Why do so many people hate capitalism?

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

There's nothing wrong with capitalism. There's just something wrong with absolutely no government involvement. Markets are doing a very poor job regulating themselves. The government des sometimesneed to step in to make sure that people aren't being totally gouged.

Companies, left unchecked, can enslave us just as much as the government can.

LOXO7

Taxes are chains. McDonalds wouldn't make any profit if they paid their workers 10 cents an hour and still kept their dollar menu. Henry Ford started paying his employees $5 and hour so they could afford his cars he built (or government). Their would be no downside to removing the minimum wage regulation and reducing the taxes, drastically.

He started paying his workers 5$ an hour because he had a huge turnover rate due to low pay and dangerous conditions. Encouraging them to buy a Ford was just a bonus

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Can I please get you republican ass to reality? I don't mean to be offensive, don't take it this way.BuryMe

What don't you understand? They deregulated the financial market and forced banks to give loans to people who could never afford to pay them back. We're not in this mess because of capitalism, we're in it because of government.

How does deregulation force the banks to do something?

I think he meant that govt' regulations lowed the standard of who can be given a loan while at the same time, government forced banks to give loans even if they can't pay back.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

There's nothing wrong with capitalism. There's just something wrong with absolutely no government involvement. Markets are doing a very poor job regulating themselves. The government des sometimesneed to step in to make sure that people aren't being totally gouged.

Companies, left unchecked, can enslave us just as much as the government can.

Bane_09

Taxes are chains. McDonalds wouldn't make any profit if they paid their workers 10 cents an hour and still kept their dollar menu. Henry Ford started paying his employees $5 and hour so they could afford his cars he built (or government). Their would be no downside to removing the minimum wage regulation and reducing the taxes, drastically.

He started paying his workers 5$ an hour because he had a huge turnover rate due to low pay and dangerous conditions. Encouraging them to buy a Ford was just a bonus

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

What don't you understand? They deregulated the financial market and forced banks to give loans to people who could never afford to pay them back. We're not in this mess because of capitalism, we're in it because of government.

leviathan91

How does deregulation force the banks to do something?

I think he meant that govt' regulations lowed the standard of who can be given a loan while at the same time, government forced banks to give loans even if they can't pay back.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

There's nothing wrong with capitalism. There's just something wrong with absolutely no government involvement. Markets are doing a very poor job regulating themselves. The government des sometimesneed to step in to make sure that people aren't being totally gouged.

Companies, left unchecked, can enslave us just as much as the government can.

LOXO7

Taxes are chains. McDonalds wouldn't make any profit if they paid their workers 10 cents an hour and still kept their dollar menu. Henry Ford started paying his employees $5 and hour so they could afford his cars he built (or government). Their would be no downside to removing the minimum wage regulation and reducing the taxes, drastically.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

There's nothing wrong with capitalism. There's just something wrong with absolutely no government involvement. Markets are doing a very poor job regulating themselves. The government des sometimesneed to step in to make sure that people aren't being totally gouged.

Companies, left unchecked, can enslave us just as much as the government can.

Abbeten

Taxes are chains. McDonalds wouldn't make any profit if they paid their workers 10 cents an hour and still kept their dollar menu. Henry Ford started paying his employees $5 and hour so they could afford his cars he built (or government). Their would be no downside to removing the minimum wage regulation and reducing the taxes, drastically.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Omni-Wrath"]

Nothing as long as there is some regulation. The owners are indifferent to the workers and don't mind taking advantage of them, which is why we have minimum wage and employment benefits.

If a nation is going to claim to be moral, then you can't run society as dog eat dog. If you can't even provide HEALTH to your people, can you consider that to be a moral nation. A nation that lets insurance companies decide weather you live or die, a nation that allows your employers to screw you over, a nation that allows class warfare to be inevitable-that can be the very outcome from full blow capitalism.

BuryMe

If companies could get away with it, they would. They don't pay us more out of the goodness of their hearts. That hurts their bottom line. That's why we need to degree of regulation.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] Pfft. What do you call the governments bailout of the auto industries? That looks like government enslavement. I don't know how they got persuaded by those corporate lobbyists, oh wait, yes I do. The politicians got theirs. Didn't they? They couldn't have been turned by that line, "Too big to fail."

