How is Skyrim Ugly?

So I keep reading responses on these forums that Skyrim is supposedly ugly. Now from what we have seen from the xbox footage, the game looks really good. It has a great art style that is overall much improved on Oblivion. Texturaly speaking even modded Oblivion had crappy textures. So from that standpoint this game already looks better. This game has vastly improved and realistic looking characters. The environments look so much more detailed and varied, plus people seem to forget this is a vast open expansive world. It's not like The Witcher 2 which has smaller environments. Speaking of The Witcher and Crysis, I don't expect this game to be competing with them for top overall graphics. But the reality is, it doesn't have to. I do expect to see an increase in texture sizes and resolution. The relative lack of sharpness would just be because of console footage. As a matter of fact I expect to see more graphical improvements for PC than a lot of multiplats, Mass Effect 2, I'm looking at you.

I expect to see each Dungeon different from the last one (*cough* Oblivion *cough)FelipeInside

Well they did say that they handmade each one this time around.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]I expect to see each Dungeon different from the last one (*cough* Oblivion *cough)marq4porsche

Well they did say that they handmade each one this time around.

i hope its not. I'll make my decision when i see the pc version playing on my PC. IM STOKED ABOUT THE SCALE

i hope its not. I'll make my decision when i see the pc version playing on my PC. IM STOKED ABOUT THE SCALE

jettpack

Is it bigger than Oblivion?

Is it bigger than WoW?

(who cares anyway, I won't be playing it, lol....)

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i hope its not. I'll make my decision when i see the pc version playing on my PC. IM STOKED ABOUT THE SCALE

FelipeInside

Is it bigger than Oblivion?

Is it bigger than WoW?

(who cares anyway, I won't be playing it, lol....)

It's the same size as Oblivion and has more content overall.

It is smaller than WoW but wow is not an mmo, it's single player. Plus it has more detail per area.

Many millions of people care and will be buying the game.

It has improved art style, but it still looks like Oblivion. Therefor it still looks UGLY.

It has improved art style, but it still looks like Oblivion. Therefor it still looks UGLY.

ChubbyGuy40

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It has improved art style, but it still looks like Oblivion. Therefor it still looks UGLY.

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

It has improved art style, but it still looks like Oblivion. Therefor it still looks UGLY.

KHAndAnime

the only people who think that skyrim looks ugly are those wearing hater glasses

Well they did say that they handmade each one this time around.

marq4porsche

I can "handmake" a shipload of different dungeons as well. Doesn't mean they're all different if they share the same tileset. For reference, Oblivion had 3 tilesets (Ayleid ruins, caves, forts) for what...almost 200 dungeons?

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

It has improved art style, but it still looks like Oblivion. Therefor it still looks UGLY.

KHAndAnime

You mean that mod that's basically a total overhaul?

the only people who think that skyrim looks ugly are those wearing hater glasses

linkin_guy109

Yep, god forbid the fact that some people actually have working eyes :roll:

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"]

the only people who think that skyrim looks ugly are those wearing hater glasses

N30F3N1X

Yep, god forbid the fact that some people actually have working eyes :roll:

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

It has improved art style, but it still looks like Oblivion. Therefor it still looks UGLY.

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

It has improved art style, but it still looks like Oblivion. Therefor it still looks UGLY.

gameguy6700

I disagree, mainly about Skyrim though. We have only seen Xbox 360 footage of the game. The low res textures stem purely from that. What I have seen of the textures is that they are emenently more detailed and realistic than Oblivions. The water has also seen huge improvements. The trees are made by an artist now instead of speedtree. There is much more variety in vistas. Where have you seen poor quality models, the models I've seen look excellent. The art style is also massively improved. I mean look at the huge variety the game has. PS, XBOX 360 footage.

No, it can't be true. ES was an epic series right from the beginning and created by one of the most talented team i.e. Bethesda.

I trust Bethesda and Skyrim won't take the series down, instead it's gonna be one of the finest contender for the game of the year award.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Are people BLIND??? Do you honestly think OBLIVION was UGLY? Maybe you need to upgrade ur Black and White monitor....marq4porsche

I disagree, mainly about Skyrim though. We have only seen Xbox 360 footage of the game. The low res textures stem purely from that. What I have seen of the textures is that they are emenently more detailed and realistic than Oblivions. The water has also seen huge improvements. The trees are made by an artist now instead of speedtree. There is much more variety in vistas. Where have you seen poor quality models, the models I've seen look excellent. The art style is also massively improved. I mean look at the huge variety the game has. PS, XBOX 360 footage.

