Next-gen consoles will struggle to beat PC, say industry insiders. PCGamer

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/next-gen-consoles-will-struggle-to-beat-pc-say-industry-insiders/

Is PC starting winning the war ?:twisted:

But But But Teh PC Gaming is DYING! :lol:

Lol. Industry insiders say that, eh? What geniuses. Next-gen consoles have always struggled to even compete with PCs, and have never "beat" them.

PC should always be the platform with the greatest potential for polygons.

My point of view on the subject is that consoles will never beat PC's in terms of power/performance, because consoles are computers, build specifically for gaming.

They may beat PC's in terms of popularity, as gaming devices and have a whole lot more developers creating games for them and they might have beat my or your PC's in the pastbut let's be honest there was no point, when let's say PS2 or PS3 did beat computers in general, because there's constanly new hardware developed. How could consoles had better hardware, when it's creators (Intel/AMD/Nvidia) make money by manufacturing and selling it?

It would be like "yeah, we can make a ton of money for selling our CPU/GPU's as parts but nah, let's give Your product a head start, just for the fun of it."

I may be wrong but I see no sence in it otherwise.

When a next gen console releases you have 2 options. You can

a) shell out hundreds of dollars on a platform with 1 or 2 games on it or

b) shell out hundreds of dollars on a platform with thousands of games availible for it

I wouldn't mind buying a console that's been out for a while but buying them at launch is either for the dim witted or the rich.

As for the graphics issue - it really doesn't matter to me at all. What's most important is not necessarily the hardware but rather the games that are availible on it.

First off I don't think the 360 and PS3 were that far ahead if they were ahead at all of what computers at the time could do but secondly did that idiot from Crytek call memory expensive ? I can buy 16GB of RAM for under $100 much of the time. it's as cheap as it has been in years.

First off I don't think the 360 and PS3 were that far ahead if they were ahead at all of what computers at the time could doPublicNuisance

While yes, PCs have always been more powerful over the lifetime of each console, does PC gaming sales overwhelm console gaming sales enough for consoles to start worrying. I seriously doubt it. While there may be more people pushed to PC gaming as consoles are becoming more "casual" - PC gaming is an expensive hobby that not all gamers can afford. Granted, with DD, we get awesome deals on the software, but there's a pretty big startup cost that many people shun away from.

I just don't want anyone thinking that consoles are on the way out because of this article.

While yes, PCs have always been more powerful over the lifetime of each console, does PC gaming sales overwhelm console gaming sales enough for consoles to start worrying. I seriously doubt it. While there may be more people pushed to PC gaming as consoles are becoming more "casual" - PC gaming is an expensive hobby that not all gamers can afford. Granted, with DD, we get awesome deals on the software, but there's a pretty big startup cost that many people shun away from.

I just don't want anyone thinking that consoles are on the way out because of this article.

Cwagmire21

This really isn't news I can't see next gen consoles coming close to current PC hardware.

they wont be able to 60 fps and 1080p, they already lost to 5 year old pcs

they wont be able to 60 fps and 1080p, they already lost to 5 year old pcs

Krelian-co

[QUOTE="Cwagmire21"]

While yes, PCs have always been more powerful over the lifetime of each console, does PC gaming sales overwhelm console gaming sales enough for consoles to start worrying. I seriously doubt it. While there may be more people pushed to PC gaming as consoles are becoming more "casual" - PC gaming is an expensive hobby that not all gamers can afford. Granted, with DD, we get awesome deals on the software, but there's a pretty big startup cost that many people shun away from.

I just don't want anyone thinking that consoles are on the way out because of this article.

OgreB

Totally agree, I built my PC with brand new parts for like 400 USD and it runs generally everything I want at 1366x768, which already is higher than current gen consoles with medium-high details, which confirms that PC's are not a really more expencive alternative.

I think consoles are for people, who don't want to bother building/configuring/maintaining/tuning anything, they just want to plug it to a TV and have fun, which is a good thing to be honest.

When it comes to PC gaming it's more like a hobby to build Your own machine with the budget You can spend and see what can it do or what can You tune or replace to make it even better. I seriously don't understand people buying PC's specially for gaming without any knowledge or even the will to learn how they work or what needs to be done to make them work like they want, when they can buy a console for the basically the same price which will do the same exact thing.

