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[QUOTE="JML897"]It's not "hating America" as much as "America could be so much better than it currently is". Disliking the government doesn't mean you hate the country. The_Gaming_Baby
agreed
I did vote for Obama (but I voted for Hillary in the 2008 primaries) in these last 2 elections.......my problem is more with Congress, but Obama does need to continue trying to work with those clowns even if it seems futile. Seems like he has given up.
Love my country, absolutely beautiful, lots of good people in the middle of the country as others have said, despite my political differences with them (often they are in red states)
jesusI think you mean why do liberals hate America.
Liberals would probably hate the America that George Washington and the other Founding Fathers formed.
th3warr1or
The land here is beautiful and the people are generally likable for the most part outside of the major population centers. Most state-level governments are alright too because there's a degree of transparency to them.
The opaqueness of the Federal government's actions makes it unlikable by default, and our leaders are largely disconnected from the rest of society. Add in all the bickering and whining in congress over regulation/deregulation to satisfy their financial backers and you have a pretty repulsive, selfish leadership in place. Obviously the right thing to do would be to vote more intelligently and with more knowledge of the candidates, but democratic voting processes tend to cater to the lowest common denominator as we've seen time and time again. There isn't really a viable alternative either, so some people get frustrated with the current system and appear to the ignorant like they're some sort of anarchists for believing in progression and reform.
I don't hate it, but I am very critical of it's decisions and my fellow citizens and their choices in the matter. Â It may be a first world nation but the things we still have to fight over, like gay marriage, weed, guns, and fundie christians makes this place a very unstable country for social issues.
I like the country I live in. Dont agree with some of the government policies and such. But I can separate that from the actual people of the country.
heres my reason
---- health careÂ
the most important thing yet it costs us thousands if not millions of dollars out of our own pocket ---and not everyone makes that kind of money ,this government is  all about the money not the people,  Â
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free health care would help  alot  ,  but instead they enforce a law by 2014 if you dont have health insurance-another thing you gotta pay for --- you go to jail or face fines..  first they impose car insurance laws thats good but , now its health insurance whats next-  inforcing home insurance and  then life insurance  this country is garbage any way you spin it
mariokart64fan
You do realize that we would pay higher taxes if the government paid for our health care right? Now, driving a car is a privilege and as such, you can be required to have insurance coverage of some sort if you will be driving be it a personal vehicle, a company vehicles (your company has insurance that covers you), or you rent a car (your regular insurance most likely covers rentals, but if you do not have personal car insurance, you can buy it from the rental car company and it covers you if you are involved in a wreck where you might not even have to pay anything).
As long as one has a mortgage on a house or property, you will be required to have homeowners insurance by the bank, not the government nor does the government force you to buy homeowners insurance unless you are buying a HUD home or have a mortgage through Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. One can avoid having to have homeowners insurance by living in an apartment, but if there is a fire or your apartment in broken into, you will not be able to replace your belongings without renters insurance. The property owners insurance will not cover your losses.
Well you just proved you don't know jack about the founding fathers....I think you mean why do liberals hate America.
Liberals would probably hate the America that George Washington and the other Founding Fathers formed.
th3warr1or
[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]What kind of change? Like specific examples of the change that is being pushed by liberals.Probably. But conservatives actively attempt to preserve things as they are. One might say that's called being old-fashioned or stuck in the past, maybe even stupidity, but that's another issue.
Things change. No doubt about that. On the other hand, it's another thing to actively try to change things. It's almost like the people who move to Europe to escape their homeland, and then attempt to change Europe into what they were running away from.
dave123321
I will give you a couple. While I am not religious by any means, removing prayer in school or at school activities. We always had silent prayer before class while I was in school and I had no problem with it. Also, removing the Pledge of Allegiance from schools due to the word God in it. How about the 10 Commandments from public buildings? Liberals are wanting to remove all reference to God from our lives from where I stand. It was even thought that the Presidential Dollar Coins did not have In God We Trust on it (it was on the edge of the coins) due to pressure from liberal groups.