So I keep reading responses on these forums that Skyrim is supposedly ugly. Now from what we have seen from the xbox footage, the game looks really good. It has a great art style that is overall much improved on Oblivion. Texturaly speaking even modded Oblivion had crappy textures. So from that standpoint this game already looks better. This game has vastly improved and realistic looking characters. The environments look so much more detailed and varied, plus people seem to forget this is a vast open expansive world. It's not like The Witcher 2 which has smaller environments. Speaking of The Witcher and Crysis, I don't expect this game to be competing with them for top overall graphics. But the reality is, it doesn't have to. I do expect to see an increase in texture sizes and resolution. The relative lack of sharpness would just be because of console footage. As a matter of fact I expect to see more graphical improvements for PC than a lot of multiplats, Mass Effect 2, I'm looking at you.

marq4porsche

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Are people BLIND??? Do you honestly think OBLIVION was UGLY? Maybe you need to upgrade ur Black and White monitor....FelipeInside

That looks quite horrible... Sorry.

Bad textures, strange colors and bland environments.

Still looks pretty good to me, though the character models could have been better. Maybe I'm not picky enough.

[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"] Oblivion looked phenomenal for its time. However, it hasn't aged well at all, mostly thanks to its low resolution textures, bad animations, bad water, and poor quality models (the swords look like bulky plastic toy swords, not like sharp metal blades). This is a problem with the Gamebryo engine in general, and Fallout 3 and NV (especially NV) suffer from the same problems. It also doesn't help that Oblivion had a really bland art styIe that did nothing to aid the graphics. Skyrim itself also looks to suffer from many of Oblivion's same graphics issues. Extremely low resolution textures, bland art styIe, and poor quality models. The only major improvement is the character faces which finally look decent. As a result, people aren't happy with the way Skyrim looks. Personally I'm not even very interested in the game in large part because of the graphics. Usually I don't care too much about graphics, but for some reason Bethesda's games in particular just have a combination of bad graphics and bad art direction that winds up making their games look hideous. Not dated or bad mind you, but downright ugly.gameguy6700

I disagree, mainly about Skyrim though. We have only seen Xbox 360 footage of the game. The low res textures stem purely from that. What I have seen of the textures is that they are emenently more detailed and realistic than Oblivions. The water has also seen huge improvements. The trees are made by an artist now instead of speedtree. There is much more variety in vistas. Where have you seen poor quality models, the models I've seen look excellent. The art style is also massively improved. I mean look at the huge variety the game has. PS, XBOX 360 footage.

Yeah, they would show off the game on consoles and it's purely a business decission. They're gonna make a ton of money off of the consoles so why shouldn't they show xbox footage? Plus what studio in their right mind would piss off the majority of their fanbase intentionally? Do you understand how business works? That is not to say I'm not anticipating the PC footage, I know it's gonna look better than what we've seen already. If you think they're gonna use the same textures as consoles than you're gonna be severly disappointed. Bethesda isn't Crytek my friend.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

I disagree, mainly about Skyrim though. We have only seen Xbox 360 footage of the game. The low res textures stem purely from that. What I have seen of the textures is that they are emenently more detailed and realistic than Oblivions. The water has also seen huge improvements. The trees are made by an artist now instead of speedtree. There is much more variety in vistas. Where have you seen poor quality models, the models I've seen look excellent. The art style is also massively improved. I mean look at the huge variety the game has. PS, XBOX 360 footage.

marq4porsche

Yeah, they would show off the game on consoles and it's purely a business decission. They're gonna make a ton of money off of the consoles so why shouldn't they show xbox footage? Plus what studio in their right mind would piss off the majority of their fanbase intentionally? Do you understand how business works? That is not to say I'm not anticipating the PC footage, I know it's gonna look better than what we've seen already. If you think they're gonna use the same textures as consoles than you're gonna be severly disappointed. Bethesda isn't Crytek my friend.

I swear pc gamers have double standards when it comes to video games. PC gamers care the most about graphics, but try to convince others that they are more interested in gameplay and story over graphics. If a game is from a dev they like any graphical or techincal hiccups are excused, but if its a dev/pub they hate only bad things will be said. Everyone gets on these "hating" bandwagons and end up arguing and complaining about a game they never have or will ever play than discussing games they enjoy.

