New PC build to rival PS4/Xbox720

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#1 Posted by _ButterS_ (29 posts) -

Hello everyone, I just wanted some feedback on a build i'm making for a friend of mine. He really emphasized having good graphics and he also wanted all the bells and whistles of the current PS3 (bluray drive, wifi, and a card reader). He's coming from console gaming and diving into PC gaming which is a huge jump for him. His maximum budget is $900, but this is really stretching it, The $700 range is obviously more desirable for his budget.

With that said, I was thinking about using an I5 (k series) paired with a 7850. Here is the breakdown I put together:

I5 3570k $215http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

ASUS P8B75-V LGA MOBO $90.00http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131835

Seagate 1tb HD $70.00http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840

XFX DD HD7850 2gb $210.00 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150609

Corsair 600w PSU $70.00http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028

LG Bluray Drive $55.00http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136252

Rosewill Card Reader $15.00http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820223103

Apevia Mid Tower ATX Case $50.00http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144259

Enermax Wireless Keyboard and Mouse $14.00http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823219009

The estimated cost for this rig is $910.00 USD. After rebates, it should be $850.00 Please note that additional SATA cables and additional case fans may be required; therefore, the price may slightly rise.

When I showed him this build and the specs, he was happy with it, but he just wanted to make sure it would keepup with future games for at least 3 years (running high and ultra). I've already told him that video cards will eventually be outdated and may not be able to play every new game at ultra settings.He just wants to make sure that whatever money he's putting into this system will be worthwhile, emphasizing "wanting to make sure I don't regret spending all this money when I could have just bought a PS4/XBOX 720."I've explained to him that he cannot save money and future proof at the same time.

I can try to cut corners to lower cost (switching the I5 to an I3) OR completely switching to an AMD CPU and MOBO combo. Any suggestions or completely new rigs will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the feedback!

#2 Posted by 04dcarraher (19588 posts) -

Get a stronger gpu, and a better case. the next xbox could have upto a 7850 based gpu.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161404

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153

To save some money you could get this AMD cpu and motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131795

#3 Posted by _ButterS_ (29 posts) -
Hello 04carraher, thanks for replying. I was looking up benchmarks and performance issues with AMD chips and I wanted to know if there would be a bottleneck with these CPUs when paired with a 7850/7870 or 7950. A majority of high end gamers are suggesting starting builds around the I5 quadcore, but some people are arguing that the increase in FPS are only moderately higher, 5 or so FPS. Also, it looks like the I3 outperforms AMD chips in games. http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/page6.html I'm more partial towards an AMD rig myself to cut costs and put the extra budget money into a GPU, i'm just worried about a bottleneck for the above listed cards and a bottleneck for an upgrade card down the line.
#4 Posted by MaskedPlayer (979 posts) -

We know nothing about the next gen consoles.So I wouldnt bother trying to rival them the build you listed is good enough to play 95% of modern games on ultra.

#5 Posted by 5SI-GonePostal (355 posts) -

Rather than cut back on stuff like the CPU i would suggest over things 1st like:

3570K - change this to the none K version as you paired it with a B77 mobo that if im correct doesnt support overclocking, so that will be a few dollars.

Drop the card reader, another 15 dollars

Give him a standard DVD rewriter and that should be another 40 dollars right there

That there should be another what +$60 dollars to stick in the GPU

Only after can you still not fit the i5 into the budget would i consider changing the CPU

#6 Posted by 04dcarraher (19588 posts) -
[QUOTE="_ButterS_"]Hello 04carraher, thanks for replying. I was looking up benchmarks and performance issues with AMD chips and I wanted to know if there would be a bottleneck with these CPUs when paired with a 7850/7870 or 7950. A majority of high end gamers are suggesting starting builds around the I5 quadcore, but some people are arguing that the increase in FPS are only moderately higher, 5 or so FPS. Also, it looks like the I3 outperforms AMD chips in games. http://www.techspot.com/review/586-amd-fx-8350-fx-6300/page6.html I'm more partial towards an AMD rig myself to cut costs and put the extra budget money into a GPU, i'm just worried about a bottleneck for the above listed cards and a bottleneck for an upgrade card down the line.

