Fail...Aion Open Beta

This is a kinda "told you so" to all the people that think because Guild Wars is free, it's an advantage over MMOs, when it is infact not a real MMO.

And yes, AION is lagging a LOT for me too. And I'm having to play on US servers when I'm in the UK.

Open BETA

If ur getting the same performance at the end of the beta then moan.

Open BETA

If ur getting the same performance at the end of the beta then moan.

ajames_123

Latency is not a client-side issue, therefore the fact that it's a beta is completely irrelevant, backed up even more by the fact that it's already a released game in Asia.

This happens in every MMORPG open beta. In the meantime go into low pop server and change zones.

This is a kinda "told you so" to all the people that think because Guild Wars is free, it's an advantage over MMOs, when it is infact not a real MMO.

And yes, AION is lagging a LOT for me too. And I'm having to play on US servers when I'm in the UK.

-Unreal-

[QUOTE="ajames_123"]

Open BETA

If ur getting the same performance at the end of the beta then moan.

Latency is not a client-side issue, therefore the fact that it's a beta is completely irrelevant, backed up even more by the fact that it's already a released game in Asia.

[QUOTE="ajames_123"]

Open BETA

If ur getting the same performance at the end of the beta then moan.

Latency is not a client-side issue, therefore the fact that it's a beta is completely irrelevant, backed up even more by the fact that it's already a released game in Asia.

Open BETA

If ur getting the same performance at the end of the beta then moan.

ajames_123

open beta = 99.999999% finished

open beta = free publicity

open beta = practically finished product

The game is finished, and whatever problems it is having now will be present in the boxed version

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

This is a kinda "told you so" to all the people that think because Guild Wars is free, it's an advantage over MMOs, when it is infact not a real MMO.

And yes, AION is lagging a LOT for me too. And I'm having to play on US servers when I'm in the UK.

SpaceMoose

The NCsoft launcher is garbage, really. It is slow as hell and most of the time it just stops responding. The game has major issues with updates too. If the launcher tries to update the game, it comes back telling you that there's a server problem, or another error. Sometimes the game just crashes before it loads to the main menu, giving a Windows error message with random question marks similar to "????????????? ??? ??????"

When you finally do get into the game, it's so laggy at the moment, you can't do much anyway, and often you will just get a message saying you have lost connection to the server, and instead of the game returning back to the main menu, it does the strange thing of closing completely, and opening your web browser to Aion's website. :roll:

The game itself though seems pretty stable, it's more issues with network and interface that they need to overcome because those are issues that prevent you from even testing the game.

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

This is a kinda "told you so" to all the people that think because Guild Wars is free, it's an advantage over MMOs, when it is infact not a real MMO.

And yes, AION is lagging a LOT for me too. And I'm having to play on US servers when I'm in the UK.

-Unreal-

The NCsoft launcher is garbage, really. It is slow as hell and most of the time it just stops responding. The game has major issues with updates too. If the launcher tries to update the game, it comes back telling you that there's a server problem, or another error. Sometimes the game just crashes before it loads to the main menu, giving a Windows error message with random question marks similar to "????????????? ??? ??????"

When you finally do get into the game, it's so laggy at the moment, you can't do much anyway, and often you will just get a message saying you have lost connection to the server, and instead of the game returning back to the main menu, it does the strange thing of closing completely, and opening your web browser to Aion's website. :roll:

The game itself though seems pretty stable, it's more issues with network and interface that they need to overcome because those are issues that prevent you from even testing the game.

That makes no sense as GW was developed and is run by ANet, not NCsoft. NCsoft just publishes it.

NCsoft also publishes and has developed many other none free to play games so GW has no bearing on Aion at all ;)

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

This is a kinda "told you so" to all the people that think because Guild Wars is free, it's an advantage over MMOs, when it is infact not a real MMO.

And yes, AION is lagging a LOT for me too. And I'm having to play on US servers when I'm in the UK.

-Unreal-

The NCsoft launcher is garbage, really. It is slow as hell and most of the time it just stops responding. The game has major issues with updates too. If the launcher tries to update the game, it comes back telling you that there's a server problem, or another error. Sometimes the game just crashes before it loads to the main menu, giving a Windows error message with random question marks similar to "????????????? ??? ??????"

When you finally do get into the game, it's so laggy at the moment, you can't do much anyway, and often you will just get a message saying you have lost connection to the server, and instead of the game returning back to the main menu, it does the strange thing of closing completely, and opening your web browser to Aion's website. :roll:

The game itself though seems pretty stable, it's more issues with network and interface that they need to overcome because those are issues that prevent you from even testing the game.