I swear pc gamers have double standards when it comes to video games. PC gamers care the most about graphics, but try to convince others that they are more interested in gameplay and story over graphics. If a game is from a dev they like any graphical or techincal hiccups are excused, but if its a dev/pub they hate only bad things will be said. Everyone gets on these "hating" bandwagons and end up arguing and complaining about a game they never have or will ever play than discussing games they enjoy.

tutt3r

For people that consider their games some of the most gruesome abominations created by man, picking on graphics is the only consolation. Modded looks fantastic for still images (artistic) but everything looks awkward (oblivion), for me at least, as a standard game it's pretty bad and I feel sorry for people that still have faith in Bethesda to make it look better than we already saw (Skyrim), it'll be identical, as usual it's up to the community to make a decent story, fix NPCs, make better quests, better textures, alter gameplay or improve it, maybe add some new video features and a lot of content to fill the void world.

They promissed a lot of things, it'll be great if it has all that (economical factors and such AKA a lively world), but what they say sounds awesome while what they show looks like child's play compared to how "complexe" they make it sound, for a studio that always promisses way, way, WAY more than what they can deliver, it's too naive to think "OMG IT GONNA ROCK, THEY SAID SO".

I swear pc gamers have double standards when it comes to video games. PC gamers care the most about graphics, but try to convince others that they are more interested in gameplay and story over graphics. If a game is from a dev they like any graphical or techincal hiccups are excused, but if its a dev/pub they hate only bad things will be said. Everyone gets on these "hating" bandwagons and end up arguing and complaining about a game they never have or will ever play than discussing games they enjoy.

tutt3r

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I swear pc gamers have double standards when it comes to video games. PC gamers care the most about graphics, but try to convince others that they are more interested in gameplay and story over graphics. If a game is from a dev they like any graphical or techincal hiccups are excused, but if its a dev/pub they hate only bad things will be said. Everyone gets on these "hating" bandwagons and end up arguing and complaining about a game they never have or will ever play than discussing games they enjoy.

gameguy6700

Here lies the problem..Not every game is going to be maxed because of the days of consolites..They have to make sure it can run on the xbox blah blah..Skyrim is basically a port to the pc..Its a shame, because thats where bethestha got its start..How ever they care more about consoles now than they do the pc..Its just a fact these days..Thats why they can care less weather or not it fits your standard..Most of us are not as picky when it comes to our games like some of yall..Skyrim still looks pretty good even though its a port..Maybe later on they will introduce a dx11 version of the game..Also thats why there are mods for games these days..You dont have to agree with what bethestha is doing..How ever its how it is these days its unfortunate how ever..Its wrong for them to remember where they got there start..How ever there not the only company doin this..Gta to name one is another..They forget where they got there start..

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

I swear pc gamers have double standards when it comes to video games. PC gamers care the most about graphics, but try to convince others that they are more interested in gameplay and story over graphics. If a game is from a dev they like any graphical or techincal hiccups are excused, but if its a dev/pub they hate only bad things will be said. Everyone gets on these "hating" bandwagons and end up arguing and complaining about a game they never have or will ever play than discussing games they enjoy.

gameguy6700

My main point was how anything by activision, EA, ubisoft automatically gets a lot of criticism, a lot of it blown completely out of proportion. Games by valve, cdkey, tripwire, etc. people will more often than not defend every action despite glaring flaws in core gameplay citing their dedication to pc gamers as enough reason to love them.

A good example is how everyone trashes COD games for looking bad (but in reality its really isnt) and using the same old engine, but valve gets a pass for using the same engine for the past decade as well. Or how Deus Ex doesnt look the sharpest but everyone looks past that fact because the gameplay is so great, however when people start talking about Crysis 2 they cant seem to stop moaning about how they wished it looked like real life. What about the new Red Orchestra game? It clearly isnt half as good looking as Skyrim or other 2011 releases, but people aren't complaining about its graphics.

Still looks pretty good to me, though the character models could have been better. Maybe I'm not picky enough.

caseystryker

Is this modded? well water relection ain't, but that wall texture looks way too sharp.