There is no bottlenecking with the cpu's. Also when fully used AMD quads beat the i3's.
#7 Posted by jakes456 (1437 posts) -

card reader = useless.

wireless keyboard = :lol:

seagate hd = dead in 6 months.

#8 Posted by _ButterS_ (29 posts) -
Thinks for replying everyone. Based on speculation and rumors (which aren't ever reliable), the PS4 and Xbox720 are suppose to have an A8 core with a dGPU 7670 in a crossfire configuration. I'm assuming that these specs are less than spectacular and will run games around 30 FPS. These next gen systems won't be released until next yearish, so these specs can always change. 5SI-GonePostal, thanks for bringing up that spec on the MOBO, i'll try to look for another MOBO with OC capabilities for potential CPU OC later down the line. He also wants the bluray player and the card reader since he exchanges a lot of media between cameras. So that's something that needs to stay. He wants a lot from a small budget so i'm just trying my best to accommodate them. He's planning to use a PS3 controller as a gaming controller; therefore, the need for a gaming keyboard or mouse is not needed as of right now. He's just trying to get his feet wet entering PC gaming. So for videocard, would a 7950 be worth the money over an overclocked 7850? I just don't want to spend more money on something that he can't fully utilize.
#9 Posted by WiiRocks66 (3488 posts) -

Either get a different motherboard or get a non K series CPU.

#10 Posted by slipknot0129 (5491 posts) -

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

#11 Posted by MaskedPlayer (979 posts) -

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

slipknot0129
The next ps3 and xbox wont be that powerful.They will be more accesible and that means cheaper.
#12 Posted by Amster_G (4290 posts) -

Honestly, how can you rival with a something that nobody knows any details about... ?

#13 Posted by kraken2109 (13054 posts) -

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

slipknot0129
Next gen consoles £1000 at launch confirmed.
#14 Posted by ronvalencia (15112 posts) -

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

slipknot0129

Unlikely. There wouldn't be another unified shader design shift. AMD has already stated that the next gen consoles will be using semi-custom parts.

AMD GCN products already has the latest DirectX11.1 Level 11.1 hardware features.

Based on Xbox 360/PS3's GPU historical die size and TDP limits, you're looking at Radeon HD 7850 level GPU. Consoles has lower TDP limit than gaming PCs.

Here's Johan Andersson (EA DICE's Frostbite game engine) twittering about DX 11.1, https://twitter.com/repi/status/114017754201325569

Glad to see 2 of my early key requests for DX11.1 got in: large cbuffers with subranges & NO_OVERWRITE on SRVs, will be good CPU perf help

#15 Posted by dramaybaz (6020 posts) -
I would say you already have a build that rivals them.
#16 Posted by ronvalencia (15112 posts) -
I would say you already have a build that rivals them.dramaybaz
Due to console's middleware efficiencies, a gaming PC may need slightly higher GPU e.g. Radeon HD 7870.
#17 Posted by slipknot0129 (5491 posts) -

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

ronvalencia

Unlikely. There wouldn't be another unified shader design shift. AMD has already stated that the next gen consoles will be using semi-custom parts.

AMD GCN products already has the latest DirectX11.1 Level 11.1 hardware features.

Based on Xbox 360/PS3's GPU historical die size and TDP limits, you're looking at Radeon HD 7850 level GPU. Consoles has lower TDP limit than gaming PCs.

Here's Johan Andersson (EA DICE's Frostbite game engine) twittering about DX 11.1, https://twitter.com/repi/status/114017754201325569

Glad to see 2 of my early key requests for DX11.1 got in: large cbuffers with subranges & NO_OVERWRITE on SRVs, will be good CPU perf help

They are gonna use the next round of gpu's, so it will be much more power efficient. Were talking gtx 680 in a 95w envelope.

#18 Posted by 04dcarraher (19588 posts) -

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

slipknot0129

Unlikely. There wouldn't be another unified shader design shift. AMD has already stated that the next gen consoles will be using semi-custom parts.

AMD GCN products already has the latest DirectX11.1 Level 11.1 hardware features.

Based on Xbox 360/PS3's GPU historical die size and TDP limits, you're looking at Radeon HD 7850 level GPU. Consoles has lower TDP limit than gaming PCs.