Taxes are chains. McDonalds wouldn't make any profit if they paid their workers 10 cents an hour and still kept their dollar menu. Henry Ford started paying his employees $5 and hour so they could afford his cars he built (or government). Their would be no downside to removing the minimum wage regulation and reducing the taxes, drastically.

LOXO7

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Why does anyone deserve a minimum wage? Why does one man deserve $7.25/hour to do a job when there are countless other people who are willing to do the same job for less? If someone is offering work for horribly low pay and no benefits, aren't we all free to simply decline the job offer?Laihendi

If companies could get away with it, they would. They don't pay us more out of the goodness of their hearts. That hurts their bottom line. That's why we need to degree of regulation.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]What happens if thats our only option? You'd essentially be forced to work for that horribly low wage or starve.

If companies could get away with it, they would. They don't pay us more out of the goodness of their hearts. That hurts their bottom line. That's why we need to degree of regulation.

thebest31406

burden is on you. sorry brohammed.

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Why does anyone deserve a minimum wage? Why does one man deserve $7.25/hour to do a job when there are countless other people who are willing to do the same job for less? If someone is offering work for horribly low pay and no benefits, aren't we all free to simply decline the job offer?Laihendi

If companies could get away with it, they would. They don't pay us more out of the goodness of their hearts. That hurts their bottom line. That's why we need to degree of regulation.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]What happens if thats our only option? You'd essentially be forced to work for that horribly low wage or starve.

If companies could get away with it, they would. They don't pay us more out of the goodness of their hearts. That hurts their bottom line. That's why we need to degree of regulation.

Abbeten

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] You still didn't explain why someone deserves a minimum wage.Neoklondiak

burden is on you. sorry brohammed.

[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

[QUOTE="thebest31406"] Explain why a person doesn't.thebest31406

burden is on you. sorry brohammed.

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

burden is on you. sorry brohammed.

Laihendi

[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

burden is on you. sorry brohammed.

Laihendi

Nothing is a god damn right. Rights are made up by us and we dictate what they are. Rights are an arbitrary set of rules we made for moral purposes. And we can deem minimum wage as a 'right' just as we have deemed 'freedom' or 'equality' a right.

Because so many aren't capable of making it themselves.

Thank god for nepotism otherwise I'd be a commie too.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] Yeah what you're advocating is deflation which has historically been disastrous.Abbeten

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="LOXO7"] There is no other way out of this mess. Either depression or serfdom. One way we can work our way out of. There is no way the government can continue pushing money into the economy infinitely. First of all the government has no money. It either has the Fed make more or makes more tax. The best thing the government can do is reduce to national defense size spending and let the country go into depression to fix itself right. It's better than becoming slaves to the world bankers.LOXO7

You realize that even the most conservative economists agree that a low and stable amount of inflation is beneficial for an economy, right?Abbeten

Because they want something they didn't earn. But if they ever get rich suddenly they don't want to give up what they earned.

Because unchecked capitalism can lead to unfair distribution of power through wealth, monopolies, resource exploitation, repression of unions, no concern for the environment, and lots of other issues.

Even so, I think capitalism (with regulations) is the best economic system for large countries.

XaosII

Many Americans, who consider themselves "liberal" or "progressive," say they hate capitalism because they think America has capitalism.

What they don't realize, however, is that we in the US have Crony Capitalism, an imposter that is ruined by greedy government politicians using regulations and bailouts to favor certain businesses, who in turn line the politicians' pockets with fat cash.

True capitalism is what the liberals want, but they don't realize it. True capitalism means no politicians get money from businesses, because politicians have nothing to offer them. When politicians can't influence business, business won't influence government.

But alas, the ignorant masses will continue to live in their stupidity, and think that more regulations will somehow fix the problems brought about by regulations.

Because they want something they didn't earn. But if they ever get rich suddenly they don't want to give up what they earned.

Philokalia

He was a huge socialist.

Jesus would approve.

He was a huge socialist.

TopTierHustler

Either you know nothing about Jesus, or you know nothing about socialism.