If I'm kind of all over the place here, it's because I really don't understand what angle you are coming from with regards to bringing up Guild Wars. This is kind of a "told you so" with regards to Guild Wars because it's a game with a subscription fee that has problems like almost every other MMORPG does early on...and furthermore when it's still in beta? I do not follow that at all.

Dude its a freaking beta!!!! Of course their will be bugs and lag in a beta stop ****

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"][QUOTE="Mograine"]

Latency is not a client-side issue, therefore the fact that it's a beta is completely irrelevant, backed up even more by the fact that it's already a released game in Asia.

F1_2004

A beta is designed to test more than the client, so I'm not sure what you mean. The server infrastructure is also tested during beta and stress tests. And that's probably exactly the point of an open beta. The client itself is relatively polished, it's all the other stuff they need to work on.

His very clear point was that it's already a released game in Asia, so the netcode is already well-tested and probably about as good as it'll get.

Are you saying that all the asians are probably having the same issues and have been unable to play all this time?

Come on, get real.

Its an open-beta and they are probably, nope, they are definitely stress-testing the servers beyond their limit. Most of the open betas that I've been through are like that.

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"] So...Guild Wars is also published by NCSoft, but how does that game not having a subscription fee have anything at all to do with this thread?SpaceMoose

The NCsoft launcher is garbage, really. It is slow as hell and most of the time it just stops responding. The game has major issues with updates too. If the launcher tries to update the game, it comes back telling you that there's a server problem, or another error. Sometimes the game just crashes before it loads to the main menu, giving a Windows error message with random question marks similar to "????????????? ??? ??????"

When you finally do get into the game, it's so laggy at the moment, you can't do much anyway, and often you will just get a message saying you have lost connection to the server, and instead of the game returning back to the main menu, it does the strange thing of closing completely, and opening your web browser to Aion's website. :roll:

The game itself though seems pretty stable, it's more issues with network and interface that they need to overcome because those are issues that prevent you from even testing the game.

If I'm kind of all over the place here, it's because I really don't understand what angle you are coming from with regards to bringing up Guild Wars. This is kind of a "told you so" with regards to Guild Wars because it's a game with a subscription fee that has problems like almost every other MMORPG does early on...and furthermore when it's still in beta? I do not follow that at all.

The point is that Aion is an MMO, and MMOs need subscriptions fees to survive the server loads. This is why Guild Wars has no fee, and it not an MMO. Simple as that. It's not anything complicated really, so I don't understand why you're all over the place. Guild Wars is referred to as an MMO game without the monthly fees, that's why I brought it up, because of what's happening with Aion and it's server loads. As for WoW, it was nowhere near as laggy as what Aion is right now. Not even close to it. Being in a Beta stage as you pointed out doesn't make a difference when there's this many issues with the network. The network is a basis for the game. It's one of the foundations and lower levels of the structure of how the game is going to work. If you don't have a stable network in place, your beta testers won't be able to properly test the game engine. Beta testing is clearly about testing, but network related issues that are as bad as they are right now should be sorted at an earlier stage in the game's testing to avoid crippling the later stages of testing various other parts of the game such as the engine, the interface and so on.

-Unreal-

Basically you're saying that something that doesn't even apply to Aion is the reason it's messed up. Either that or you're saying that a game can still be plenty messed up even when it is designed with a subscription fee in mind. Either way, it's pretty irrelevant.

As a bit of an aside, if you think that the overwhelming majority of the revenue from subscription fees for successful MMORPGs is not profit, then I think you need to stop listening to PR people so much.

The point is that Aion is an MMO, and MMOs need subscriptions fees to survive the server loads. This is why Guild Wars has no fee, and it not an MMO. Simple as that. It's not anything complicated really, so I don't understand why you're all over the place. Guild Wars is referred to as an MMO game without the monthly fees, that's why I brought it up, because of what's happening with Aion and it's server loads. As for WoW, it was nowhere near as laggy as what Aion is right now. Not even close to it. Being in a Beta stage as you pointed out doesn't make a difference when there's this many issues with the network. The network is a basis for the game. It's one of the foundations and lower levels of the structure of how the game is going to work. If you don't have a stable network in place, your beta testers won't be able to properly test the game engine. Beta testing is clearly about testing, but network related issues that are as bad as they are right now should be sorted at an earlier stage in the game's testing to avoid crippling the later stages of testing various other parts of the game such as the engine, the interface and so on.

-Unreal-

Aion will have a subscription fee. It is Aion the OP was talking about not GW. So why bring GW into it? They're developed and run by two different companies.

