Why is Iran so stubborn?

At first I was against a war with Iran but my opinion is rapidly changing....jointed

[QUOTE="jointed"]At first I was against a war with Iran but my opinion is rapidly changing....-Karayan-

they're just flexing their muscles to their own people.......The US and British should carpet bomb the whole palce........

damn I never thought I were ever going to say such a thing.......well I'm just pissed on how god damned difficult the middle eastern countries always has to be.......god damned crap

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="jointed"]At first I was against a war with Iran but my opinion is rapidly changing....jointed

they're just flexing their muscles to their own people.......The US and British should carpet bomb the whole palce........

damn I never thought I were ever going to say such a thing.......well I'm just pissed on how god damned difficult the middle eastern countries always has to be.......god damned crap

[QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="jointed"]At first I was against a war with Iran but my opinion is rapidly changing....-Karayan-

they're just flexing their muscles to their own people.......The US and British should carpet bomb the whole palce........

damn I never thought I were ever going to say such a thing.......well I'm just pissed on how god damned difficult the middle eastern countries always has to be.......god damned crap

how about occupying the middle east...take their oil.....leave....and then we'll leave them alone forever?

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="jointed"]At first I was against a war with Iran but my opinion is rapidly changing....jointed

they're just flexing their muscles to their own people.......The US and British should carpet bomb the whole palce........

damn I never thought I were ever going to say such a thing.......well I'm just pissed on how god damned difficult the middle eastern countries always has to be.......god damned crap

how about occupying the middle east...take their oil.....leave....and then we'll leave them alone forever?

erm...if a soldier is entering any place illegally why shouldn't they arrest them?MrDude101

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="jointed"]At first I was against a war with Iran but my opinion is rapidly changing....jointed

they're just flexing their muscles to their own people.......The US and British should carpet bomb the whole palce........

damn I never thought I were ever going to say such a thing.......well I'm just pissed on how god damned difficult the middle eastern countries always has to be.......god damned crap

Agreed. They're always pissed off for some reason...

...Iran needs to just relax and maitain some peace rather than taking this over the top and refusing mistakes.ncderek

Seriously though, too often we lump countries together as if everyone living there agrees with the decisions of their leaders. That is like saying everyone in the US agrees with its leaders. Just because President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is off his rocker does not mean the rest of the Iranian people agree with him. Many Iranians are highly progressive and want to work together socially and economically in peace with the rest of the world. Holding them back is a corrupt political system bogged down by the weight of an ultra-conservative church system that is highly interwoven in their government.

The allies made a mistake several weeks ago by antagonizing the Iranian government, and the Iranian government has escalated the situation by capturing British troops. US and British troops are already stretched thin between Iraq, Afghanistan and other worldwide defense liabilities. Sending more carriers is not going to help matters. I'm out of ideas on what might be done.

I agree with ncderek on one thing: everyone needs to relax.

[QUOTE="ncderek"]...Iran needs to just relax and maitain some peace rather than taking this over the top and refusing mistakes.Bozanimal

Seriously though, too often we lump countries together as if everyone living there agrees with the decisions of their leaders. That is like saying everyone in the US agrees with its leaders. Just because President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is off his rocker does not mean the rest of the Iranian people agree with him. Many Iranians are highly progressive and want to work together socially and economically in peace with the rest of the world. Holding them back is a corrupt political system bogged down by the weight of an ultra-conservative church system that is highly interwoven in their government.

The allies made a mistake several weeks ago by antagonizing the Iranian government, and the Iranian government has escalated the situation by capturing British troops. US and British troops are already stretched thin between Iraq, Afghanistan and other worldwide defense liabilities. Sending more carriers is not going to help matters. I'm out of ideas on what might be done.

I agree with ncderek on one thing: everyone needs to relax.

Ive seen enough Iranians parading down the streets with a burning American flag to know its not just their leader

erm...if a soldier is entering any place illegally why shouldn't they arrest them?MrDude101

[QUOTE="MrDude101"]erm...if a soldier is entering any place illegally why shouldn't they arrest them?ROLFCHANK

Stupid Iran 

gah... Iran will do something like this, and then whine/complain to their middle-eastern neighbors....

They're trying to provoke the UN to do something, and make them look bad.

The Iranian President is a douchebag.......

i dont think irans gunna be around too much longer...Def_Jef88

assumption lead to mistakes.

