PC gaming declining?

huh, I leave gamespot for a month, I come back to these threads? Dear lord people. How bout this, there is a big world out their. Go out, get a girlfriend and stop worring about the video game world.sepheronX

Theres about 8 million people, right now, who play World of Warcraft (Just one game). There has been hardly 4 million PS3's sold worldwide.Peter_Darkstar

why should I leave? im just saying to stop being a noob like the rest of the people. And no, Consoles sell a lot less then PC's. You do not need top of the line Video card in order to play games pretty damn well. Just stop being like the other console fanboys, and believing what you hear about from other console fanboys.sepheronX

i did contribute, but i guess you cannot read the whole post.  FAnboy.

I can build a very good gaming pc for cheap.  If you have an HDTV, then you can connect the PC to the TV (not very hard, people believe you need a monitor, but it actually looks very nice on HDTV).

Do you have an HDTV?  And what kind of pc you have?  If your LCD TV has a DVI port, then connect your PC to it, and play a game of i dunno, Condemned?  At that point, you will know PC gaming isnt dying.

Also, all it takes is some optimization, and you can play almost any game on high details at decent res on a 7600gt, and that card is cheap!

i did contribute, but i guess you cannot read the whole post. FAnboy.

I can build a very good gaming pc for cheap. If you have an HDTV, then you can connect the PC to the TV (not very hard, people believe you need a monitor, but it actually looks very nice on HDTV).

Do you have an HDTV? And what kind of pc you have? If your LCD TV has a DVI port, then connect your PC to it, and play a game of i dunno, Condemned? At that point, you will know PC gaming isnt dying.

Also, all it takes is some optimization, and you can play almost any game on high details at decent res on a 7600gt, and that card is cheap!

sepheronX

[QUOTE="Peter_Darkstar"]Theres about 8 million people, right now, who play World of Warcraft (Just one game). There has been hardly 4 million PS3's sold worldwide.nate111

 I would have to say that overall most games are made for as many platforms as possible. Unless they have a sweet 'exclusive on..' contract made out, the more people you get to the more money you make...

well the main reason i made this topic is because on the video interview of the epic lead dev guy he said the he thinks its declining.nate111

Link? Because the Video Interviews say the complete opposite?

PC Gaming dying? if that  happens, graphic card development will drop, except for the time period where a console is developed, every single company will continue to push PC gaming.

 You will see, Unreal Tournement 3 will have the largest player base on the PC. 

[QUOTE="nate111"]well the main reason i made this topic is because on the video interview of the epic lead dev guy he said the he thinks its declining.Meu2k7

Link? Because the Video Interviews say the complete opposite?

PC Gaming dying? if that happens, graphic card development will drop, except for the time period where a console is developed, every single company will continue to push PC gaming.

You will see, Unreal Tournement 3 will have the largest player base on the PC.

I know what your saying when you say Devil Advocate, but I am just so sick of these threads.  You can alwasy simply go and search for these threads, as there are a billion of them all over the place.

If you want a contributing point, I can always say is:

Microsoft is helping the game industy to aim towards PC gaming due to DX10.  With DX10, games should become much easier to code, run better, and look better (not that they do not look good already).  Also, with the huge competition between AMD and Intel, Nvidia and DAMMIT (lawl same company (ATI and AMD)) there will always be price wars, that will absolutely help the consumer in the end.

What people fail to relize is, the latest, greated, and most expensive does NOT always mean the best.  For instance, the upcoming "cheaper" Core 2 Duo's, with 1mb L2 cache, are sertainly not as fast as the E4300 or E6300 or so on, but REALLY good non the less (better then an x2 3600+).  But another thing is, A CPU does not play much of a big role in the games, some games yes, but most, no.  Also, a sound card is not always needed, as onboard is good too, or you DO NOT always need a 600 or 800w PSU, as the people on here do not know crap when it comes to about PSU's (to the noob who said I was wrong about efficiency, check out this thread then tell me im wrong: Overclock.net).  I suggest never comeing here for hardware advice, but go to a more professional place like overclock.net.  Also, do not trust a lot of people who say "My post count means a lot, and so does my ticket in all these unions, blah blah blah", as they still don't know sh*t.

Also, finally, graphics cards.  Graphics cards MAY indeed be expensive, and being developed pretty fast, but seriously, do you need the latest and greatest?  Obviously not.  People either 1) are really huge enthusiasts, and only really benchmark and nothing else, 2) have to benchmark and test cause they are paid to do it, or 3) have more money then brains.  A game that run at 40fps is going to appear to run smooth.  To also have games run smooth, 1.5 - 2gigs is sufficient.  Do you need high end overclocking ram? no, you can always buy cheap ram and see how they fair.  I know I bought a pair of 2x1gig PC5400 Corsair Value Ram, for 125 on sale, and they overclocked to 760mhz, which is pretty damn far for value ram.

Motherboards to be expensive? not really, you can simply get a half decent board.  Look at brands like Biostar.  Yeah, they might not be as reliable, but thats a good thing about newegg, NCIX, Zipzoomfly and some other stores, were they allow RMA, just in case.  But ALWAYS check reviews before going out and buying the motherboard.

I will set up a demo PC at newegg and NCIX (American for newegg, and Canada for NCIX) and I will then post reviews to back up my point about the hardware being good for the price.