Anyways, oblivion was impressive when it was released, and still looked awesome 2 years later. Then u just noticed that engine was getting old and noticed most flaws. I've never modded oblivion, and as lot of ppl been sayin, oblivion itself looks beautiful, but what lacked of quality were the faces. They had poor quality, weird colors and they were all about the same. Thats not happenin in skyrim and they also fixed the gay oblivion/fallout character slide side walking.

Horse in oblivion felt like floating and skyrim horse movement isn't that great... but idc, nothing can be worse than the assassins creed horse movement... aghhh disgusting

The only thing TRULY UGLY about Oblivion was the faces. And people who think Skyrim doesn't look much improved over Oblivion are not really bothering themselves to SEE.jedinat

my only issue is, will it surpass my own personally modded oblivion? :P

Texture horrible low res, Low draw distance. Faces are horrible as always. Obvious console port. Shall I go on?

Texture horrible low res, Low draw distance. Faces are horrible as always. Obvious console port. Shall I go on?

morrowindnic

Texture horrible low res, Low draw distance. Faces are horrible as always. Obvious console port. Shall I go on?

morrowindnic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hARh8IzA2-g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic6dKnv3WdU

On the wild part looks pretty impressive, even those rock textures are pretty simple and as u can see they load when looking at em, but water looks amazing.

Now regarding to npcs, even thou they improved the faces, there are some flickering shadows aroudn their faces/neck just like in oblivion, they walk like retarded and it's terribad when they walk on the stairs..

Anyways, name me a game u've seen that looks graphically better than this? Your expectations are way too far from reality, when this game outperforms graphically any actual game..

The game "looks" fine but it's the other stuff, the stream-lining, that concerns me. After Oblivion I didn't think it was possible for Bethesda to simplify the Elder Scrolls series more than they already had but, if what I've read about Skyrim can be believed, Bethesda may have achieved the unthinkable.

It doesn't really matter to me. This has always been a bargain bin purchase at best.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

It has improved art style, but it still looks like Oblivion. Therefor it still looks UGLY.

FelipeInside

Uhhh...yeah. It's very, very ugly. Sorry if I don't find a randomly generated/SpeedTree'd forest "good looking." Modders put bethesda to shame at their own game.

[QUOTE="tutt3r"]

I swear pc gamers have double standards when it comes to video games. PC gamers care the most about graphics, but try to convince others that they are more interested in gameplay and story over graphics. If a game is from a dev they like any graphical or techincal hiccups are excused, but if its a dev/pub they hate only bad things will be said. Everyone gets on these "hating" bandwagons and end up arguing and complaining about a game they never have or will ever play than discussing games they enjoy.

gameguy6700

So you expect ALL PC games released today to look like Crysis or The Witcher?? Even though this game is many times larger and completely open while those games are. Someone doesn't have a clue about how game development works I see. What about Deus Ex? Portal 2? Dragon Age: Origin? Fallout New Vegas? Team Fortress? WoW? Star Wars, TOP? Do these games have to look like Crysis too? This really does beg the question of if PC gamers only care about graphics.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="morrowindnic"]

Texture horrible low res, Low draw distance. Faces are horrible as always. Obvious console port. Shall I go on?

morrowindnic

Hmm lets see "How is skyrim ugly?" Yea I think I answered that. Go troll somewhere else kid.

Have you even seen any footage of the games?

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"] Every TES game is like that...if you dont like it, then....why are you here?marq4porsche

Hmm lets see "How is skyrim ugly?" Yea I think I answered that. Go troll somewhere else kid.

Have you even seen any footage of the games?

Yep, looks like another console game. Clearly low rez tuxtures, low detal LOD, blurry distant textures. ect, ect.

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[QUOTE="morrowindnic"]

Hmm lets see "How is skyrim ugly?" Yea I think I answered that. Go troll somewhere else kid.

morrowindnic

Have you even seen any footage of the games?

Yep, looks like another console game. Clearly low rez tuxtures, low detal LOD, blurry distant textures. ect, ect.

Game looks fine, people are just obsessing over texture quality. Skyrim, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, and even Dragon Age 2 all look good enough to get the message across and have enough detail so the environment tells a story.

People want something that looks terrible? Go look at Gothic 2 or Neverwinter Nights 1. I'll admit that I have a really hard time playing early 3D games despite growing up on them. Since 2004 or so graphics hit a level where a game no longer looks 'bad' but simply has less of the new lighting or shadow features that most new games have.