Phenom vs Bulldozer

will not drop below 95$ in sales and going intel will cost you at least 280$ and that without a SLI / Crossfire Compatible motherboard :P just the cheapest and intel next generation or amd next generation next year won't bring price down by more then 10% then current price

marcthpro

probably buy it next paycheck then. shame it can't be overclocked.

Like I said I was going to do a full upgrade to ivy bridge but I think I will wait.

This is probably the only worthwhile upgrade then, maybe gpu since than can be transferred over. ddr2 ram not worth buying.

im telling you bro, intel cpu's are clock for clock about 50% faster than amd cpu's. So a pentium g620 at 2.6 ghz is equivalent to a phenom II at approximately 3.9 ghz. Not to mention what the above posters stated, intel cpu's offer a smoother gaming experience than AMD cpu's. It is something I experienced first hand.

Ihave owned an athlon II x3 435 "rana", upgraded to a phenom II x2 555 BE, upgraded to a phenom II x4 955 BE, then upgraded to a core i5 2500k (which was a HUGEE leap) then upgraded to a core i7 2700k (which was pretty much same thing but felt smoother again). After that I found a deal for a cheap sandy bridge celeron which had good reviews and only cost $40 so I took that leap of faith and bought it for my back up computer. I have put it through some strenuous tests and it definitely FEELS smoother than even the phenom II x4 955 BE. I was highly impressed that a $40 cpu was able to game so well. So I highly recommend you take that leap of faith, and go for that sandy bridge celeron/pentium and pick up a cheap p67 motherboard.

I guarantee that you won't regret it. 2 years down the road when you think you need an upgrade get the quad core ivy bridge processor and just pop it into your motherboard for another 3 solid years. There are alot of hardcore AMD fanboys on these forums don't let them tell you different, you don't even need to listen to me, go with what all the factual reviews out there are saying.

im telling you bro, intel cpu's are clock for clock about 50% faster than amd cpu's. So a pentium g620 at 2.6 ghz is equivalent to a phenom II at approximately 3.9 ghz. Not to mention what the above posters stated, intel cpu's offer a smoother gaming experience than AMD cpu's. It is something I experienced first hand.

Ihave owned an athlon II x3 435 "rana", upgraded to a phenom II x2 555 BE, upgraded to a phenom II x4 955 BE, then upgraded to a core i5 2500k (which was a HUGEE leap) then upgraded to a core i7 2700k (which was pretty much same thing but felt smoother again). After that I found a deal for a cheap sandy bridge celeron which had good reviews and only cost $40 so I took that leap of faith and bought it for my back up computer. I have put it through some strenuous tests and it definitely FEELS smoother than even the phenom II x4 955 BE. I was highly impressed that a $40 cpu was able to game so well. So I highly recommend you take that leap of faith, and go for that sandy bridge celeron/pentium and pick up a cheap p67 motherboard.

I guarantee that you won't regret it. 2 years down the road when you think you need an upgrade get the quad core ivy bridge processor and just pop it into your motherboard for another 3 solid years. There are alot of hardcore AMD fanboys on these forums don't let them tell you different, you don't even need to listen to me, go with what all the factual reviews out there are saying.

blaznwiipspman1

I don't disagree with you at all. I have looked at the comparisons. My next build will be Intel. I haven't been Intel Since P4.

I was waiting for Ivy Bridge to be released and I was going to fully upgrade my 5+ year old computer. I have decided against it for now though.

The thing about the Phenom cpu is that I don't have to change anything. If I go Intel now, I have to change mobo - ram - cpu. So if I do that I might as well get a new case, new power supply, new gpu, ssd, etc.

that depend of ur current rig jakes for PSU / GPU and i mention that going intel even next year will cost you 200$ if you seek a i5 2500k + 60$ minimum for a mobo that will not support sli / Crossfire (M-ATX) with only 2 or 4 Ram Slot lot of M-ATX only have 2 slot : you then gotta buy DDR3 memory 4GB-8GB is recommended

A video card is perhap the best thing you can upgrade depend of what you have if you got funds to upgrade to intel you can do so now : we don't know if hashwell of intel will bring much better processing power then sandy bridge but i think it will be at least 30% faster hopefully and it lauch could still be delayed

ivy / sandy are basically same thing expect 10W difference and +1-2FPS when both at same clock

but we do know if hashwell launch a kind of i5 4570K (Sucessor of Ivy Bridge 3570K) it would still be around 200$ and with a motherboard of around 100$ with same DDR3 memory use Am3 / Am3+ / LGA 1155/1156 the end going ram + cpu + mobo will alway cost 3x more then just upgrading Phenom II X4 945 but it would bring up to +25FPS over Phenom II X4 945 in various game even at 1920x1080 but most of game are gpu dependent so gpu first : cpu second

im telling you bro, intel cpu's are clock for clock about 50% faster than amd cpu's. So a pentium g620 at 2.6 ghz is equivalent to a phenom II at approximately 3.9 ghz. Not to mention what the above posters stated, intel cpu's offer a smoother gaming experience than AMD cpu's. It is something I experienced first hand.

