Should we oust the term consolisation? (Boll Poll)

The lines have been drawn in the sand.

Would people like to banish the word consolisation? Lets face it. Its a pretty dumb phrase. It doesn't roll of your tongue like others! Egalitarian!

Whenever someone uses it or criticises it we can just refer to this amendment signed by the board! (Whatever the result)

Make your choice!

Get rid of it.

I personally hate it. It's used by a bunch of PC gamers who want something to complain about while feeling superior at the same time. This is coming from a guy who has recently converted to PC gaming, I thought the Xbox Live community was bad, but the PC gaming community is absolutely toxic.

This is the worst term ever since the trend facepalming started.

Consolization is a very valid term.Remmib

I voted no lets keep it yah :lol:

Great spelling, favorite aussie stuff, cricket team when waugh brothers played (steve waugh is one of the best), wolf creek, abbie cornish...

back on topic nah lets keep it.

Keep it. Who the hat fits -- let them wear it.

Although, I'll happily concede that it probably does get tossed around a bit too much and sometimes maybe even undeservedly so. That's why I personally prefer the term, "Dumbed Down!" :D

Keep it. Who the hat fits -- let them wear it.

Although, I'll happily concede that it probably does get tossed around a bit too much and sometimes maybe even undeservedly so. That's why I personally prefer the term, "Dumbed Down!" :D

-wildflower-

Get rid of it!

A real PC poll would have 3 or more options, clearly this thread has been consolised. I was an early adopter of the term back in the days of Invisible War, it has recently become very popular and is frequently overused. Games are multiplatform these days and like it or not the consoles outnumber the PC. The games are always going to be tailored more to the popular platforms. I think there are definitely things that should be change to fit with PC but they often don't make it at launch do to publishers wanting to release all versions at the same time. I think Crysis 2 and the dx11 patch is probably a decent example of this. Consolisation is also used to indicate the game is "dumber" or "easier" when really all this probably reflects is the increasing popularity of video games and appealing to a wider audience on all platforms. Internet magnifies emotions and quickly makes minor stuff spiral out of control.nutcrackr

No, I think this term can be used as many times as it likes. Take for example crysis 2, the game obviously didnt pan out the same if it were an pc exclusive like dx11 at launch. Battlefield series dumbing down to 32players as oppose to its pc-exclusive predecssors 64 players, though is a spinoff, but is still made by dice.

Do we need mw2 p2p reminder :rolleyes: ?

Consolization is a real crisis. Why hide it? It's happening everyday! People must know!

Dumbed down is far worse in my opinion. Even more overused, especially because people can't seem to distinguish the difference between dumbed down and streamlined.Grodus5

Then there are those who might argue that the two terms (dumbed down and stream-lined) are virtually interchangeable, synonymous even. Opinions differ. One thing is certain though, the landscape is changing and some people are okay with it while others aren't.

/shrug

C'est la vie.

I personally hate it. It's used by a bunch of PC gamers who want something to complain about while feeling superior at the same time. This is coming from a guy who has recently converted to PC gaming, I thought the Xbox Live community was bad, but the PC gaming community is absolutely toxic.

Grodus5

While the term does have practical applications it has been overused to the point of it losing all sway.

For the most part I think problems with a game should be criticised as being an issue with the individual game itself, not a byproduct of multiplatform development. There are lots of multiplats that have just as many features as a good PC exclusive. Just look at Far Cry 2, Just Cause 2 or Metro 2033.

Perhaps the term 'developer lazified' would be more accurate for describing scenarios where PC versions of games include impractical UI's and control schemes that are similar to what works on consoles. There is nothing stopping a dev from making seperate a UI etc. that works better with PC's.

[QUOTE="Grodus5"]

I personally hate it. It's used by a bunch of PC gamers who want something to complain about while feeling superior at the same time. This is coming from a guy who has recently converted to PC gaming, I thought the Xbox Live community was bad, but the PC gaming community is absolutely toxic.

Englando_IV

Yea, Grodus5, you have no idea what consoles have done to Pc games. Its not a fact about being superior. Its the fact of getting stuck with **** simple games.

[QUOTE="Grodus5"] Dumbed down is far worse in my opinion. Even more overused, especially because people can't seem to distinguish the difference between dumbed down and streamlined.-wildflower-

Then there are those who might argue that the two terms (dumbed down and stream-lined) are virtually interchangeable, synonymous even. Opinions differ. One thing is certain though, the landscape is changing and some people are okay with it while others aren't.

/shrug

C'est la vie.

Its such a stupid term and its getting sad how much its being tossed around. Its getting to the point where every Multiplat is getting slapped with the term "consolized" Hell People were even calling games like Bad Company 2 consolized :?. People need to understand the difference between a multiplat game and a "consolized" one,gmaster456

In a way it was if you compare it to bf2 and it being overly dependent on the cpu

[QUOTE="Englando_IV"][QUOTE="Grodus5"]

I personally hate it. It's used by a bunch of PC gamers who want something to complain about while feeling superior at the same time. This is coming from a guy who has recently converted to PC gaming, I thought the Xbox Live community was bad, but the PC gaming community is absolutely toxic.

morrowindnic

Yea, Grodus5, you have no idea what consoles have done to Pc games. Its not a fact about being superior. Its the fact of getting stuck with **** simple games.

