OnLive: You Opinions.

You guys heard about the new OnLive console? Kinda cool but then again it kinda takes the fun out of everything. I know its not mandatory to have but still. There is a certain satisfaction that a person gets when they buid their own computer and it can ahndle everything thrown at it. I don't know this may be a good thing but also have to remeber it may not live up to what it says it will. What are your thoughts?

Sorry supposed to be your opinions. Just a little typo.

Its either going to be HUGE or have major problems which they obviously didnt mention then it will flop.

Good points I didn't think of. Yeahit kinda makes me hope it tanks but like I said who knows it may be a revolution(But we have heard that many times before).

It sounds like a great service, but I want to know how we're supposed to be able to play LAN games with it. I think it will kill that joy instantly. I also don't like the idea that I have to constantly be streaming video online through the service. Steam requires that you're online, but I can still play my single player games when my connection is down. I also can play single player games without worry of lag because other people are using the network. Maybe the service is ahead of its time.cd_rom

It's not ahead of its time, it's just in time. This and AWOMO seem to start a new trend.

It's going to take away the incentive to upgrade your PC hardware as often, so I can see that PC hardware companies are going to suffer since people won't need to buy their equipment so much.

Nice Concept, but i don't like it. I have many games on my computer i keep just incase internet is off (which, around where i am, if that happens, it take days to get back on.) even though in this time frame, many americans have internet, but the simple fact is not everyone is going to have a fast connection. I don't want my connection of internet to influence how good my game looks. Plus, i don't like the thought of having too many 'contracts'. I like the thought of 'one-time pay' games.

To me it just doesn't feel right. That's my opinion. If this works this may be too big of a leap into what could have taken small steps to do. I don't know. Some people like big changes others don't. For me it just depends on the change and this is not one I am entirely fond of.

I just don't think this is going to work just yet. Internet connections need to be many times faster and have more bandwidth before something this ambitious becomes a reality. I can see some really cool applications with cloud computing, but I just don't think playing a modern day, fast-paced FPS or racing game with a computer that's rendering the images hundreds of miles away is going to work without some serious technical hitches.

Looks more like a novelty.

But I doubt the trend would catch on.

It is a very good idea but it here is it flaws:

Internet connections/bandwidth issues

Also, I already own consoles, why should I buy that when (based on the conference) the game are multi-platform (not exclusives) and i have a console which i can pla those games already. If ON LIVE is going to have a monthly charge, I can just pay a charge for gamefly. I don't think ON LIVE will be getting exclusives because then the games would not be exclusive

Looks great to me. As a pc gamer who hasnt been able to keep up with hardware for the last few years, this is something that really appeals to me. That added with my burning hate for physical media and onlive is something I can really get into. The demo just solidified my opinion.

Its either going to be HUGE or have major problems which they obviously didnt mention then it will flop.

Daytona_178

I agree with this. Either it works near perfection or it will just implode because of multiple reasons.

i support it even if i wont purchase it at least for a few years. however, more people playing pc games means more games for us

ASo what was everyones impressions on the conference. I for one am thinking of all the companies that will take a huge hit from this if this actually works. Companies that make computer parts and that is their only source of profit. Know what companies I am thinking of?

Wow this is pretty crazy.So basically we are using their computers to play through the internet. I am going to need to check this out. I bet theres going to be an ass load of problems with it though hmmmmmm

I don't like the thought of anyone in the world being able to watch me play my single player game, but there should be an on/off switch for that. If you were able to download and install the games instead of streaming gameplay, then surely that would put an end to the worry of unpredictable gameplay through streaming. But it is amazing how you can play any game on max settings on your tv or on arubbish computer.

LOL... Good luck OnLive. Competition has come sooner then many have thought.

"Surprisingly, OnLive already has competition on the horizon. A startup by the name of OTOY aims to provide high speed gaming, HD movie playback and more, by using a web browser plugin. The driving force behind OTOY is AMD's Fusion Render Cloud, a supercomputer class machine capable of petaflop processing power with over 1,000 GPUs. In a conversation with Jules Urbach, OTOY's CEO, he mentioned that OTOY will be entering beta in the summer and should be up and running in the year."

LOL... Good luck OnLive. Competition has come sooner then many have thought.