Here's Johan Andersson (EA DICE's Frostbite game engine) twittering about DX 11.1, https://twitter.com/repi/status/114017754201325569

Glad to see 2 of my early key requests for DX11.1 got in: large cbuffers with subranges & NO_OVERWRITE on SRVs, will be good CPU perf help

They are gonna use the next round of gpu's, so it will be much more power efficient. Were talking gtx 680 in a 95w envelope.

nope its been pretty much confirmed the xbox is in production and is using southern islands based architecture. So your going to be very disappointed, because you have no real idea about the direction these consoles are going. Also your not going to get GTX 680 performance with only 95w tdp without shrinking the manufacturing process well below 20nm

#19 Posted by 5SI-GonePostal (355 posts) -

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

slipknot0129

Unlikely. There wouldn't be another unified shader design shift. AMD has already stated that the next gen consoles will be using semi-custom parts.

AMD GCN products already has the latest DirectX11.1 Level 11.1 hardware features.

Based on Xbox 360/PS3's GPU historical die size and TDP limits, you're looking at Radeon HD 7850 level GPU. Consoles has lower TDP limit than gaming PCs.

Here's Johan Andersson (EA DICE's Frostbite game engine) twittering about DX 11.1, https://twitter.com/repi/status/114017754201325569

Glad to see 2 of my early key requests for DX11.1 got in: large cbuffers with subranges & NO_OVERWRITE on SRVs, will be good CPU perf help

They are gonna use the next round of gpu's, so it will be much more power efficient. Were talking gtx 680 in a 95w envelope.

LMAO - no where near my friend - both these consoles will be sub 400quid, meaning it wont have a super power effcient 400 pound gpu in it. Added to this neither Sony (especially Sony) nor Microsoft can afford to pay for the consoles for the first 12 months of the life cycles like they did last time around. Im really sorry people think the next consoles will be amazing, compared to the ps2/xbox >> ps3/360 this one is gonna be pretty unspectacular. Both consoles will be more PS3/360 v2.0s than new ground breaking super consoles. Not a bad thing as the hardware needs updating.

Back on topic - why does he need a blueray player? As far as i am aware there is no software now or in the future that will require a blueray player and the cost of bluerays is much higher than nand tech so again there is no reason to choose blueray, it is just a cost especially when you are on a budget and more things are far more important.

Also the reason to dump the card reader is its much easier to plug in a usb cable than fiddle about with taking the cards out, i have a card reader and guess what i never use it, i also thought i would but its much quicker to plug in a usb cable, i do a lot of camera work and the mrs does the photoshop.

As far as gaming goes getting feet wet area would defently be more 7770 - 7870 rather than a 670/7950. Have a talk with him to find out what he wants to be doing as the difference is $300. Is this a gaming rig, or something for photo editing? Might be worth chasing him down and get him to be very specific in what he wants to be doing.

#20 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

slipknot0129

Where the hell do you get your information from? That's such an absurd statement. From the speculation that I've seen, almost any midrange gaming PC today has more horsepower than the new consoles will.

#21 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

slipknot0129

Unlikely. There wouldn't be another unified shader design shift. AMD has already stated that the next gen consoles will be using semi-custom parts.

AMD GCN products already has the latest DirectX11.1 Level 11.1 hardware features.

Based on Xbox 360/PS3's GPU historical die size and TDP limits, you're looking at Radeon HD 7850 level GPU. Consoles has lower TDP limit than gaming PCs.

Here's Johan Andersson (EA DICE's Frostbite game engine) twittering about DX 11.1, https://twitter.com/repi/status/114017754201325569

Glad to see 2 of my early key requests for DX11.1 got in: large cbuffers with subranges & NO_OVERWRITE on SRVs, will be good CPU perf help

They are gonna use the next round of gpu's, so it will be much more power efficient. Were talking gtx 680 in a 95w envelope.

If that were true, they would have to use something like 14nm tech and it would cost a few thousand dollars. You're WAY off your rocker.