Liberal minded child psychologists who decry the use of corporal punishment for misbehaving children. Look around at how many kids act up in public nowadays. Just Sunday while I was at the grocery store, this young girl was with her parents and she was running up and down the aisles and sliding across the floor without so much as one word. If I had tried something like that as a 5 or 6 year old kid, I would have had my rear end smacked right then and there. Not in todays world. Now, I have no problem with parents spanking a child, but beating the child is out of the question. The touchy, feely notion of time out just does not work.
[QUOTE="th3warr1or"]Well you just proved you don't know jack about the founding fathers.... Last time I was in Canada all I heard on the radio was country.....I think you mean why do liberals hate America.
Liberals would probably hate the America that George Washington and the other Founding Fathers formed.
YoshiYogurt
Because for some odd reason that isn't fathomable is that the US government and the country itself are completely unrelated and that it is okay to hate the government.
Personally, I don't hate them nor do I like it. It's a necessary evil that's there because it just is. I think people hate the government because they either give it too much credit or they expect so much that they deliver poorly later on and that we often underestimate ourselves and our abilities to do good in this country or even this world. Government does have the potential to do well but it's not the only entity in this country that has the capacity to do good.
The United States is my home. This nation is not perfect but my family has lived here for generations. I do not like many aspects of it but all of my memories have been in this country - every good memory and every bad memory. Sure, Democrats sometimes annoy me but Republicans do too. Sure, I hate how popular abortion has become but I love my niece and nephew who live here. I do not always like the country I live in but it is a country I would fight to defend.mindstorm
Not attacking you because you are one of the few religious posters I respect on this forum, but do you have any statistics to support that idea that abortion is popular? Last time I checked it was a last resort for most people, unless you count IUD's and the morning after pill as an abortion.Â
[QUOTE="mindstorm"]The United States is my home. This nation is not perfect but my family has lived here for generations. I do not like many aspects of it but all of my memories have been in this country - every good memory and every bad memory. Sure, Democrats sometimes annoy me but Republicans do too. Sure, I hate how popular abortion has become but I love my niece and nephew who live here. I do not always like the country I live in but it is a country I would fight to defend.Yusuke420
Not attacking you because you are one of the few religious posters I respect on this forum, but do you have any statistics to support that idea that abortion is popular? Last time I checked it was a last resort for most people, unless you count IUD's and the morning after pill as an abortion.Â
50 million legal abortions in the last 40 years.Here is more detailed information.
I do not know the exact percentage but I'm under the impression that would be something like 1/3 pregancies.
[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]
[QUOTE="mindstorm"]The United States is my home. This nation is not perfect but my family has lived here for generations. I do not like many aspects of it but all of my memories have been in this country - every good memory and every bad memory. Sure, Democrats sometimes annoy me but Republicans do too. Sure, I hate how popular abortion has become but I love my niece and nephew who live here. I do not always like the country I live in but it is a country I would fight to defend.mindstorm
Not attacking you because you are one of the few religious posters I respect on this forum, but do you have any statistics to support that idea that abortion is popular? Last time I checked it was a last resort for most people, unless you count IUD's and the morning after pill as an abortion.Â
50 million legal abortions in the last 40 years.Here is more detailed information.
I do not know the exact percentage but I'm under the impression that would be something like 1/3 pregancies.
Making it illegal also results in deaths and complications. But this is the least of our social problems, IMO.
I can't find any stats to compare the amount of live births in that same time frame, but I'd like to work out the percentages. Does bother me that people haven't figured out how to properly use controception though. It's not that hard to put on a rubber or take a pill. IUD's are an even better option. Hopefully they'll have more male controception soon because I have a feeling that will help significantly.Â
[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"]What kind of change? Like specific examples of the change that is being pushed by liberals.Probably. But conservatives actively attempt to preserve things as they are. One might say that's called being old-fashioned or stuck in the past, maybe even stupidity, but that's another issue.