"Surprisingly, OnLive already has competition on the horizon. A startup by the name of OTOY aims to provide high speed gaming, HD movie playback and more, by using a web browser plugin. The driving force behind OTOY is AMD's Fusion Render Cloud, a supercomputer class machine capable of petaflop processing power with over 1,000 GPUs. In a conversation with Jules Urbach, OTOY's CEO, he mentioned that OTOY will be entering beta in the summer and should be up and running in the year."

OoSuperMarioO

Sounds like a gimmick to me, and there are a few issues I have with this service that would need to be addressed before I even consider trying it. I guess though when it comes to gaming the biggest problem I have is that it takes my rights as a consumer of the game away from me...I'll no longer own a copy of the game, I'll rent time to play it. I can't mod the game to what I specifically want unless its official DLC that I'll have to spend more money for.

Just how many games are they going to provide access to and are they permanently part of their library or after 6 months, a year or two the game is flushed from their library along with my saved game file that I worked on while renting the time to play it from their service? Right now if I own a hard copy of the game, I can install it, play it, uninstall anytime I want from my pc without interference from any outside party (stupid DRM or install limits notwithstanding).

I think the argument comes down to who gets control over my passion for gaming and my rights as a consumer...whether or not I want to give those up to someone else just so I can be a little lazier in my pursuit of gaming fun.

It is a very good idea but it here is it flaws:

Internet connections/bandwidth issues

Also, I already own consoles, why should I buy that when (based on the conference) the game are multi-platform (not exclusives) and i have a console which i can pla those games already. If ON LIVE is going to have a monthly charge, I can just pay a charge for gamefly. I don't think ON LIVE will be getting exclusives because then the games would not be exclusive

I don't like the thought of anyone in the world being able to watch me play my single player game, but there should be an on/off switch for that. If you were able to download and install the games instead of streaming gameplay, then surely that would put an end to the worry of unpredictable gameplay through streaming. But it is amazing how you can play any game on max settings on your tv or on arubbish computer.

liquidzero123

Great idea if they can pull it off. There are obvious issues with lag and broadband cost and dependability (mine is not cheap or dependable), but they say they've been working for 7 years on a way to get latency down to microseconds.

It would be great for people like me who have a good PC setup but no current gen consoles. I want to be able to play some of the console titles but don't want to have to buy one or more consoles just so I can play one or two games. This may scare a number of console making companies.

It's going to take away the incentive to upgrade your PC hardware as often, so I can see that PC hardware companies are going to suffer since people won't need to buy their equipment so much.

PlanckEpoch

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It's going to take away the incentive to upgrade your PC hardware as often, so I can see that PC hardware companies are going to suffer since people won't need to buy their equipment so much.

arijit_2404

Nah, they'll focus on 3D stuff (think Paycheck, when the main character reveals the hologram desktop) and on fancy Minority Report displays.

I'm sorry but I hate the idea of not being able to physically own a game. I'm also very surprised this is not bothering more people.

"Can I try new games before buying? Yes. You can play the latest and greatest demos, and even rent games to try them out. OnLive also lets you watch the top players as a way to discover new games and learn a few new tricks."

coming from the onlive FAQ, thats awesome!

I'm sorry but I hate the idea of not being able to physically own a game. I'm also very surprised this is not bothering more people.

chris4355

For me, i collect games, so i like to have a physical copy.

Don't get me wrong, Onlive seems good, but i don't think many people will get it.

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I'm sorry but I hate the idea of not being able to physically own a game. I'm also very surprised this is not bothering more people.

X360PS3AMD05

I know waht you mean about steam. The only game I ever bought on steam was Crysis Warhead and now I feel like I don't own the game.

I just don't like the idea of digitally owning something, while only being able to access it through Steam, or any other program.

I also don't see onlive succeeding all that effectively, my guess is its too young for its time. Not many people have very fast connections that will be able to handle this at a higher quality than what they already have, I know I won't.

I also think that no lag thing they have been claiming is bs, no matter what there will be some kind of noticeable latency, really comes down to whether players will be willing to put up with it or not.

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I could see how developpers would like it though, especially in the PC market where everyone owns a different PC and its a pain in the ass for them to deal with tech support and constant patches due to compatibility issues.

Maybe if onlive gets a couple of exclusives then that will give it an edge, but even then, people are limited due to low connection speed.

