $30, the dev gets $30 per person. Some people won't buy a game for $60 if they can't resell it (especially if the game isn't spectacular). Take away used sales and people are much less likely to pay $60 for a game that isn't absolutely incredible. Then the developer gets nothing. I know I bought games I wasn't totally interested in because I knew after I sold it, it would only end up costing me about $30. They still got my money.

This is the same amount as two separate people buying a game %50 off on steam. The dev still gets $60 total.

The question is,: do they make more or lose more from used sales (where people share the initial cost)? Used sales definitely increase volume. Considering that developers on Steam said that they made more from a Steam sale weekend than they did during the first month of release leads me to think that used sales don't hurt the industry as much as they think. They are a bunch of whiners that blame everything for their lack of success instead of looking at the quality of their products.

people still want to sell PC games? :lol: that hasn't been a relevant thing in a decade

You knew what you were getting when you bought it. There is no reason to hate steam. They have had such great deals I have saved way more than I ever would have made selling old games.

I use to always opt for the PC version of games (I own360,PS3,wii) but now games which uses Steam you can't sell, so I'll either pick the console version…or People can just open a new steam account for every game and just sell the game after they are done and give their email account and password they have used. Steam claim that it provided value to their customers, I think they are only talking about the game developers and not the gamers. Seriously why can you resell every other game you "OWN" except the ones that use Steam. Gamers should start to take notice and talk about it or nothing is going to change. It is your game sell it when you want to.

pharomarc

This is the way how it runs, people who love one game is willing to buy a new one with full price, and when are bored with it, they sell it to someone who don't wanna pay the full price, and it becomes a double-win thing, that's the reason why there are still second-hand market existing everywhere and in every industries

[QUOTE="MonsterMMORPG"][QUOTE="Am_Confucius"]

Reselling games is unfair to the developers, and you can sell any game that you haven't played.

And Steam more than makes up for it with the sales.

TerrorRizzing

[QUOTE="lpjazzman220"]

there is hardly a market for used pc games...why would u even bother selling/buying used pc games...especially with all teh drm and stuff nowadays...steam all the way

Jacanuk

if you would read my post again i said USED PC GAMES...not console games...u cant sell pc games to gamestop because they know how easy it is to pirate them...buy a game...download crack...return 2 hours later...i mean honestly...what store is stupid enough to let u do that...