Ihave owned an athlon II x3 435 "rana", upgraded to a phenom II x2 555 BE, upgraded to a phenom II x4 955 BE, then upgraded to a core i5 2500k (which was a HUGEE leap) then upgraded to a core i7 2700k (which was pretty much same thing but felt smoother again). After that I found a deal for a cheap sandy bridge celeron which had good reviews and only cost $40 so I took that leap of faith and bought it for my back up computer. I have put it through some strenuous tests and it definitely FEELS smoother than even the phenom II x4 955 BE. I was highly impressed that a $40 cpu was able to game so well. So I highly recommend you take that leap of faith, and go for that sandy bridge celeron/pentium and pick up a cheap p67 motherboard.

I guarantee that you won't regret it. 2 years down the road when you think you need an upgrade get the quad core ivy bridge processor and just pop it into your motherboard for another 3 solid years. There are alot of hardcore AMD fanboys on these forums don't let them tell you different, you don't even need to listen to me, go with what all the factual reviews out there are saying.

blaznwiipspman1

im telling you bro, intel cpu's are clock for clock about 50% faster than amd cpu's. So a pentium g620 at 2.6 ghz is equivalent to a phenom II at approximately 3.9 ghz. Not to mention what the above posters stated, intel cpu's offer a smoother gaming experience than AMD cpu's. It is something I experienced first hand.

Ihave owned an athlon II x3 435 "rana", upgraded to a phenom II x2 555 BE, upgraded to a phenom II x4 955 BE, then upgraded to a core i5 2500k (which was a HUGEE leap) then upgraded to a core i7 2700k (which was pretty much same thing but felt smoother again). After that I found a deal for a cheap sandy bridge celeron which had good reviews and only cost $40 so I took that leap of faith and bought it for my back up computer. I have put it through some strenuous tests and it definitely FEELS smoother than even the phenom II x4 955 BE. I was highly impressed that a $40 cpu was able to game so well. So I highly recommend you take that leap of faith, and go for that sandy bridge celeron/pentium and pick up a cheap p67 motherboard.

I guarantee that you won't regret it. 2 years down the road when you think you need an upgrade get the quad core ivy bridge processor and just pop it into your motherboard for another 3 solid years. There are alot of hardcore AMD fanboys on these forums don't let them tell you different, you don't even need to listen to me, go with what all the factual reviews out there are saying.

blaznwiipspman1

You have no idea about anything.

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

im telling you bro, intel cpu's are clock for clock about 50% faster than amd cpu's. So a pentium g620 at 2.6 ghz is equivalent to a phenom II at approximately 3.9 ghz. Not to mention what the above posters stated, intel cpu's offer a smoother gaming experience than AMD cpu's. It is something I experienced first hand.

Ihave owned an athlon II x3 435 "rana", upgraded to a phenom II x2 555 BE, upgraded to a phenom II x4 955 BE, then upgraded to a core i5 2500k (which was a HUGEE leap) then upgraded to a core i7 2700k (which was pretty much same thing but felt smoother again). After that I found a deal for a cheap sandy bridge celeron which had good reviews and only cost $40 so I took that leap of faith and bought it for my back up computer. I have put it through some strenuous tests and it definitely FEELS smoother than even the phenom II x4 955 BE. I was highly impressed that a $40 cpu was able to game so well. So I highly recommend you take that leap of faith, and go for that sandy bridge celeron/pentium and pick up a cheap p67 motherboard.

I guarantee that you won't regret it. 2 years down the road when you think you need an upgrade get the quad core ivy bridge processor and just pop it into your motherboard for another 3 solid years. There are alot of hardcore AMD fanboys on these forums don't let them tell you different, you don't even need to listen to me, go with what all the factual reviews out there are saying.