You think Iran is like Iraq? you think just cos america did what it did to iraq that it could do the same in iran? get a life boy.

why are they publicly humiliating the British troops? by making them appologize on tv blindfolded and such and refusing to release them. Shouldnt the rest of the world hate them now? It's not like every time an illegal immigrant comes to America, we put them on television making them appologize for all to see, otherwise we'd have a full broadcast, we get thousands of illegal citizens entering our waters and land every day. Other countries get that too, even Britain. I think Iran needs to just relax and maitain some peace rather than taking this over the top and refusing mistakes.ncderek

I don't want to sound patronising, but international politics is usually very complicated.  To assume that everybody shares the same view of something (even something you may consider an obvious fact) is inadvisable.  We could equally well be having a similar discussion in Iran about the American detention of 'diplomats' in Iraq or Guantanamo Bay.

This kind of thing happened (on both sides) during the cold war and will continue to happen in highly militarised and politically sensitive areas throughout the world.

That said I think that (if the official UK version is true) this was a generally unwise move by Iran, and (with the exception of the enormous emotional toll it must have on the captives) will all blow over in time if handled correctly.

At first I was against a war with Iran but my opinion is rapidly changing....jointed

They're trying to push our buttons and make the west commit to an aggressive military action.  And then claim we're trying to take over the Middle East and destroy Islam".  People will buy into that which will further dimish our leverage in disabling their nuclear program.  Think about it.  What's the best way for the Iranians to accomplish their nuclear goals unfettered?  (you conspiracy theorists should already know the answer)  You cause an international incident.  And use it as an excuse to do bad things.

I'm praying we don't take the bait. 

They're trying to push our buttons and make the west commit to an aggressive military action.  And then claim we're trying to take over the Middle East and destroy Islam".  People will buy into that which will further dimish our leverage in disabling their nuclear program.  Think about it.  What's the best way for the Iranians to accomplish their nuclear goals unfettered?  (you conspiracy theorists should already know the answer)  You cause an international incident.  And use it as an excuse to do bad things.

I'm praying we don't take the bait. 

greeneye59

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="jointed"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="jointed"]At first I was against a war with Iran but my opinion is rapidly changing....jointed

they're just flexing their muscles to their own people.......The US and British should carpet bomb the whole palce........

damn I never thought I were ever going to say such a thing.......well I'm just pissed on how god damned difficult the middle eastern countries always has to be.......god damned crap

how about occupying the middle east...take their oil.....leave....and then we'll leave them alone forever?

[QUOTE="Bozanimal"]

[QUOTE="ncderek"]...Iran needs to just relax and maitain some peace rather than taking this over the top and refusing mistakes.NWA_31

Seriously though, too often we lump countries together as if everyone living there agrees with the decisions of their leaders. That is like saying everyone in the US agrees with its leaders. Just because President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is off his rocker does not mean the rest of the Iranian people agree with him. Many Iranians are highly progressive and want to work together socially and economically in peace with the rest of the world. Holding them back is a corrupt political system bogged down by the weight of an ultra-conservative church system that is highly interwoven in their government.

The allies made a mistake several weeks ago by antagonizing the Iranian government, and the Iranian government has escalated the situation by capturing British troops. US and British troops are already stretched thin between Iraq, Afghanistan and other worldwide defense liabilities. Sending more carriers is not going to help matters. I'm out of ideas on what might be done.

I agree with ncderek on one thing: everyone needs to relax.

Ive seen enough Iranians parading down the streets with a burning American flag to know its not just their leader

[QUOTE="NWA_31"][QUOTE="Bozanimal"]

[QUOTE="ncderek"]...Iran needs to just relax and maitain some peace rather than taking this over the top and refusing mistakes.Bozanimal

Seriously though, too often we lump countries together as if everyone living there agrees with the decisions of their leaders. That is like saying everyone in the US agrees with its leaders. Just because President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is off his rocker does not mean the rest of the Iranian people agree with him. Many Iranians are highly progressive and want to work together socially and economically in peace with the rest of the world. Holding them back is a corrupt political system bogged down by the weight of an ultra-conservative church system that is highly interwoven in their government.

The allies made a mistake several weeks ago by antagonizing the Iranian government, and the Iranian government has escalated the situation by capturing British troops. US and British troops are already stretched thin between Iraq, Afghanistan and other worldwide defense liabilities. Sending more carriers is not going to help matters. I'm out of ideas on what might be done.

I agree with ncderek on one thing: everyone needs to relax.