Things change. No doubt about that. On the other hand, it's another thing to actively try to change things. It's almost like the people who move to Europe to escape their homeland, and then attempt to change Europe into what they were running away from.
WhiteKnight77
I will give you a couple. While I am not religious by any means, removing prayer in school or at school activities. We always had silent prayer before class while I was in school and I had no problem with it. Also, removing the Pledge of Allegiance from schools due to the word God in it. How about the 10 Commandments from public buildings? Liberals are wanting to remove all reference to God from our lives from where I stand. It was even thought that the Presidential Dollar Coins did not have In God We Trust on it (it was on the edge of the coins) due to pressure from liberal groups.
Liberal minded child psychologists who decry the use of corporal punishment for misbehaving children. Look around at how many kids act up in public nowadays. Just Sunday while I was at the grocery store, this young girl was with her parents and she was running up and down the aisles and sliding across the floor without so much as one word. If I had tried something like that as a 5 or 6 year old kid, I would have had my rear end smacked right then and there. Not in todays world. Now, I have no problem with parents spanking a child, but beating the child is out of the question. The touchy, feely notion of time out just does not work.
First off, the Pledge of Allegiance didn't have "under God" until the 1950s nor did we have "In God We Trust" on our paper money (The quote was added on coins after the Civil War to commemorate the national tragedy that our country endured) or as our national motto before the 1950s. These quotes were added in during the Cold War to differente ourselves from the Atheist Soviet Union. There is nothing significant about these quotes and they are meaningless today.
Second, the 10 Commandments has no place because it is a violation of the First Amendment and it really has no place. Biblical law is NOT the foundation of this country otherwise, I'd be stoning some guy because he worked on the sabbath while beating my slaves. Also while the 10 Commandments is shown on the Supreme Court building, it's merely one part of a scene where all lawgivers such as Hammarabi and Menes are shown. In fact here's a link explaining the whole thing.
Third, involuntary prayer doesn't belong in a public school, it's a violation of the First Amendment. Get over it. I don't know how this is still issue.
Forth, corporal punishment doesn't work. In the short run, it does work but not the long run. Numerous studies have shown that corporal punishment harms children psychologically to the point where the child would most likely become criminals or end up beating their own children or even their spouse. It doesn't work. No one says you can't discipline your child but corporal punishment only works in the short run, not the long run. Also, this does include spanking.
Fifth, get rid of the notion that liberals are ruining America because right now it's people who are trying to instill values into law whether it's prayer or a soda ban that should shut up and jump over a cliff.
50 million legal abortions in the last 40 years.[QUOTE="mindstorm"]
[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]
Not attacking you because you are one of the few religious posters I respect on this forum, but do you have any statistics to support that idea that abortion is popular? Last time I checked it was a last resort for most people, unless you count IUD's and the morning after pill as an abortion.Â
wis3boi
Here is more detailed information.
I do not know the exact percentage but I'm under the impression that would be something like 1/3 pregancies.
Making it illegal also results in deaths and complications. But this is the least of our social problems, IMO.
In no conceivable way would I think that making it illegal would be easy. The ideas of adoption, protection, and abstinence would have to be encouraged much more before such a thing happened.[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="mindstorm"] 50 million legal abortions in the last 40 years.
Here is more detailed information.
I do not know the exact percentage but I'm under the impression that would be something like 1/3 pregancies.
mindstorm
Making it illegal also results in deaths and complications. But this is the least of our social problems, IMO.
In no conceivable way would I think that making it illegal would be easy. The ideas of adoption, protection, and abstinence would have to be encouraged much more before such a thing happened.hard social conservatism is what is rumbling this country the most
Because people care more about Michelle Obama's bangs than the amount of debt were in. Americans will believe anything if you keep tellling the same thing over and over again. America's priorties are backwards and were getting things constantly shoved down our throats.