GummiRaccoon

You have no idea about anything.

im telling you bro, intel cpu's are clock for clock about 50% faster than amd cpu's. So a pentium g620 at 2.6 ghz is equivalent to a phenom II at approximately 3.9 ghz. Not to mention what the above posters stated, intel cpu's offer a smoother gaming experience than AMD cpu's. It is something I experienced first hand.

Ihave owned an athlon II x3 435 "rana", upgraded to a phenom II x2 555 BE, upgraded to a phenom II x4 955 BE, then upgraded to a core i5 2500k (which was a HUGEE leap) then upgraded to a core i7 2700k (which was pretty much same thing but felt smoother again). After that I found a deal for a cheap sandy bridge celeron which had good reviews and only cost $40 so I took that leap of faith and bought it for my back up computer. I have put it through some strenuous tests and it definitely FEELS smoother than even the phenom II x4 955 BE. I was highly impressed that a $40 cpu was able to game so well. So I highly recommend you take that leap of faith, and go for that sandy bridge celeron/pentium and pick up a cheap p67 motherboard.

I guarantee that you won't regret it. 2 years down the road when you think you need an upgrade get the quad core ivy bridge processor and just pop it into your motherboard for another 3 solid years. There are alot of hardcore AMD fanboys on these forums don't let them tell you different, you don't even need to listen to me, go with what all the factual reviews out there are saying.

blaznwiipspman1

HUGE boost with the Phenom 2.shakmaster13

Does your Phenom bottleneck your gpu in any games?

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]HUGE boost with the Phenom 2.jakes456

Does your Phenom bottleneck your gpu in any games?

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]HUGE boost with the Phenom 2.jakes456

Does your Phenom bottleneck your gpu in any games?

[QUOTE="marcthpro"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

yes it is. Because that is the top upgrade path to you I have a buddy with a athlon II x4 640 and it cost him 100 bucks and that will be slightly faster

You don't need to overclock to get decent performance. I used to OC my 955 to 3.7GHz but I put it back to 3.2 because it didn't make that big of a difference.

Elann2008

The 955 definitely isn't buttery smooth in some games, BF3 being a good example.

My Phenom II has started holding me back in certain games, I have a 940 Quad Black Edition overclocked and in games like WoW and Dirt 3 my peformance isnt that great any more, its still good on max settings but it doesnt matter if I have the video settings higher or a little lower I still cant really get a good fps boost. And thats with a GTX 580, I would like to get an i5 2500k soon and an SSD.V4LENT1NE

Never played Dirt 3, but WoW really? I have no problem running WoW maxed with my setup.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]My Phenom II has started holding me back in certain games, I have a 940 Quad Black Edition overclocked and in games like WoW and Dirt 3 my peformance isnt that great any more, its still good on max settings but it doesnt matter if I have the video settings higher or a little lower I still cant really get a good fps boost. And thats with a GTX 580, I would like to get an i5 2500k soon and an SSD.jakes456

Never played Dirt 3, but WoW really? I have no problem running WoW maxed with my setup.

[QUOTE="jakes456"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]My Phenom II has started holding me back in certain games, I have a 940 Quad Black Edition overclocked and in games like WoW and Dirt 3 my peformance isnt that great any more, its still good on max settings but it doesnt matter if I have the video settings higher or a little lower I still cant really get a good fps boost. And thats with a GTX 580, I would like to get an i5 2500k soon and an SSD.V4LENT1NE

Never played Dirt 3, but WoW really? I have no problem running WoW maxed with my setup.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="jakes456"]

Never played Dirt 3, but WoW really? I have no problem running WoW maxed with my setup.

04dcarraher

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] I never said I had a problem running it, I said that my CPU feels like it holds me back, I went from 2 x 4870s to a GTX 580 and barely got an FPS increase, and changing the video settings barely improves FPS. I still run the game great but I have seen people with the higher Intel CPUs doing much better than me on the forums.V4LENT1NE

I notice some stuttering in CPU dependent games even with 955BE. I'm hoping to overclock so it can last me another year or 2.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] They have done tests with the 7970 when it came out and they concluded that Phenom 2 x4 at 3ghz+ dont hold back the gpu at 1600x1200 or higher resolution as long as the game is more gpu dependent. however you are running an older Phenom 2 based on the AM2+ which does has a slower bus speed. EliteM0nk3y

I notice some stuttering in CPU dependent games even with 955BE. I'm hoping to overclock so it can last me another year or 2.