Ive seen enough Iranians parading down the streets with a burning American flag to know its not just their leader

Who knows, but if Iran do something stupid like lock them up or kill them the UK will give them a royal beat down. We should just send the SAS in and get them back, no one can touch the damn SAS, Chuck Norris cant even get into the SAS.V4LENT1NE

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]Who knows, but if Iran do something stupid like lock them up or kill them the UK will give them a royal beat down. We should just send the SAS in and get them back, no one can touch the damn SAS, Chuck Norris cant even get into the SAS.TheCrazed420

Who the hell are they? lol 

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]Who knows, but if Iran do something stupid like lock them up or kill them the UK will give them a royal beat down. We should just send the SAS in and get them back, no one can touch the damn SAS, Chuck Norris cant even get into the SAS.V4LENT1NE

Who the hell are they? lol 

Who knows, but if Iran do something stupid like lock them up or kill them the UK will give them a royal beat down. We should just send the SAS in and get them back, no one can touch the damn SAS, Chuck Norris cant even get into the SAS.V4LENT1NE

It doesn't matter what they do any more,they have no morals and the world already hates them.

I think both America and Britain should stop interfering with their war and just let them all kill each other,there hates goes back 100's of years there's no stopping them imo

why are they publicly humiliating the British troops? by making them appologize on tv blindfolded and such and refusing to release them.  Shouldnt the rest of the world hate them now? It's not like every time an illegal immigrant comes to America, we put them on television making them appologize for all to see, otherwise we'd have a full broadcast, we get thousands of illegal citizens entering our waters and land every day. Other countries get that too, even Britain. I think Iran needs to just relax and maitain some peace rather than taking this over the top and refusing mistakes.ncderek

Iran's Mullahs took the British sailors since they think that the Europeans are the weak link.

http://www.ncr-iran.org/

It doesn't matter what they do any more,they have no morals and the world already hates them.

I think both America and Britain should stop interfering with their what and just let them all kill each other,there hates goes back 100's of years there's no stopping them imo 

blacktorn

[QUOTE="ncderek"]why are they publicly humiliating the British troops? by making them appologize on tv blindfolded and such and refusing to release them.  Shouldnt the rest of the world hate them now? It's not like every time an illegal immigrant comes to America, we put them on television making them appologize for all to see, otherwise we'd have a full broadcast, we get thousands of illegal citizens entering our waters and land every day. Other countries get that too, even Britain. I think Iran needs to just relax and maitain some peace rather than taking this over the top and refusing mistakes.Mr_Manikin52

Iran's Mullahs took the British sailors since they think that the Europeans are the weak link.

http://www.ncr-iran.org/

[QUOTE="Mr_Manikin52"]

[QUOTE="ncderek"]why are they publicly humiliating the British troops? by making them appologize on tv blindfolded and such and refusing to release them.  Shouldnt the rest of the world hate them now? It's not like every time an illegal immigrant comes to America, we put them on television making them appologize for all to see, otherwise we'd have a full broadcast, we get thousands of illegal citizens entering our waters and land every day. Other countries get that too, even Britain. I think Iran needs to just relax and maitain some peace rather than taking this over the top and refusing mistakes.TheCrazed420

Iran's Mullahs took the British sailors since they think that the Europeans are the weak link.

http://www.ncr-iran.org/

Yes I do! Maybe you should ask my neighbor who left Iran during the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

They are our best hope for a free Iran!

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Mr_Manikin52"]

[QUOTE="ncderek"]why are they publicly humiliating the British troops? by making them appologize on tv blindfolded and such and refusing to release them.  Shouldnt the rest of the world hate them now? It's not like every time an illegal immigrant comes to America, we put them on television making them appologize for all to see, otherwise we'd have a full broadcast, we get thousands of illegal citizens entering our waters and land every day. Other countries get that too, even Britain. I think Iran needs to just relax and maitain some peace rather than taking this over the top and refusing mistakes.Mr_Manikin52

Iran's Mullahs took the British sailors since they think that the Europeans are the weak link.

http://www.ncr-iran.org/

Yes I do! Maybe you should ask my neighbor who left Iran during the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

They are our best hope for a free Iran!

[QUOTE="Mr_Manikin52"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Mr_Manikin52"]

[QUOTE="ncderek"]why are they publicly humiliating the British troops? by making them appologize on tv blindfolded and such and refusing to release them.  Shouldnt the rest of the world hate them now? It's not like every time an illegal immigrant comes to America, we put them on television making them appologize for all to see, otherwise we'd have a full broadcast, we get thousands of illegal citizens entering our waters and land every day. Other countries get that too, even Britain. I think Iran needs to just relax and maitain some peace rather than taking this over the top and refusing mistakes.TheCrazed420

Iran's Mullahs took the British sailors since they think that the Europeans are the weak link.

http://www.ncr-iran.org/

Yes I do! Maybe you should ask my neighbor who left Iran during the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

They are our best hope for a free Iran!

Yes.

At first I was against a war with Iran but my opinion is rapidly changing....jointed