Oh and one more thing, the idea of paying a subscription fee for games I pay for really bugs me, if thats the case I could see a lot of people not even considering this.

Not only that, but you are gong to lag your entire network.

Even if you have the 5 mbit connection required to run HD quality, doing so means anyone else who shares your bandwidth is going to make you lag and vice versa.

What if someone else in the house plays games on the same network? If we both use onlive we will need a 10 mbit con for HD quality.

This is a great idea, I just think its too young for its time, internet connection speeds are getting faster theres no doubt about that, but its just not fast enough yet.

Maybe in 5-10 years.

Either way this takes away too many of our freedoms and many of us, especially PC gamers will not support it:

- forced subscription in order to play

- this is DRM at its best

- internet required to play, needs a very fast internet connection

- no modding

I just can't see it happening because a project of this magnitude will need a large user base in order to sustain itself, and I highly doubt it will have a very large user base judging by all these limitations.

It's going to take away the incentive to upgrade your PC hardware as often, so I can see that PC hardware companies are going to suffer since people won't need to buy their equipment so much.

PlanckEpoch

I don't get why people feel so threatened by onlive. It's pretty obvious that a fast computer and a physical copy will continue to be an option (at least for the forseeable future) and be the superior option. To me, onlive is something that will help bring more gamers and publishers into PC gaming as an alternate method of play. Think about all the people out there with inadequate hardware or no patience for traditional pc gaming, then think about what a service like this will do for that crowed. Look at all the publishers that have backed the service so far and notice that they are console heavy publishers backing a pc service.

And about owning the game...I think people should wait for more info on that subject before they jump to conclusions. They already demoed a rental service, so "buying" a game on the system is completely optional. Also, suppose the price point for a new release on golive was $10-20 instead of $40-50, with the understanding that you never TRUELY own the media. I think that would be a good tradeoff, but like I said, there is no info on that stuff yet so let's try not to make things up.

At the end of the day, I don't see onlive stealing users from anything. Except maybe consoles. lol. For PC gaming, I see this as a parallel service to what we have now. An addition option for gamers who dont have the technical confidence or funds for a large hardware investment. It will expand the PC gaming industry, not take away from it.

As a person who has joined PC gaming this year ( yeah late i know :P ) i kinda feel offended. Sure not everyone can own a good computer but for people with high end PCs are a bit screwed. Plus no physical copy OR digital copy is a huge con for me.cifru

It's not mandatory, you know...

The only part that interests me at this time is the ability to rent PC games. You can't do that now and if there isn't a demo you have to rely on third party opinions to make an informed choice. Other than that I don't see myself using the service for several reasons: 1. I like to own physical media. It gives me a sense of ownership and control digital copies just don't. 2. I don't like needing to have an internet connection because it's connectivity is not under my control. If it goes down now I can still play all my games. If it goes down and all my games are OnLive I'm screwed. 3. I like the hardware aspect of PC gaming and building my own machines. It's an aspect of the hobby that would be in jeopardy if this service gets popular. Edit: how could I forget mods?! One of the best reasons to game on PC! I've got the PC GOTY edition of Oblivion on the way so I downloaded 4GB worth of mods to add to it. I don't see how that would be possible with OnLive.Bane_v2

chris4365 just brought up a good point. The possibility of NO MODDING. The biggest part of the PC gaming community will be thrown out the window. No more custom skins, no more custom maps, no more gameplay mods. We'll be forced to buy the "DLC" that all the consoles have.cd_rom

Or you could not use the service.

[QUOTE="Bane_v2"]The only part that interests me at this time is the ability to rent PC games. You can't do that now and if there isn't a demo you have to rely on third party opinions to make an informed choice. Other than that I don't see myself using the service for several reasons: 1. I like to own physical media. It gives me a sense of ownership and control digital copies just don't. 2. I don't like needing to have an internet connection because it's connectivity is not under my control. If it goes down now I can still play all my games. If it goes down and all my games are OnLive I'm screwed. 3. I like the hardware aspect of PC gaming and building my own machines. It's an aspect of the hobby that would be in jeopardy if this service gets popular. Edit: how could I forget mods?! One of the best reasons to game on PC! I've got the PC GOTY edition of Oblivion on the way so I downloaded 4GB worth of mods to add to it. I don't see how that would be possible with OnLive.chandu83