If you're saying GW is fail because it has no subscription fee then that's a whole different subject and you should start a new thread about it :) As Aion is NOT developed by ANet - as GW is - you cannot blame ANet/GW and their desire not to charge a subsription fee for a totally different game's apparent lag problems.

You're making no sense.

NCsoft has MANY subscription based MMOs so your argument does not work. At all.

Sounds like just an excuse to diss a game that doesn't have a subscription fee. Again, you might want to start a different thread for that and call it something like "GW R Fail" ;)

Well, I leveled up to lvl 11 last night, there was some lag, but that is to be expected, It is still in Beta after all. Durring my lvling I had an epiphany...this is a great MMO. I feel bad that some of you couldn't come away with as great of an experience as I did opening day. I will be playing this game for a long time. The graphics are outstanding, the gameplay is immersive, and teh combo combat system feels alot more epic then anything I have played before.

Well, I leveled up to lvl 11 last night, there was some lag, but that is to be expected, It is still in Beta after all. Durring my lvling I had an epiphany...this is a great MMO. I feel bad that some of you couldn't come away with as great of an experience as I did opening day. I will be playing this game for a long time. The graphics are outstanding, the gameplay is immersive, and teh combo combat system feels alot more epic then anything I have played before.

hoadsw

Sounds like it could be an enjoyable game then :) Thanks for letting us know something positive.

I'll be waiting to see if there's a trail before going out and buying it I think, but good and bad reviews are welcomed :p

[QUOTE="hoadsw"]

Well, I leveled up to lvl 11 last night, there was some lag, but that is to be expected, It is still in Beta after all. Durring my lvling I had an epiphany...this is a great MMO. I feel bad that some of you couldn't come away with as great of an experience as I did opening day. I will be playing this game for a long time. The graphics are outstanding, the gameplay is immersive, and teh combo combat system feels alot more epic then anything I have played before.

ArtemisAnimus

Sounds like it could be an enjoyable game then :) Thanks for letting us know something positive.

I'll be waiting to see if there's a trail before going out and buying it I think, but good and bad reviews are welcomed :p

This is a kinda "told you so" to all the people that think because Guild Wars is free, it's an advantage over MMOs, when it is infact not a real MMO.

And yes, AION is lagging a LOT for me too. And I'm having to play on US servers when I'm in the UK.

-Unreal-

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"][QUOTE="Mograine"]

Latency is not a client-side issue, therefore the fact that it's a beta is completely irrelevant, backed up even more by the fact that it's already a released game in Asia.

F1_2004

His very clear point was that it's already a released game in Asia, so the netcode is already well-tested and probably about as good as it'll get.

I didn't say netcode... it's not like they can copy and paste a server farm from Asia :)

maybe the servers were overloaded

Well I would assume they are overloaded, I don't know the exact figure but i would imagine a couple hundred thousand people trying to log in at once would cause some server issues.

this is not your average beta as it already runs for months in asia and they should have foreseen these problems anyways being it hyped so much

I hope by the time it goes live they have x times as much servers as they have now or they wont hold

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

The point is that Aion is an MMO, and MMOs need subscriptions fees to survive the server loads. This is why Guild Wars has no fee, and it not an MMO. Simple as that. It's not anything complicated really, so I don't understand why you're all over the place. Guild Wars is referred to as an MMO game without the monthly fees, that's why I brought it up, because of what's happening with Aion and it's server loads. As for WoW, it was nowhere near as laggy as what Aion is right now. Not even close to it. Being in a Beta stage as you pointed out doesn't make a difference when there's this many issues with the network. The network is a basis for the game. It's one of the foundations and lower levels of the structure of how the game is going to work. If you don't have a stable network in place, your beta testers won't be able to properly test the game engine. Beta testing is clearly about testing, but network related issues that are as bad as they are right now should be sorted at an earlier stage in the game's testing to avoid crippling the later stages of testing various other parts of the game such as the engine, the interface and so on.

ArtemisAnimus

Aion will have a subscription fee. It is Aion the OP was talking about not GW. So why bring GW into it? They're developed and run by two different companies.

If you're saying GW is fail because it has no subscription fee then that's a whole different subject and you should start a new thread about it :) As Aion is NOT developed by ANet - as GW is - you cannot blame ANet/GW and their desire not to charge a subsription fee for a totally different game's apparent lag problems.

You're making no sense.

NCsoft has MANY subscription based MMOs so your argument does not work. At all.