[QUOTE="OgreB"][QUOTE="Cwagmire21"]

While yes, PCs have always been more powerful over the lifetime of each console, does PC gaming sales overwhelm console gaming sales enough for consoles to start worrying. I seriously doubt it. While there may be more people pushed to PC gaming as consoles are becoming more "casual" - PC gaming is an expensive hobby that not all gamers can afford. Granted, with DD, we get awesome deals on the software, but there's a pretty big startup cost that many people shun away from.

I just don't want anyone thinking that consoles are on the way out because of this article.

Mareczek99

Totally agree, I built my PC with brand new parts for like 400 USD and it runs generally everything I want at 1366x768, which already is higher than current gen consoles with medium-high details, which confirms that PC's are not a really more expencive alternative.

I think consoles are for people, who don't want to bother building/configuring/maintaining/tuning anything, they just want to plug it to a TV and have fun, which is a good thing to be honest.

When it comes to PC gaming it's more like a hobby to build Your own machine with the budget You can spend and see what can it do or what can You tune or replace to make it even better. I seriously don't understand people buying PC's specially for gaming without any knowledge or even the will to learn how they work or what needs to be done to make them work like they want, when they can buy a console for the basically the same price which will do the same exact thing.

I think you're kinda inadvertantly proving my point. :P

We gotta remember that the PC gaming GS forums do not represent the entire gaming community while you (and I) enjoy building our own PCs and enjoying these games at their maximum quality; there are a lot of people out there that just want to plug it in and play.

But you are right when you add it all up; PC gaming isn't much more expensive than console gaming, but it's perspective. The big console companies purposefully sell their hardware at cost (or close to that) just to make it not as "painful" for gamers to invest in that console. They have them though once they sell the hardware because people don't hold onto their $50-60 for games nearly as tightly as they do the $300 for the console - let alone what people spend on their PCs...

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

they wont be able to 60 fps and 1080p, they already lost to 5 year old pcs

bonafidetk

its confirmed they wont run at 60 fps wish i wasnt as lazy to look for the source

If this were a few years ago consoles could had a chance, but nowadays, it looks as if consoles won't come close to the best PC next gen either.

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

they wont be able to 60 fps and 1080p, they already lost to 5 year old pcs

Krelian-co

its confirmed they wont run at 60 fps wish i wasnt as lazy to look for the source

Its all rumors but I think the consoles will be around gtx 680 in power.

Its all rumors but I think the consoles will be around gtx 680 in power.

slipknot0129

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

Its all rumors but I think the consoles will be around gtx 680 in power.

04dcarraher

Its all rumors but I think the consoles will be around gtx 680 in power.

slipknot0129

LMAO, HAHAHA!

Its all rumors but I think the consoles will be around gtx 680 in power.

slipknot0129

I don´t get why everyone is saying PC gaming is an expensive hobby. It´s not.

Even if you spend like 1000$ for a gaming pc, you will get your money back with cheeper games. I mean on what other platforms you may get bundles of games for 1-5 bucks and obtain some games even for free.

During Amazon and Steam sales, a PC gamer can get a ton of games for 60 bucks and play them for an entire year untill the next sales event. While Consolers buy their game spending 60 bucks a title. In the end, if you want to have a game per month on console, you will spend some 600$ a year.

Look at PC. The games such as Hitman Absolution costs 20$ on Amazon one month after release. Basically all games are in bargin bin at the end of the year.

PC gamers don´t need to wait Black Friday to be able to buy a huge amount of games.

Yeh. Consolers may get their game quite cheep if they buy them on EBAY used. But even then their prices don´t get even close to Steam and Amazon sales.

I don´t speak about companies such as Nintento which amost never lower its prices. Besides that stuff only works for USA citizens, in my country, I will have to pay taxes on imported goods (Try to prove the custom officer that the EBAY-bought game is used) and delivery tarifs.

All this console gaming is a corporative trick. The guys sell you a console bloody cheap but then charge for most essential part of gaming: games.

PC Gaming.

1000$ a gaming PC that will last like 3 years at least playing everything

120$ for that amout you will get a huge Steam/GOG/Amazon/etc gaming library. Some 30 titles. Not bad to pass the year untill the next Steam sale.

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1120$ this number may be very much lower

Console Gaming

500-600$ (I will not take into acoount WiiU becuase this stuff is obsolete already)

60$ a recent title * 12 month = 720$ if you want to play one title per month at least. And if you buy a Nextgen console, you will basically have no choice, because every game will be too new to get it cheeper.

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1220-1320$ for much less quality and shrinked game library.

As you see, Microsoft and Sony are not any fools. The house always wins at the end.

They make you pay in installments.