#22 Posted by _ButterS_ (29 posts) -
Thanks for all the helpful replies everyone! The bluray drive will be in there because he has a small collection of bluray DVDs and his PS3 kicked the bucket. Also, he will be using his PC on a 42inch LCD TV screen. I want to make sure that the video card we get will scale to full 1080p without much stuttering and shameful frame rates. I talked to him and he pretty much wants to play an assortment of games. Primarily NBA 2k, Starcraft, and the occasional FPS (Modern Warfare). He'll also be doing school work on this computer which is only word processing and browsing. Again, his requests are to play on High to Ultra settings for a good 3 years. I highly doubt this will be achieved, but I just want to know what his best options are. I'll try to talk him down on the card reader. Also, if I changed to a FX6300 CPU and MOBO combo, I can potentially save $100. Is it worth it?
#23 Posted by ronvalencia (15112 posts) -

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

slipknot0129

Unlikely. There wouldn't be another unified shader design shift. AMD has already stated that the next gen consoles will be using semi-custom parts.

AMD GCN products already has the latest DirectX11.1 Level 11.1 hardware features.

Based on Xbox 360/PS3's GPU historical die size and TDP limits, you're looking at Radeon HD 7850 level GPU. Consoles has lower TDP limit than gaming PCs.

Here's Johan Andersson (EA DICE's Frostbite game engine) twittering about DX 11.1, https://twitter.com/repi/status/114017754201325569

Glad to see 2 of my early key requests for DX11.1 got in: large cbuffers with subranges & NO_OVERWRITE on SRVs, will be good CPU perf help

They are gonna use the next round of gpu's, so it will be much more power efficient. Were talking gtx 680 in a 95w envelope.

Unlikely, and you haven't factored in 256bit traces on PCB i.e. Xbox 1, Xbox 360 and PS3 uses 128bit VRAM traces on the PCB.
#24 Posted by 04dcarraher (19588 posts) -
[QUOTE="_ButterS_"] Also, if I changed to a FX6300 CPU and MOBO combo, I can potentially save $100. Is it worth it?

Its up to you, if $100 is worth saving however, an AMD cpu with a stronger gpu is better then a stronger intel cpu and a weaker gpu for gaming.
#25 Posted by Elann2008 (32988 posts) -

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

hartsickdiscipl

Where the hell do you get your information from? That's such an absurd statement. From the speculation that I've seen, almost any midrange gaming PC today has more horsepower than the new consoles will.

16 core cpu.. hehehe. Sounds like his roadmap is all over the place.. or he's an alien from the distant future.
#26 Posted by LordsLoss (2584 posts) -
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

Where the hell do you get your information from? That's such an absurd statement. From the speculation that I've seen, almost any midrange gaming PC today has more horsepower than the new consoles will.

I'm going to say sarcasm...
#27 Posted by Klunt_Bumskrint (3906 posts) -
[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

Elann2008

Where the hell do you get your information from? That's such an absurd statement. From the speculation that I've seen, almost any midrange gaming PC today has more horsepower than the new consoles will.

16 core cpu.. hehehe. Sounds like his roadmap is all over the place.. or he's an alien from the distant future.

I think he is an alien(ware). Thats it!!! TC needs to buy an Alienware, they kill everyting....MOAR POWER!!!!!!!!
#28 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

LordsLoss

Where the hell do you get your information from? That's such an absurd statement. From the speculation that I've seen, almost any midrange gaming PC today has more horsepower than the new consoles will.

I'm going to say sarcasm...

I'd like to agree with you, but I don't think he's joking.

#29 Posted by slipknot0129 (5491 posts) -

[QUOTE="LordsLoss"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

Where the hell do you get your information from? That's such an absurd statement. From the speculation that I've seen, almost any midrange gaming PC today has more horsepower than the new consoles will.

hartsickdiscipl

I'm going to say sarcasm...

I'd like to agree with you, but I don't think he's joking.

I laugh everytime some sucker buys a gtx 680 or 7970 and thinks he's beat the Xbox 720 in graphics.

#30 Posted by 04dcarraher (19588 posts) -

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="LordsLoss"] I'm going to say sarcasm...slipknot0129

I'd like to agree with you, but I don't think he's joking.

I laugh everytime some sucker buys a gtx 680 or 7970 and thinks he's beat the Xbox 720 in graphics.

:roll: southern islands based gpu in the console.... no 7970,no 7950, and no 7870. the best you will see is a 7850.
#31 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4128 posts) -

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="LordsLoss"] I'm going to say sarcasm...slipknot0129

I'd like to agree with you, but I don't think he's joking.

I laugh everytime some sucker buys a gtx 680 or 7970 and thinks he's beat the Xbox 720 in graphics.