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[QUOTE="Englando_IV"] The fact that you recently "converted" is probably why the effects of consolization are not obvious to you.Grodus5

Yea, Grodus5, you have no idea what consoles have done to Pc games. Its not a fact about being superior. Its the fact of getting stuck with **** simple games.

how else would you describe a game ruined by the need for developers to technelogically cripple it in order to get it to function right on consoles?

I'm putting you in my will. You can have my pork pie hat. Although we might not agree with the direction sometimes, we do have to acknowledge that the field is yes indeed larger than ever.

biggest_loser

People overuse it and usually overblow situations but the fact of the matter is consolization is real thing. And the term should stay. People just need to know how to use it.

Was this term used last gen, and the gen before that, and that, and it goes on.

:P

Was this term used last gen, and the gen before that, and that, and it goes on.

:P

mitu123

It wasn't because consolization wasn't a problem until this generation.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Was this term used last gen, and the gen before that, and that, and it goes on.

:P

GummiRaccoon

It wasn't because consolization wasn't a problem until this generation.

While the term does have practical applications it has been overused to the point of it losing all sway.

For the most part I think problems with a game should be criticised as being an issue with the individual game itself, not a byproduct of multiplatform development. There are lots of multiplats that have just as many features as a good PC exclusive. Just look at Far Cry 2, Just Cause 2 or Metro 2033.

Perhaps the term 'developer lazified' would be more accurate for describing scenarios where PC versions of games include impractical UI's and control schemes that are similar to what works on consoles. There is nothing stopping a dev from making seperate a UI etc. that works better with PC's.

with_teeth26

I agree with your balanced point of view.

To be honest, console gaming got me into pc gaming. NES, Sega, PS1, PS2...there were a lot of fun games. Then I discovered pc gaming and realized I loved having the extra options to maximize/customize aspects of various games.

That said, here is a perfect example of s**** consolization; The difference between Deus Ex and Invisible War.

Perhaps the term 'developer lazified' would be more accurate for describing scenarios where PC versions of games include impractical UI's and control schemes that are similar to what works on consoles. There is nothing stopping a dev from making seperate a UI etc. that works better with PC's.with_teeth26

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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Was this term used last gen, and the gen before that, and that, and it goes on.

:P

i5750at4Ghz

It wasn't because consolization wasn't a problem until this generation.

I guess if you aren't used to games getting better and better and more graphically advanced continually, I could see how you don't see consolization being a problem.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

It wasn't because consolization wasn't a problem until this generation.

GummiRaccoon

I guess if you aren't used to games getting better and better and more graphically advanced continually, I could see how you don't see consolization being a problem.

I vote we keep it.

Its such a stupid term and its getting sad how much its being tossed around. Its getting to the point where every Multiplat is getting slapped with the term "consolized" Hell People were even calling games like Bad Company 2 consolized :?. People need to understand the difference between a multiplat game and a "consolized" one,gmaster456

Bad Company 2 was not planned for PC in the first place, the PC version was considered right after IW backstabbed PC gamers. What's surprising in calling it consolized? Are you confused?

Dumbed down is far worse in my opinion. Even more overused, especially because people can't seem to distinguish the difference between dumbed down and streamlined.Grodus5

"Overused"?

So, going from The Elder Scrolls' stats system to "health, magicka and stamina as main stats" in Skyrim is streamlining, amirite? Nevermind all the self-entitled games that consider themselves RPGs while having RPG elements as a completely secondary afterthought, much like ME2.

Yes, it's useless. No one even knows what it means, they just shout it out when there's something they don't like. A lot of the effects of "consolization" are main features of some of the older classic games.guynamedbilly

Read paragraph above and tell me how the **** can you say that with a straight face.

Its a legit term, so it should stay, but stay in moderation. throwing it out at everything and everyone and every little thing is just stupid.

Ditch it.

Theres nothing wrong with this term guys! (I think its quite creative too lol) The real problem is, it is overused by people, like almost every game that went from PC exclusive to multiplat. D:

No, because i enjoy the way console fanboys act when you say it. Especially since the word itself implies that a game needs to be changed for people who play consoles to understand and enjoy the game.

[QUOTE="Grodus5"] Dumbed down is far worse in my opinion. Even more overused, especially because people can't seem to distinguish the difference between dumbed down and streamlined.Mograine

"Overused"?

So, going from The Elder Scrolls' stats system to "health, magicka and stamina as main stats" in Skyrim is streamlining, amirite? Nevermind all the self-entitled games that consider themselves RPGs while having RPG elements as a completely secondary afterthought, much like ME2.

You actually just proved my point, as indeed it is streamlining. Take a look at what the attributes in Elder Scrolls did in Oblivion:

Strength: Affects Weapon Damage, STAMINA, and Encumbrance
Agility: Affects Weapon Damage, and STAMINA
Endurance: Affects HEALTH and STAMINA
Intelligences: Affects MAGICKA
Willpower: Affects MAGICKA and STAMINA
Personality: Affects how people like you
Luck: Affects everything in such a small way it is mostly completely worthless

Weapon damage could easily be applied to the skills in weapons (although I agree they should've kept atleast strength and agility), Personality should just go into a skill like speechcraft, and luck should be burned in righteous fire. I don't know what to do about Encumbrance, actually, I haven't heard anything about its plans in Skyrim.

All the other effects? They're only purpose to to affect health, magicka, and stamina. That is the only purpose they serve, they don't serve any other purpose but to affect health, magicka, and stamina. Those are know their own attributes, they cut out the middleman while keeping the same effect, that, my friend, is called streamlining.

Call it what you will, it holds meaning. Complaining about it is pointless, though.