Or both.

Jesus would approve.

He was a huge socialist.

TopTierHustler

I don't recall Jesus ever petitioning Ceaser to make him increase taxes on the wealthy. But what I do recall him teaching is that people should willingly and volunterily give up their possessions and help people. Not compel people out of they made. But this who Jesus is a Socialist thing. Really? Anacrhonistically applying things like that on to figures of ancient history? Is that responsible? Perhaps we should say that Constantine was awesome at keeping church out of state.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

Jesus would approve.

He was a huge socialist.

Neoklondiak

Either you know nothing about Jesus, or you know nothing about socialism.

Or both.

My favorites are the ones that say a camel has a better chance of fitting trough the eye of a needle than a rich person has a chance of getting into heaven and the one where Jesus says the ideal person gives all his posetions to the poor.

There's always republican Jesus....

[QUOTE="Abbeten"] You realize that even the most conservative economists agree that a low and stable amount of inflation is beneficial for an economy, right?LOXO7

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

Jesus would approve.

He was a huge socialist.

Philokalia

I don't recall Jesus ever petitioning Ceaser to make him increase taxes on the wealthy. But what I do recall him teaching is that people should willingly and volunterily give up their possessions and help people. Not compel people out of they made. But this who Jesus is a Socialist thing. Really? Anacrhonistically applying things like that on to figures of ancient history? Is that responsible? Perhaps we should say that Constantine was awesome at keeping church out of state.

Jesus constantly advocated giving to the poor and hating on the rich.

Christianity 101. Looks like you've been picking and choosing what you're believing.

lulz

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

Jesus would approve.

He was a huge socialist.

Philokalia

I don't recall Jesus ever petitioning Ceaser to make him increase taxes on the wealthy. But what I do recall him teaching is that people should willingly and volunterily give up their possessions and help people. Not compel people out of they made. But this who Jesus is a Socialist thing. Really? Anacrhonistically applying things like that on to figures of ancient history? Is that responsible? Perhaps we should say that Constantine was awesome at keeping church out of state.

Many Americans, who consider themselves "liberal" or "progressive," say they hate capitalism because they think America has capitalism.

What they don't realize, however, is that we in the US have Crony Capitalism, an imposter that is ruined by greedy government politicians using regulations and bailouts to favor certain businesses, who in turn line the politicians' pockets with fat cash.

True capitalism is what the liberals want, but they don't realize it. True capitalism means no politicians get money from businesses, because politicians have nothing to offer them. When politicians can't influence business, business won't influence government.

But alas, the ignorant masses will continue to live in their stupidity, and think that more regulations will somehow fix the problems brought about by regulations.

FoxeoGames

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

Jesus would approve.

He was a huge socialist.

kuraimen

I don't recall Jesus ever petitioning Ceaser to make him increase taxes on the wealthy. But what I do recall him teaching is that people should willingly and volunterily give up their possessions and help people. Not compel people out of they made. But this who Jesus is a Socialist thing. Really? Anacrhonistically applying things like that on to figures of ancient history? Is that responsible? Perhaps we should say that Constantine was awesome at keeping church out of state.

Personally I would have thought that Jesus would want people to help the poor because they want to and because it's the right thing to do, not have the goverment forcibly take and redistribute against everyone's will.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

Jesus would approve.

He was a huge socialist.

kuraimen

I don't recall Jesus ever petitioning Ceaser to make him increase taxes on the wealthy. But what I do recall him teaching is that people should willingly and volunterily give up their possessions and help people. Not compel people out of they made. But this who Jesus is a Socialist thing. Really? Anacrhonistically applying things like that on to figures of ancient history? Is that responsible? Perhaps we should say that Constantine was awesome at keeping church out of state.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Philokalia"]

I don't recall Jesus ever petitioning Ceaser to make him increase taxes on the wealthy. But what I do recall him teaching is that people should willingly and volunterily give up their possessions and help people. Not compel people out of they made. But this who Jesus is a Socialist thing. Really? Anacrhonistically applying things like that on to figures of ancient history? Is that responsible? Perhaps we should say that Constantine was awesome at keeping church out of state.