I laugh everytime you make a post because I know you're trolling.
#32 Posted by slipknot0129 (5491 posts) -

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I'd like to agree with you, but I don't think he's joking.

Toxic-Seahorse

I laugh everytime some sucker buys a gtx 680 or 7970 and thinks he's beat the Xbox 720 in graphics.

I laugh everytime you make a post because I know you're trolling.

I laugh because I get to say "I told you so" in the future.

#33 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4128 posts) -

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]I laugh everytime some sucker buys a gtx 680 or 7970 and thinks he's beat the Xbox 720 in graphics.

slipknot0129

I laugh everytime you make a post because I know you're trolling.

I laugh because I get to say "I told you so" in the future.

:lol: Whatever you say pal.
#34 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]I laugh everytime some sucker buys a gtx 680 or 7970 and thinks he's beat the Xbox 720 in graphics.

slipknot0129

I laugh everytime you make a post because I know you're trolling.

I laugh because I get to say "I told you so" in the future.

Too bad nobody will listen to you. Anybody with an X51 in their sig isn't worth listening to. Their purchase alone all but proves their ignorance.

#35 Posted by slipknot0129 (5491 posts) -

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] I laugh everytime you make a post because I know you're trolling.hartsickdiscipl

I laugh because I get to say "I told you so" in the future.

Too bad nobody will listen to you. Anybody with an X51 in their sig isn't worth listening to. Their purchase alone all but proves their ignorance.

k

#36 Posted by darksusperia (6911 posts) -

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="slipknot0129"]I laugh everytime some sucker buys a gtx 680 or 7970 and thinks he's beat the Xbox 720 in graphics.

slipknot0129

I laugh everytime you make a post because I know you're trolling.

I laugh because I get to say "I told you so" in the future.

no you dont, you dont get to say anything other then you were wrong. PS4s APU was described today as a derivative of existing A10 hardware. The hardware is based on A10 system and base platform. http://www.vg247.com/2012/11/01/ps4_details_playstation_4/ http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2012/12/05/ps4-specs-blowout-gpgpu-directx11-sony-london-set-the-bar-industry-global-illumination-instant-radiosity-more/ and if you believe the leaked docs from earlier, the xbox 720 will be running 2 quad Xeons running at 1.6GHz double threaded. yet others state that both consoles will be using thebes. (or modified versions of). As for your "opinion" on the next series of cards that will supposedly be in there (8xxx).. your well wrong, again. http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-HD-8990-Rumored-2013-Launch
#37 Posted by godzillavskong (7899 posts) -
[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

You'll need something like a gtx 890 plus a 16 core cpu. Aint no current computer that can compete with ps4 and the 720 in power.

kraken2109
Next gen consoles £1000 at launch confirmed.

That would suck, but we know how expensive consoles last in the market .. "cough" 3DO...
#38 Posted by ronvalencia (15112 posts) -

[QUOTE="slipknot0129"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] I laugh everytime you make a post because I know you're trolling.darksusperia

I laugh because I get to say "I told you so" in the future.

no you dont, you dont get to say anything other then you were wrong. PS4s APU was described today as a derivative of existing A10 hardware. The hardware is based on A10 system and base platform. http://www.vg247.com/2012/11/01/ps4_details_playstation_4/ http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2012/12/05/ps4-specs-blowout-gpgpu-directx11-sony-london-set-the-bar-industry-global-illumination-instant-radiosity-more/ and if you believe the leaked docs from earlier, the xbox 720 will be running 2 quad Xeons running at 1.6GHz double threaded. yet others state that both consoles will be using thebes. (or modified versions of). As for your "opinion" on the next series of cards that will supposedly be in there (8xxx).. your well wrong, again. http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-HD-8990-Rumored-2013-Launch

http://www.psx-sense.nl/89207/exclusief-talloze-informatie-over-de-playstation-4-inclusief-specificaties/

Semi-custom AMD APU has Radeon HD 7850 level GPU i.e. 16 CUs. 16 CUs doubles AMD Kaveri's 8 CUs (Radeon HD 7750) config.

AMD Trinity APU has 6 CUs based on AMD Cayman. Both Cayman and GCN has 64 stream processors per CU.

"Real-time Global Illumination" is one of AMD GCN's tech demo features.