[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] Yeah true, I mean the game is more than fine but it just feels like I could be getting more, in GPU based games I do great but in CPU ones not so much.04dcarraher

I notice some stuttering in CPU dependent games even with 955BE. I'm hoping to overclock so it can last me another year or 2.

Mine is still at 3.2 GHz. Hopefully over the summer I will overclock. 'Cause it would be nice to play Skyrim and BF3 MP smoothly.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

I notice some stuttering in CPU dependent games even with 955BE. I'm hoping to overclock so it can last me another year or 2.

EliteM0nk3y

Mine is still at 3.2 GHz. Hopefully over the summer I will overclock. 'Cause it would be nice to play Skyrim and BF3 MP smoothly.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

I notice some stuttering in CPU dependent games even with 955BE. I'm hoping to overclock so it can last me another year or 2.

EliteM0nk3y

Mine is still at 3.2 GHz. Hopefully over the summer I will overclock. 'Cause it would be nice to play Skyrim and BF3 MP smoothly.

[QUOTE="marcthpro"]

will not drop below 95$ in sales and going intel will cost you at least 280$ and that without a SLI / Crossfire Compatible motherboard :P just the cheapest and intel next generation or amd next generation next year won't bring price down by more then 10% then current price

jakes456

probably buy it next paycheck then. shame it can't be overclocked.

Like I said I was going to do a full upgrade to ivy bridge but I think I will wait.

This is probably the only worthwhile upgrade then, maybe gpu since than can be transferred over. ddr2 ram not worth buying.

You can OC the Phenom II x4 945. You don't get a multiplier that's unlocked, but you can always up the FSB. I took my younger brother's Phenom II x4 840 (I know, not a true Phenom II since it lacks L3 cache) up from 3.2GHz to just under 3.4GHz without adjusting the voltage and it ran just fine under any stress tests and games I put it through.

So you most likely won't be able to push the 945 as high as you can with most other Black Edition Phenom IIs, but you can OC it a bit if you want a little extra performance boost.

[QUOTE="EliteM0nk3y"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] I have my 955 at 3.6 ghzsuperclocked

Mine is still at 3.2 GHz. Hopefully over the summer I will overclock. 'Cause it would be nice to play Skyrim and BF3 MP smoothly.

I have a 560 Ti, that should be plenty. Here are the settings I use, plus the HD texture pack from Bethesda

If you have the 1GB version, then he stuttering is likely from a lack of VRAM.. Monitor your VRAM usage and see if it gets near 2GB. Also, enable FXAA to make your 4xAA look almost the same as 8xMSAA ;)superclocked

My Phenom II has started holding me back in certain games, I have a 940 Quad Black Edition overclocked and in games like WoW and Dirt 3 my peformance isnt that great any more, its still good on max settings but it doesnt matter if I have the video settings higher or a little lower I still cant really get a good fps boost. And thats with a GTX 580, I would like to get an i5 2500k soon and an SSD.V4LENT1NE

haha ok

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]My Phenom II has started holding me back in certain games, I have a 940 Quad Black Edition overclocked and in games like WoW and Dirt 3 my peformance isnt that great any more, its still good on max settings but it doesnt matter if I have the video settings higher or a little lower I still cant really get a good fps boost. And thats with a GTX 580, I would like to get an i5 2500k soon and an SSD.GummiRaccoon

haha ok

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]My Phenom II has started holding me back in certain games, I have a 940 Quad Black Edition overclocked and in games like WoW and Dirt 3 my peformance isnt that great any more, its still good on max settings but it doesnt matter if I have the video settings higher or a little lower I still cant really get a good fps boost. And thats with a GTX 580, I would like to get an i5 2500k soon and an SSD.V4LENT1NE

haha ok

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]My Phenom II has started holding me back in certain games, I have a 940 Quad Black Edition overclocked and in games like WoW and Dirt 3 my peformance isnt that great any more, its still good on max settings but it doesnt matter if I have the video settings higher or a little lower I still cant really get a good fps boost. And thats with a GTX 580, I would like to get an i5 2500k soon and an SSD.V4LENT1NE

haha ok

Bro, do you know how technology works? When they added better multi core support your performance GOES UP NOT DOWN.