Because people care more about Michelle Obama's bangs than the amount of debt were in. Americans will believe anything if you keep tellling the same thing over and over again. America's priorties are backwards and were getting things constantly shoved down our throats.
JDWolfie
You've met 300 million people?
Because I feel there is no history in this country(shouldn't say none, but close to it) In Europe history is around every corner. Its also a much more laid back life in Europe(atleast thats what it seems like when I have traveled there) I would move, but I can't leave at such a young age:P
You mean the ones that designed the Constitution to blatantly favor the wealthy and leave almost no room for the majority to actually influence politics?I think you mean why do liberals hate America.
Liberals would probably hate the America that George Washington and the other Founding Fathers formed.
th3warr1or
Because we're spoiled rotten and everyone's mindset had decayed to a low quality weak-mindedness.
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Basically we don't know how good we have it, and I almost wish a serious crisis would happen in theis country to slap everyone back to things that matter.
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Yeah, I'm talking about how all we care about now is saving the gay whales. You know what I'm talking about.
I think a big issue is alot of people don't realize how well they have it compared to alot of the world, so they hate and hate.
So because we have it better then most countries, there is no room for improvement in our own? We have more people in prison per capita then any other nation. That's a huge problem! Our government is consistantly meddling in the middle east for the sake of Israel and nothing is coming of it but war and turmoil. We have budget problems and the people in charge of fixing it can't stand to be in the same room with one another! There are a host of problems and we as citizens have EVERY right to complain about them.ÂI think a big issue is alot of people don't realize how well they have it compared to alot of the world, so they hate and hate.
MakeMeaSammitch
So because we have it better then most countries, there is no room for improvement in our own? We have more people in prison per capita then any other nation. That's a huge problem! Our government is consistantly meddling in the middle east for the sake of Israel and nothing is coming of it but war and turmoil. We have budget problems and the people in charge of fixing it can't stand to be in the same room with one another! There are a host of problems and we as citizens have EVERY right to complain about them.Â[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]
I think a big issue is alot of people don't realize how well they have it compared to alot of the world, so they hate and hate.
Yusuke420
That's because of drug laws.
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Actually, we can easily cut our budget dramitically, people just don't have the balls to do it yet because it hasn't gotten bad enough, but it will happen.
I don't get it. It seems like every single person I know is against the government. Either they're so far left of a right winged hippie, or the goverment's taking your guns/goverment still has guns /they should be gone/Thanks Obama. When they really have no problems and the government doesn't intrude on their lives or anything which makes me wonder why they are even complaining?
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I like this country. Very nice. Some beautiful states like Colorado and other states I have lived in. People are nice unless you live on one of the coasts. My Grandpa was a WW2 hero of "the greatest generation". The thing about me is I am apolitical, so it makes living here easier for me.
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I want to see Alaska, hopefully not during the three months of night time. When it's 24 hour sunlight I want to be there.
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OT, why you hate America?
OT, do you like this country?
TheHighWind
I still believe in a place called home. America toady ain't the same country I remember. The President cutting the Military and supports sins. America once said by George Washington " if they ever take God out of politics it will be the downfall of this nation." What Obama is doing is taking him out and supporting the devil!
So because we have it better then most countries, there is no room for improvement in our own? We have more people in prison per capita then any other nation. That's a huge problem! Our government is consistantly meddling in the middle east for the sake of Israel and nothing is coming of it but war and turmoil. We have budget problems and the people in charge of fixing it can't stand to be in the same room with one another! There are a host of problems and we as citizens have EVERY right to complain about them. 95% of the things people complain about are either stupid or meaningless.[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]
I think a big issue is alot of people don't realize how well they have it compared to alot of the world, so they hate and hate.
Yusuke420
Example being new york banning 2 liters. People complain and complain that they're being prosecuted when ironically it's for their own good. It's stupid. Or Fox news claiming Christians are being persecuted. Again stupid.Â
Look at the middle east if you want to see actual problems.
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