is D&D gaming dead

the last half-decent D&D game we got was neverwinter nights 2, and that was in 2006.

daggerdale was a terrible action game

will we ever see the quality of baldurs gate/icewind dale type D&D rpg's again.

probably not any time soon. The developers would rather target masses than niche audiences

the last half-decent D&D game we got was neverwinter nights 2, and that was in 2006.

daggerdale was a terrible action game

will we ever see the quality of baldurs gate/icewind dale type D&D rpg's again.

Deano

Right now D&D gaming is pretty deadish. But there are stuff to do nevertheless, like playing the Temple of Elemental Evil mod Circle of Eight.

Link: http://www.moddb.com/mods/circle-of-eight-modpack

Too complex for today's generation of gamers. Elann2008

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Too complex for today's generation of gamers. spittis

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Too complex for today's generation of gamers. spittis

I agree, i think most "new" RPG fans would consider those games too slow, and for that reason the big companies won't put money in trying to make a game like Planescape Torment (despite the fact that it is still considered one of the best game ever made, likewise with BG and Fallout). It's just to risky and has small chances of success, especially when people (me for one) are gonna compare them to the great classics.

It's sad really, but you find the same trend in other media like film and books. Faster and easier is the name of the game. Luckily the smaller indie devs and modders still dare to make games with slower paste an a more complex skill system and\or story. So no need to be bitter....yet :)

Everything old gets its renaissance, just look at the adventure genre. So maybe...Baldurs Gate 3? :)

Well, there's the new DnD Online expansion pack and F2P MMO, Neverwinter, but I suppose that's not what you had in mind.

Yes, it's a bit of a shame since Dungeons & Dragons has a lot of interesting settings and good lore. If the game rules translated into video game format are too slow, can't they just modify them? I think KotOR was based on a modified version of DnD.

edit: the DnD MMO also doesn't follow the tabletop rules too strictly.

Good story telling and a deep storyline doesn't sell anymore. We will probably never see anything like Mask of the Betrayer(best RPG experince for me) again.

Story telling is pretty much all that get's made anymore...what's not being made (at least as much by the big boys) is deep and complicated systems, turn based combat, and a focus on interactive/atmospheric worlds. Instead most RPG's that come out are basically interactive story-time and relationship managers.

The first D&D based games I played (Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Eye of the Beholder, Dark Queen of Krynn, ect) didn't have such heavy handed focus on story telling. Honestly I would give anything for a new Temple of Elemental Evil or something similar. Yes, all those games have story but it wasn't so heavy handed and it was more about exploring a world with a party of your choosing, and making your own way through it.

Well there's always the tabletop game. ;) 5.0 is being rumored! :o The last great D&D RPG in my eyes was the original Neverwinter Nights. Timeless classic.CaptainAhab13

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Go check out Dungeons of Dredmore and other Rougelikes (it's a genre). That's the genre for you.

They are alive and well.

Big budget games don't do that kind of gameplay because the audience is tiny. The indie game scene has picked up the slack as game development costs skyrocket while the hardcore RPG gamer market stays the same size.

Well, there's the new DnD Online expansion pack and F2P MMO, Neverwinter, but I suppose that's not what you had in mind.

Yes, it's a bit of a shame since Dungeons & Dragons has a lot of interesting settings and good lore. If the game rules translated into video game format are too slow, can't they just modify them? I think KotOR was based on a modified version of DnD.

edit: the DnD MMO also doesn't follow the tabletop rules too strictly.

Jabby250

Dungeons and Dragons is a role playing system.. The lore and settings are completely independent of that..

D&D is alive and well, just not in video games. Play the game like it was meant to be played, with some friends on a table. Or better than that, play Pathfinder :)

[QUOTE="Jabby250"]

Well, there's the new DnD Online expansion pack and F2P MMO, Neverwinter, but I suppose that's not what you had in mind.

Yes, it's a bit of a shame since Dungeons & Dragons has a lot of interesting settings and good lore. If the game rules translated into video game format are too slow, can't they just modify them? I think KotOR was based on a modified version of DnD.

edit: the DnD MMO also doesn't follow the tabletop rules too strictly.

sSubZerOo

Dungeons and Dragons is a role playing system.. The lore and settings are completely independent of that..