I have a 955 and a 6950 and the only times I have performance issues is in laggrimar. And even then it is not bad. You just have pebkac

I have the FX-6100(hex) and I absolutely love it! I know the FX series gets a bad rap, but I've had 0 issues with mine. Now a friend of mine up here had the FX-4100 and disliked it. He ended up trading it in for a Intel chip. He had it overclocked to 4.1ghz I believe, but he said it's performance couldn't match his older Phenom processor. They say the FX series chips perform better with Windows8, at least that's what Ive read. There are a couple of Hot Fixes for Windows7 that also help with the performance of this series chip. If I was wealthy, or had the extra $$ I may have went with a higher level cpu, or something from Intel, but for the price I'm completely satisfied with my FX chip. You may wanna check the reviews on the 4100 though. I also think the 4100 could do well if it were paired with a high end graphics card, but then again if the other one is better, and not much cheaper, you might as well go with that.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

haha ok

GummiRaccoon

Bro, do you know how technology works? When they added better multi core support your performance GOES UP NOT DOWN.

I have a 955 and a 6950 and the only times I have performance issues is in laggrimar. And even then it is not bad. You just have pebkac

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] WoW got overhauled a while ago which added better multi CPU support and DX11, its not as easy to run at max settings as it used to be, the game uses my Quad Core to the max, even at 3.8Ghz I still get framerate drops sometimes in boss fights and busy places. I know that people with worse GPUs but better CPUs like the i5 2500k or even the older i7 920s used to get more stable peformance than me. But hey, why am I even saying this to someone who trolls every thread on here.V4LENT1NE

Bro, do you know how technology works? When they added better multi core support your performance GOES UP NOT DOWN.

I have a 955 and a 6950 and the only times I have performance issues is in laggrimar. And even then it is not bad. You just have pebkac

I am not the one saying that they can't play wow at decent settings.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Bro, do you know how technology works? When they added better multi core support your performance GOES UP NOT DOWN.

I have a 955 and a 6950 and the only times I have performance issues is in laggrimar. And even then it is not bad. You just have pebkac

GummiRaccoon

I am not the one saying that they can't play wow at decent settings.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] I thought you were implying that WoW is easy to run, hence why I said they overhauled it and keep it up to date graphically, which is why it still pushes recent systems although still being an older game. I dont get many peformance issues in Orgrimmar, I only get low FPS sometimes in raids like Dragon Soul and certain other parts of the world. Thankyou for another useless post.V4LENT1NE

I am not the one saying that they can't play wow at decent settings.

That statement makes me think you haven't even played the game other than questing.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

I am not the one saying that they can't play wow at decent settings.

GummiRaccoon

That statement makes me think you haven't even played the game other than questing.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] I have played at max settings all the time I have played WoW, you just probably havent seen any high detail settings because people dont let you into raids.V4LENT1NE

That statement makes me think you haven't even played the game other than questing.

Explain then how going into raids makes me see more high detail settings. Let alone how the LFR system works that any sh*tty can join and kill deathwing while afk.

So in conclusion that was a terrible attempt on your part, try again.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

That statement makes me think you haven't even played the game other than questing.

GummiRaccoon

Explain then how going into raids makes me see more high detail settings. Let alone how the LFR system works that any sh*tty can join and kill deathwing while afk.

So in conclusion that was a terrible attempt on your part, try again.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] Ok.V4LENT1NE

Explain then how going into raids makes me see more high detail settings. Let alone how the LFR system works that any sh*tty can join and kill deathwing while afk.

So in conclusion that was a terrible attempt on your part, try again.

You probably have some addons that are messing up your performance.

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

Explain then how going into raids makes me see more high detail settings. Let alone how the LFR system works that any sh*tty can join and kill deathwing while afk.

So in conclusion that was a terrible attempt on your part, try again.

GummiRaccoon

You probably have some addons that are messing up your performance.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] Dragon Soul was a lot harder on my system than a lot of other parts, especially Ultraxion. But honestly there is no way to prove what I have done in WoW so I guess its pointless isnt it. I am not bothered if you try to take another shot at me I have nothing to prove, you just like arguing with people for no reason.V4LENT1NE

You probably have some addons that are messing up your performance.

Last time I looked there were performance problems with grid and recount on ultraxion.

If you have the 1GB version, then he stuttering is likely from a lack of VRAM.. Monitor your VRAM usage and see if it gets near 2GB. Also, enable FXAA to make your 4xAA look almost the same as 8xMSAA ;)superclocked

Yea it was the VRAM, it was just under 1GB, so I have reduced the AA to X2 with FXAA. Hopefully that helps. I'll check BF3 as well.

I'm GPU limited in every game, but my GPU is quite old now. IMO a phenom 2 at 3.6ghz will not hold back GPUs less than a GTX 580, and even then it won't make a big difference in most games.

I play BF3 and Skyrim fine.