1. new consoles launched recently

this is always big news, attention is bound to drift away from pcs temporarily - new consoles are out - all the developers, all the publishers, they all want their slice of the pie chart, there's a golden shower out there and they want to get wet! uh, money shower, i mean money shower

2. dx10/vista

pc gaming has hit puberty, it's going through some changes - we've got a new os shaking things up, we've got a new generation of graphics cards coming out, we've got a new version of directx that is entirely non-backwards-compatible - right now, pc gaming is a spotty, awkward teenager who can't string ten words together without losing control of its voice, it happens to everyone

let's make a distrinction here, to have declined and to be declining are not the same thing, pc gaming has declined - temporarily - because of the above two points, lots and lots of games got shelved temporarily so those serialised franchise sequels with 2007 in the title could fill christmas and birthday lists the world over, and lots and lots and lots of pc games got delay after delay after delay for a few reasons - and yet, in one of pc gamings worst years ever, we still saw two of the best rts games ever made - and two serious goty contenders in company of heroes and medieval 2 - two goty contenders with our worst ever performance, how'd you like that?

sure, there's not many full blown pc exclusive games any more - but my question is this: so what? how does that signal a marked decline for pc gaming? if the pc is still getting great games (and it is), who cares if the consoles get them too? enjoy playing your fps games with a pad there, little timmy - aiming assistance (now there's a politcally correct term for you) sure is fun, isn't it? - so long as these multiformat titles don't get watered down by the console kiddy massmarket crowd (and if that does happen, that's not a decline for pc gaming but for all gaming), i think it's perfectly fine that the consoles get to experience - albeit only in part - the glory of pc gaming

and let's face it, pretty much 99.5% of system wars isn't about how good the games are, it's about how good the games look - so let's play ball for a moment... sure, the new consoles are very powerful, but that power is very hardcapped by what is by pc standards already some archaic technology - the only thing that's going to happen now as far as the consoles are concerned is developers will learn to make better use of the existing technology - whoopy doo... like a crytek rep said, the next gen consoles don't have the power for high-quality crysis - a year and a half from now, once there's a dozen crysis-or-better quality games out on pcs, and not out on consoles, pcs will suddenly not be included in any of those fanboy rants in system wars about how the 360 is replacing the pc - funny, considering how authoratative they act now

no, the pc has a long, long list of very awesome games on their way - the pc has the best internet support you could hope for, the pc has enormous and incredibly talented modding communities and the pc has convenient access to lots and lots of porn, which seems to be particularly valuable to gamers for some reason! - and, love it or hate it, the pc has much better, much more powerful, much more faster improving technology - it won't be a year before something that's already too good for consoles is being out-teched by some other engine... c'est la vie

as for expensive technology - what? i mean... what? expensive to whom? kids without jobs? this is nothing new - pc gaming has always been that way - pc gaming isn't aimed at kids, it's aimed at young adults and full blown adults, and if you can't afford a gaming pc - and you don't need to drop any more than a couple thousand once every couple years to stay right on the technological speartip - then just wait for your birthday to roll round so daddy can buy you that new nhl game you've been waiting  ever since the last nhl game for, timmy - first class flight isn't aimed at you, either, that doesn't mean it's declining because it has its target audience - people who want first class, people willing to pay for the chateau marguax and the valentino suit - it's not the seething masses, but it's not meant to be, and it never was to begin with - you cannot decline from a position you did not previous hold

we had a hiccup year in 2006, but it was hardly indicative of any kind of longrunning trend, we hit a speedbumb, we stubbed our toe on the door, we accidently shot the hostage - it happens, it's happened before, it'll happen again - but there's tons of great stuff coming

just look at the launch lineup for 2007, decline? no way man, it's called peaks and troughs - this wasn't meant to take on such a ranty tone, but these threads piss me off

well the main reason i made this topic is because on the video interview of the epic lead dev guy he said the he thinks its declining.nate111

Yea, but thats just one person's opinion. Although, as computers get more advanced and sophisticated, I would believe many people would see console gaming as more attractive.  (Theres also some strange rumor going around that a GOOD computer costs ridiculous amounts of money)

The reason i stopped buying PC games is because my computer cannot run todays games.  I dunno how much times other people buy a new computer, but most people are not willing to spend $500 minimum, on a desktop.

To get in modern PC gaming, you will have to spend about $1000 dollars, mainly because of the more expensive computer parts.  A stick of DDR2 Ram is even more expensive than most CPU's today, like a 2 Gig kit costing$100-150 dollars.  Then there is the ever increasing price ceilings of video cards, and you have an environment where everything is being more expensive.  $500 for a video card used to be extreme, now its $800.

PC gaming, while fun, is becoming a niche market, mainly because the cost of such a system is making it a luxury.

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[QUOTE="nate111"]well the main reason i made this topic is because on the video interview of the epic lead dev guy he said the he thinks its declining.nate111

Link? Because the Video Interviews say the complete opposite?

PC Gaming dying? if that happens, graphic card development will drop, except for the time period where a console is developed, every single company will continue to push PC gaming.

You will see, Unreal Tournement 3 will have the largest player base on the PC.

Yea, but what he is saying has been the case forever, when UT2004 was released, not everybody could run it, and you cant torrent Unreal games really because you cant get online, this is purely his opinion, he knows he WILL sell more on the consoles, he also knows and said in his last review that PC gaming is the bread and butter of EPIC Games and its mod community supporting UT.

 Hes just more than likely astonished by his success with gears of war, and the sales are alot more appealing.

But like I said, you watch the playerbases, UT3 will have the biggest online community on the PC, but lower sales...