Sounds like just an excuse to diss a game that doesn't have a subscription fee. Again, you might want to start a different thread for that and call it something like "GW R Fail" ;)

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

This is a kinda "told you so" to all the people that think because Guild Wars is free, it's an advantage over MMOs, when it is infact not a real MMO.

And yes, AION is lagging a LOT for me too. And I'm having to play on US servers when I'm in the UK.

lettuceman44

Open BETA

If ur getting the same performance at the end of the beta then moan.

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"][QUOTE="-Unreal-"]

This is a kinda "told you so" to all the people that think because Guild Wars is free, it's an advantage over MMOs, when it is infact not a real MMO.

And yes, AION is lagging a LOT for me too. And I'm having to play on US servers when I'm in the UK.

-Unreal-

not unusual at all. WOW's first month was pretty much unplayable on most servers. open beta means a ton of noobs coming to play that won't buy the game so the servers will be pounded. it'll get better though.Ontain

Anyway.. I've been playing without trouble for the last hour or so. If you haven't tried again today, seems like most of the issues have been cleared up..

[QUOTE="ajames_123"]

Open BETA

If ur getting the same performance at the end of the beta then moan.

open beta = 99.999999% finished

open beta = free publicity

open beta = practically finished product

The game is finished, and whatever problems it is having now will be present in the boxed version

I don't play MMOs, but you understand all those sentences condradict themselves. Beta means it's almost a finished product, it's for wait for it..... getting annoying bugs and exploits out.gamerguy845

The game is already released in Asia, and will be released on September 25th in Europe and I guess about the same time in North America.

Such performance issues should have been sorted out during the early stages of beta testing, not two weeks before the game is released worldwide.

The only reason I can think of to justify heavy lag is that they're still setting up dedicated servers in North America, rather than using their own in Korea, but it's still strange at this point.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]not unusual at all. WOW's first month was pretty much unplayable on most servers. open beta means a ton of noobs coming to play that won't buy the game so the servers will be pounded. it'll get better though.SpaceMoose

[QUOTE="ajames_123"]

Open BETA

If ur getting the same performance at the end of the beta then moan.

open beta = 99.999999% finished

open beta = free publicity

open beta = practically finished product

The game is finished, and whatever problems it is having now will be present in the boxed version

The game itself though seems pretty stable, it's more issues with network and interface that they need to overcome because those are issues that prevent you from even testing the game.-Unreal-

Thing is, it isn't the game itself that needs testing..it's already feature-complete (1.5 has been running in Korea for a while now.)

The server hardware is what needs testing. Which is exactly what they're doing; stress testing the server hardware.

It's only the second day, and it seems the adjustments they made earlier cleared up the latency issues for a ton of people, including myself (though they aren't completely gone from what I've been reading.)

Also, doesn't anyone else remember the World of Warcraft Open Beta? :lol: ..there's a reason they put that "beta" there.

Thing is, it isn't the game itself that needs testing..it's already feature-complete (1.5 has been running in Korea for a while now.)

The server hardware is what needs testing. Which is exactly what they're doing; stress testing the server hardware.

It's only the second day, and it seems the adjustments they made earlier cleared up the latency issues for a ton of people, including myself (though they aren't completely gone from what I've been reading.)

Also, doesn't anyone else remember the World of Warcraft Open Beta? :lol: ..there's a reason they put that "beta" there.

Velocitas8

WoW was Blizzard's first MMO, you can't compare the experience NCSoft has with MMORPGs with Blizzard's. A fair comparison would have been WoW with Lineage.

WoW was Blizzard's first MMO, you can't compare the experience NCSoft has with MMORPGs with Blizzard's. A fair comparison would have been WoW with Lineage.Mograine

True. Just making the point that it isn't the final product; people need to calm down a little bit (the in-game chat post-restart on Israphel was ridiculous yesterday.)

NCSoft can't really afford to not have these issues fixed by launch.

failon

Not reading through 2-ish pages so, as Velocitas said, the servers did go down for about an hour today, and when they came back, everything was just peachey. The lag for me was gone as well as just about everyone else as far as region chat went, seems everything is fixed up. For the issue it was they fixed it up pretty fast imo.

Not reading through 2-ish pages so, as Velocitas said, the servers did go down for about an hour today, and when they came back, everything was just peachey. The lag for me was gone as well as just about everyone else as far as region chat went, seems everything is fixed up. For the issue it was they fixed it up pretty fast imo.

trijity

[QUOTE="ajames_123"]

Open BETA

If ur getting the same performance at the end of the beta then moan.

mrbojangles25

open beta = 99.999999% finished

open beta = free publicity

open beta = practically finished product

The game is finished, and whatever problems it is having now will be present in the boxed version