Would you rather have a Communist (Extreme Left Wing) or Fascist (Extreme Right Wing) Leader?

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Poll Would you rather have a Communist (Extreme Left Wing) or Fascist (Extreme Right Wing) Leader? (25 votes)

I'd rather have a Communist Leader (Extreme Left) - Example [Hugo Chavez or Putin] 72%
I'd rather have a Fascist Leader (Extreme Right) - Example [Hitler or Mussolini] 24%

let's see what people will choose

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#51 Flubbbs
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communism is responsible for 100+ million deaths in the 20th century

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#52 Master_Live
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@foxhound_fox said:

A true communist leader would be better than any fascist government. It's too bad we haven't ever seen a true communist government before. Only fascist ones masquerading as communist.

One day comrade, one day.

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#53 thebest31406
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What is so "left" about Putin, exactly?

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#54  Edited By chaoscougar1
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They all wind up being dictators in the end
Doubt there would be much of a discernible difference

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#55  Edited By RushKing
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@airshocker said:

Neither.

I thought you care about the guy with more guns.

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#56 RushKing
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@foxhound_fox said:

A true communist leader would be better than any fascist government. It's too bad we haven't ever seen a true communist government before. Only fascist ones masquerading as communist.

Buenaventura Durruti and Nestor Makhno; true communist leaders.

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#57  Edited By chaplainDMK
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@Master_Live said:

@chaplainDMK said:

Read up on communism, no single state in the history of mankind managed to achieve what Marx or Lenin defined as communism.

Just because some totalitarian psycho is saying his country is communist doesn't mean it is. So I'd rather have a country by a guy that actually believes that everyone should be treated equal and all the left wing jazz instead of some nutjob that thinks you are inferior for some reason and can abuse the living **** out of you because he is higher on the hierarchy than you.

Of course, it just so happen that a high % of the guys claiming to have achieve a communist state turns out to be totalitarian psychos. For communists the true communist state is always just around the corner.

We are talking hypothetically here. Utter right wing is also un-achievable because you are going to be in a pretty much constant state of war and hate.

I mean communism is utopia, everyone has all their needs fulfilled, everyone works only because he wants to help his fellow people not to achieve financial gain, everyone is equal, war and hate disappears etc. It's un-achievable in any normal time span, at best you could have god knows how many centuries of people being instilled with values like that, and even that there are a bunch of other problems that need to be solved.

But it's very easy to get people behind the idea, so it's abused by power hungry tyrants that claim they will create a communist state, but only make some pseudo-socialist fascist totalitarian hell-hole. The only two powerful leaders I'd say that have at any point REALLY wished for a pure communist state to be created were Lenin and Che Guevara, and even they descended into borderline psychotic states of paranoia in the end, and were just overtaken people that had very little belief (or a very perverted one) in Communism.

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#58  Edited By RushKing
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@lostrib said:

@foxhound_fox said:

A true communist leader would be better than any fascist government. It's too bad we haven't ever seen a true communist government before. Only fascist ones masquerading as communist.

Wouldn't true communism eventually dictate that there is no leader?

It would mean no rulers, and leadership would be spread out. Militias would form if there is a need for defense from reactionary forces and the commanders would be rotational.

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#59 lostrib
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@RushKing said:

@lostrib said:

@foxhound_fox said:

A true communist leader would be better than any fascist government. It's too bad we haven't ever seen a true communist government before. Only fascist ones masquerading as communist.

Wouldn't true communism eventually dictate that there is no leader?

It would mean no rulers, and leadership would be more spread out. Militias would form if there is a need for defense from reactionary forces and the commanders would be rotational.

yeah, and it's pretty much why communism will never work at a large country level

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#60 whipassmt
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Neither one. From what I understand though Communist governments have killed more people, but I think they've been in power longer and controlled more areas. For instance, I think more people were killed under Stalin than under Hitler, but Stalin was in power quite a bit longer.

Maybe this would be a good question to ask a Pole, since they lived under both types of regimes.

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#61 RushKing
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@lostrib said:

@RushKing said:

It would mean no rulers, and leadership would be more spread out. Militias would form if there is a need for defense from reactionary forces and the commanders would be rotational.

yeah, and it's pretty much why communism will never work at a large country level

Communes can have a country scale confederations.

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@RushKing said:
@airshocker said:

Neither.

I thought you care about the guy with more guns.

I care about freedom.

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#63 deeliman
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People, the op didn't list "neither" as a choice.

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#64 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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@deeliman said:

People, the op didn't list "neither" as a choice.

Too bad!

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#65  Edited By deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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@airshocker said:

@RushKing said:
@airshocker said:

Neither.

I thought you care about the guy with more guns.

I care about freedom.

So why do you live in the US

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#66 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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@Aljosa23 said:

@airshocker said:

@RushKing said:
@airshocker said:

Neither.

I thought you care about the guy with more guns.

I care about freedom.

So why do you live in the US

Because I was born here? I may not have any great love for my state but that doesn't mean I'm going to up and move.

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#67 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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@airshocker said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@airshocker said:

@RushKing said:
@airshocker said:

Neither.

I thought you care about the guy with more guns.

I care about freedom.

So why do you live in the US

Because I was born here? I may not have any great love for my state but that doesn't mean I'm going to up and move.

That's dumb. Why stay somewhere that you don't enjoy? smh

Come to Canada

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@Aljosa23 said:

@airshocker said:

@Aljosa23 said:

@airshocker said:

@RushKing said:
@airshocker said:

Neither.

I thought you care about the guy with more guns.

I care about freedom.

So why do you live in the US

Because I was born here? I may not have any great love for my state but that doesn't mean I'm going to up and move.

That's dumb. Why stay somewhere that you don't enjoy? smh

Come to Canada

Well I do want to change states. I'd like to go back to North Dakota. I might even go without a lateral transfer, if things get much worse in this state.

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#70 Master_Live
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@thegerg said:

New question: Would you rather have a capitalist leader or a fascist leader?

Capitalist!

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@Master_Live said:

@thegerg said:

New question: Would you rather have a capitalist leader or a fascist leader?

Capitalist!

^