In case of PC gaming you pay out the bulk of the money at once.

Consoles companies, instead, make you bleed out gradually selling you products of lower quality at the end.

PC gaming is about freedom. You build your PC as expensive as you want, you pay for your games as much as you want (buying a title at launch or waiting a few month to get it bloody cheep).

The console of the future will inevitably become a pc. That fact is already apparent with the inclusion of web browsers, applications for certain websites, voice/video chat, and a slew of other features on consoles that have been on the pc for years.

The flaw of the future console (an obviously short-sighted opinion as I can't predict what the future will hold) is that they are in essence going to be budget computers for the average consumer that wrap a number of so-so attractions in a well marketed package. However, unlike the pc, they'll lock out much of the user created content and maintain absurd pricing concerning their games and services which are among my biggest qualms with the console manufacturers.

The parts many of us have in our computers at this time will likely beat out the next gen with ease. Hopefully more people will begin to realize that the grass is greener on the other side and nowhere near as expensive or difficult as they think.

The console of the future will inevitably become a pc. That fact is already apparent with the inclusion of web browsers, applications for certain websites, voice/video chat, and a slew of other features on consoles that have been on the pc for years.

The flaw of the future console (an obviously short-sighted opinion as I can't predict what the future will hold) is that they are in essence going to be budget computers for the average consumer that wrap a number of so-so attractions in a well marketed package. However, unlike the pc, they'll lock out much of the user created content and maintain absurd pricing concerning their games and services which are among my biggest qualms with the console manufacturers.

The parts many of us have in our computers at this time will likely beat out the next gen with ease. Hopefully more people will begin to realize that the grass is greener on the other side and nowhere near as expensive or difficult as they think.

ZetA_LatA

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/12/20/next-gen-consoles-will-struggle-to-beat-pc-say-industry-insiders/

Is PC starting winning the war ?:twisted:

jhonMalcovich

I disagree completely. Not because I'm pro console or anti-PC. It just makes no sense to assume people will jump ship. Consoles are just easier and you don't have to worry about if your PC can run a new game or not. Its the upgrading that wont ever kill off console gaming. Both provide different things and casual gamers aren't going to shell out nearly 1000$ or more for a great gaming PC when in comparison the differences aren't leaps and bounds different. PC is mroe for the very hardcore ,strategy games and the MMO crowds. You have to be fairly knowledgable when it comes to PC while consoles are just very simple. Nothing wrong with either one and its hard to really say which is better they both serve different expereinces . Why can't we all just enjoy what we own ?

I disagree completely. Not because I'm pro console or anti-PC. It just makes no sense to assume people will jump ship. Consoles are just easier and you don't have to worry about if your PC can run a new game or not. Its the upgrading that wont ever kill off console gaming. Both provide different things and casual gamers aren't going to shell out nearly 1000$ or more for a great gaming PC when in comparison the differences aren't leaps and bounds different. PC is mroe for the very hardcore ,strategy games and the MMO crowds. You have to be fairly knowledgable when it comes to PC while consoles are just very simple. Nothing wrong with either one and its hard to really say which is better they both serve different expereinces . Why can't we all just enjoy what we own ?

Benficafan_101

Its all rumors but I think the consoles will be around gtx 680 in power.

slipknot0129

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

Its all rumors but I think the consoles will be around gtx 680 in power.

Cranler

Plus cpu's are much more power efficient too. If they dont use a igp then that cpu uses so little power. Igp's is where a lot of the power in a cpu goes to nowadays.

If the cpu has a igp in it then it will be even easier for the system to have graphics as powerful as a gtx 680. The main gpu would use less energy due to there being another gpu in the cpu. This would allow for more watts for graphics due to the heat being more spread out.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

Its all rumors but I think the consoles will be around gtx 680 in power.

slipknot0129

Plus cpu's are much more power efficient too. If they dont use a igp then that cpu uses so little power. Igp's is where a lot of the power in a cpu goes to nowadays.

If the cpu has a igp in it then it will be even easier for the system to have graphics as powerful as a gtx 680. The main gpu would use less energy due to there being another gpu in the cpu. This would allow for more watts for graphics due to the heat being more spread out.

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] It would be history repeating itself actually. 360 was quite close in performance to the 6800 ultra which was the top card a year and a half before the 360 launched. Problem now is that the cards have gotten too big, too power hungry and too hot for these little consoles. darksusperia

Plus cpu's are much more power efficient too. If they dont use a igp then that cpu uses so little power. Igp's is where a lot of the power in a cpu goes to nowadays.