Neoklondiak

Personally I would have thought that Jesus would want people to help the poor because they want to and because it's the right thing to do, not have the goverment forcibly take and redistribute against everyone's will.

[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] He also said that a camel will have a better chance to go throw the eye of a needle than a rich person go to Heaven, the people you so highly defend. So he was in fact giving his opinion about people that accumulate lots of wealth against those who don't. Jesus way of life was closest to an egalitarian society than a non-egalitarian one. I guess he understood we are social beings and as highly cooperative social beings differences create disturbances.BossPerson

Personally I would have thought that Jesus would want people to help the poor because they want to and because it's the right thing to do, not have the goverment forcibly take and redistribute against everyone's will.

"My Kingdom is not of this World" - Jesus Christ.

Gotta love people who follow republican Jesus lol.

Jesus constantly advocated giving to the poor and hating on the rich.

Christianity 101. Looks like you've been picking and choosing what you're believing.

lulz

TopTierHustler

I follow the God Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was not a republican, he is his own king, and in his kingdom material goods or wellbeing do not matter.

Jesus did not hate rich, only warned them of the consequences of dedicatings ones life to the service and accumulation of wealth.

As for Christianity 101. An internet socialist is telling me that I pick and choose in Christianity. It should be known that there were wealthy members in the church from the very begining. The most notable example I would suggest would be Joseph of Aritmathea who was rich enough to afford a tomb and gave his tomb to Christ. Then there is also the person of Philomon, rich enough to own slaves, but never condemned for his wealth.

So please learn Christianity.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Philokalia"]

I don't recall Jesus ever petitioning Ceaser to make him increase taxes on the wealthy. But what I do recall him teaching is that people should willingly and volunterily give up their possessions and help people. Not compel people out of they made. But this who Jesus is a Socialist thing. Really? Anacrhonistically applying things like that on to figures of ancient history? Is that responsible? Perhaps we should say that Constantine was awesome at keeping church out of state.

Neoklondiak

Personally I would have thought that Jesus would want people to help the poor because they want to and because it's the right thing to do, not have the goverment forcibly take and redistribute against everyone's will.

[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] He also said that a camel will have a better chance to go throw the eye of a needle than a rich person go to Heaven, the people you so highly defend. So he was in fact giving his opinion about people that accumulate lots of wealth against those who don't. Jesus way of life was closest to an egalitarian society than a non-egalitarian one. I guess he understood we are social beings and as highly cooperative social beings differences create disturbances.kuraimen

Personally I would have thought that Jesus would want people to help the poor because they want to and because it's the right thing to do, not have the goverment forcibly take and redistribute against everyone's will.

What. The. ****

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]Gotta love people who follow republican Jesus lol.

Jesus constantly advocated giving to the poor and hating on the rich.

Christianity 101. Looks like you've been picking and choosing what you're believing.

lulz

Philokalia

I follow the God Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was not a republican, he is his own king, and in his kingdom material goods or wellbeing do not matter.

Jesus did not hate rich, only warned them of the consequences of dedicatings ones life to the service and accumulation of wealth.

As for Christianity 101. An internet socialist is telling me that I pick and choose in Christianity. It should be known that there were wealthy members in the church from the very begining. The most notable example I would suggest would be Joseph of Aritmathea who was rich enough to afford a tomb and gave his tomb to Christ. Then there is also the person of Philomon, rich enough to own slaves, but never condemned for his wealth.

So please learn Christianity.

Republican Jesus ftl.

Jesus wouldn't approve what's happening in Africa the continent that receives the most charity in the world is also the one with the biggest problems. Charity doesn't resolve problems, social justice does.kuraimen

For the longest time in history it was Christians and hte church which did more to help the world than any government did. the Church operated hospitals for lepers. It saved children who were abandoned to infanticide. It brought love into a social world which was cold and pagan. and the churches continue to do this now and not at the expense of the people around them. Not forcing people to donate. The government will not solve the worlds problems.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

Personally I would have thought that Jesus would want people to help the poor because they want to and because it's the right thing to do, not have the goverment forcibly take and redistribute against everyone's will.

Neoklondiak

"My Kingdom is not of this World" - Jesus Christ.