What exactly are you trying to say? The Dungeons & Dragons ruleset is primarily used in... DnD campaign settings. Not certain where you're trying to get at. Dungeons & Dragons is = multiple settings.

Can the DnD ruleset be used independently of the available settings? Certainly, though I imagine anything unathourized by the publishers would cause copyright issues.

I've never played a "true DnD" game. I feel like it's not because I purposefully avoided the, but I joined PC gaming too late. I can see how they could be fun, but I could also see how they'd be too slow. It would almost depend on if "I'm in the mood" to play a DnD game.

[QUOTE="CaptainAhab13"]Well there's always the tabletop game. ;) 5.0 is being rumored! :o The last great D&D RPG in my eyes was the original Neverwinter Nights. Timeless classic.Johnny_Rock

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I've never played a "true DnD" game. I feel like it's not because I purposefully avoided the, but I joined PC gaming too late. I can see how they could be fun, but I could also see how they'd be too slow. It would almost depend on if "I'm in the mood" to play a DnD game.

Cwagmire21

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="CaptainAhab13"]Well there's always the tabletop game. ;) 5.0 is being rumored! :o The last great D&D RPG in my eyes was the original Neverwinter Nights. Timeless classic.CaptainAhab13

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New D&D

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Jabby250"]

Well, there's the new DnD Online expansion pack and F2P MMO, Neverwinter, but I suppose that's not what you had in mind.

Yes, it's a bit of a shame since Dungeons & Dragons has a lot of interesting settings and good lore. If the game rules translated into video game format are too slow, can't they just modify them? I think KotOR was based on a modified version of DnD.

edit: the DnD MMO also doesn't follow the tabletop rules too strictly.

Jabby250

Dungeons and Dragons is a role playing system.. The lore and settings are completely independent of that..

What exactly are you trying to say? The Dungeons & Dragons ruleset is primarily used in... DnD campaign settings. Not certain where you're trying to get at. Dungeons & Dragons is = multiple settings.

Can the DnD ruleset be used independently of the available settings? Certainly, though I imagine anything unathourized by the publishers would cause copyright issues.

DnD settings can amount to ANYTHING from scifi to onwards.. In PnP its not slaved to a single setting what so ever.

will we ever see the quality of baldurs gate/icewind dale type D&D rpg's again.

You could try out NwN2 and some Persistant Worlds which actually require you to Role play an D&D Character (an Vharaun Drow Priest for example). It's kinda like an MMO in the D&D Setting with the Focus primary on Role playing. There are some very good PWs out there if youre into that kind of stuff.

Right now D&D gaming is pretty deadish. But there are stuff to do nevertheless, like playing the Temple of Elemental Evil mod Circle of Eight.

Link: http://www.moddb.com/mods/circle-of-eight-modpack

robertlie

Good suggestion right here. ToEE has a great combat system for d&d, not the real time bs. Another good d&d game is Knights of the Chalice. It's a turn based indie game which uses the 3.5 rules. Very well done tactical combat and AI. There's a demo, so you can try it out too.

http://www.heroicfantasygames.com/

I'm actually about to start a full runthrough of the Gold Box games, myself. You can import characters from one game to another.

There's also Dark Sun: Shattered Lands, which has some good turn based combat.

Renevent42 is right, when i grew up in the 80's, d&d was not all about 'epic storytelling' (although PST is a great game), it was more about dungeon crawling, adventuring, and kicking some ass !!

And about p&p d&d... It's not that easy to find friends to actually play with. And playing with strangers seems a little odd and less than optimal.

I predict we'll start seeing some lower budget indie games to cater to this niche. Doubt there will be too many more mainstream games, when you can make broader adventure RPGs that will cater to the gaming market in its entirety (consoles, pcs, etc)

I would love a New 2012 D&D style game but, it does seem pretty dead mainly cause of the niche audience like others have said this kind of makes me want to play some old D&D style games now actually..SaintJimmmy

Haha. A 2012 version would have a kiddy WoW artstyle, romances and button mashing for gameplay. I want an 80's style turn based d&d CRPG with updated graphics and animations.