If the cpu has a igp in it then it will be even easier for the system to have graphics as powerful as a gtx 680. The main gpu would use less energy due to there being another gpu in the cpu. This would allow for more watts for graphics due to the heat being more spread out.

Lol. Better save that new build till next christmas.

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] That [QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

Its all rumors but I think the consoles will be around gtx 680 in power.

darksusperia

Plus cpu's are much more power efficient too. If they dont use a igp then that cpu uses so little power. Igp's is where a lot of the power in a cpu goes to nowadays.

If the cpu has a igp in it then it will be even easier for the system to have graphics as powerful as a gtx 680. The main gpu would use less energy due to there being another gpu in the cpu. This would allow for more watts for graphics due to the heat being more spread out.

I would love for it to have that kind of power, the better the consoles the better ports pc gets, but i doubt it.

Well, that's a no-brainer.

It's incredible though that some people still in this day and age don't get that PCs do everything brilliantly. In addition to being superior by design, the only way PC gaming can be seen as expensive is if you don't have a PC in the first place. Uh, ok. So you really don't have a PC?

What's expensive is buying a whole new laptop with intervals of 2-3 (?) years, and new consoles and console games at ridiculous prices. Since I know that that's what many people do who bash PC gaming for being costly, I can only conclude that they lack perspective, or want gaming - and apparently PC gaming specifically - to be expensive, for whatever reasons.

And gamers who are concerned about holding on to a PC because of some silly preconceived notions about it being nerdy, uncool or whatever, and who think more about what kind of technological gadgetry will attract the chicks are better off looking for a new hobby - seriously.

Edit: Happy holidays, PC- and console gamers alike, by the way!

Lol. Industry insiders say that, eh? What geniuses. Next-gen consoles have always struggled to even compete with PCs, and have never "beat" them.

the_bi99man

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

Its all rumors but I think the consoles will be around gtx 680 in power.

slipknot0129

Plus cpu's are much more power efficient too. If they dont use a igp then that cpu uses so little power. Igp's is where a lot of the power in a cpu goes to nowadays.

If the cpu has a igp in it then it will be even easier for the system to have graphics as powerful as a gtx 680. The main gpu would use less energy due to there being another gpu in the cpu. This would allow for more watts for graphics due to the heat being more spread out.

oh god the things you read in these forums LOL

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Lol. Industry insiders say that, eh? What geniuses. Next-gen consoles have always struggled to even compete with PCs, and have never "beat" them.

jwsoul

Yeah they can't start making consoles upgradeable. That would completely defeat the purpose. It really has just recently started to become a big issue because, not only is PC hardware advancing faster than ever, but the current consoles are just too old. They've been around without replacements longer than any other previous generations of consoles. Especially now, 6-7 (maybe even more) years is way too long to go without an upgrade. What the console makers need to do, is go back to putting out new consoles faster. Stop milking consoles with countless "hardware revisions", or adding more peripherals that real gamers hardly ever use. Just make a significant upgrade, and start selling a new console every 4 years, maybe 5 at the most.

When a next gen console releases you have 2 options. You can

a) shell out hundreds of dollars on a platform with 1 or 2 games on it or

b) shell out hundreds of dollars on a platform with thousands of games availible for it

I wouldn't mind buying a console that's been out for a while but buying them at launch is either for the dim witted or the rich.

As for the graphics issue - it really doesn't matter to me at all. What's most important is not necessarily the hardware but rather the games that are availible on it.

darktruth007

[QUOTE="darktruth007"]

When a next gen console releases you have 2 options. You can

a) shell out hundreds of dollars on a platform with 1 or 2 games on it or

b) shell out hundreds of dollars on a platform with thousands of games availible for it

I wouldn't mind buying a console that's been out for a while but buying them at launch is either for the dim witted or the rich.

As for the graphics issue - it really doesn't matter to me at all. What's most important is not necessarily the hardware but rather the games that are availible on it.

Addict187

I got to play halo 4 the other day it i was like wow they can make games look that good now.Addict187

That was seriously your reaction? Haven't play games on a competent PC in a few years, have you?

I'm fine with having a gaming PC and a console, I just use my PC to play more thoughSweetbackhair

Regardless of what happens next gen, i'm sinking my hard earned cash into my PC. I may pick up the consoles depending on their exclusive list of games, otherwise there's no point at all.

Lol @ the insiders. My dog could tell you the PC rips the consoles a new a$$hole. PC gaming for life ;)