[QUOTE="monco59"] [QUOTE="Flanker15"]It's a pitty they're leaving the WW2 era unfinished with no German, Italian or ANZAC campaigns included. Hopefully in the new game you will get to play as both sides instead of the hollywood "good guys vs bad guys" that they love so much but dosn't exist in reality. IW is quite good at cliche's anyway (COD soviet campaign get shot for retreating lol guess they've never read a history book!" so they might do a good job anyway.Jinroh_basic
I guess you're the one who's never read a history book. The fact of the matter remains, Soviet soldiers were shot if they retreated. Stalin himself famously said "it takes more courage to retreat in the Soviet army than advance", so there ya go. And WWII was all about good guys vs. bad guys, except for Neo-Nazis who think otherwise. Don't ever try to make the argument that the Germans, Italians and Japanese weren't the bad guys. You REALLY need to read a history book, since your view on the matter is so wrong, it would take me a week to try and straighten it out.
you're right about the Red Army's tenacity. but i have to disagree on your opinion that WW2 is a conflict between good and evil. history has taught us that, in essance, no war can be judged -- not through victory or defeat, not through moral values, and definitely not through the keyhole of dichotomy.
WW2 was a tragedy, of course, and the axis countries should be held accountable, as most of them they already are. all these are facts. but nobody can guarantee that, in the midst of brutal killing, any particular party represents justice. think of the executions, rapings, theft, racism, and oppression on civilians perpetrated by BOTH parties. i'm not saying that, because of this, the Alliance was as evil as the fascists. that's not true: the Alliance's cause was just. but to me, something as complicated as politics and history cannot be summarized into an icon. when you are coming up with conclusions like "WW2 was ALL about good vs bad", you lose that objectivity seperating reasons from fendamentalism.
PS/ this post isn't meant to be personal.
But we're not talking about the actions of individual soldiers, but rather the factions/countries involved. When one side is intent on taking over Europe (and indeed, much of the world) and killing off every minority and ethnic group they can find, and the other side is trying to stop this from happening, I think it's fairly safe to say that WWII was all about "good guys vs. bad guys".
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I'm new to the argument, but I'm having a really hard time seeing how the holocaust and its perpetrators and supporters could be considered anything but pure evil. I would say that you could claim that most wars cannot be classified as 'good vs. evil'...but if there were ever a war where that classification applied, it would be WWII. There was not much good in what the Nazis were doing, and Japan was just in it to capitalize on our perceived weakness. Sadly for them and happily for us, they were badly mistaken. The Axis powers had no justification for what they did, and the Allied powers had every justification for doing what they did. If that's not good vs. evil, I don't know what is.theragu40
See, this guy has the right idea!Â
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