Who says that the One World Trade Center should have anti-aircraft turrets?

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#1 angry_roman1011
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It's more of a candid and lighthearted topic than a debate again about 9/11, who to blame, blah blah...Well, the US had the tenacity to reconstruct the World Trade Center(Honestly, its design reminds me of the Gentek building in Prototype) which would be higher than the Empire State Building. One thing I'm apprehensive about is its structural integrity and its means of defense against a possible(God forbid) attack. What are your ideas? Should it have turrets/radars,etc?
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#2 Necrifer
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It should have turrets EVERYWHERE!

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#3 brickdoctor
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We have airport security so we don't have to shoot planes full of innocents out of the sky.

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#5 Pirate700
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If it shot an incoming plane down, then it would just crash into another building...

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#6 Treflis
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Why not just scrap the entire One World trade Center building and build Liberty Prime there instead?
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#7 194197844077667059316682358889
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You should apparently be careful making 9/11-related threads
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#8 JustPlainLucas
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We have airport security so we don't have to shoot planes full of innocents out of the sky.

brickdoctor
That failed horribly on 9/11... Anyway, I'm all for turrets on the buildings. Let's just spray innocent people on the streets with molten steel instead of having innocent people die in a building.
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#9 brickdoctor
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[QUOTE="brickdoctor"]

We have airport security so we don't have to shoot planes full of innocents out of the sky.

JustPlainLucas

That failed horribly on 9/11...

We weren't expecting it (or if you're a conspiracy theorist then we let it happen.) Airport security is completely different now than compared to back then. Not to mention planes didn't have flight marshalls at the time and pilots weren't allowed pistols. The odds of a second terrorist attempt when it comes to crashing planes into building is extremely unlikely.

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#10 thriteenthmonke
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If it shot an incoming plane down, then it would just crash into another building...

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Solution: Laser turrets capable of vaporizing an entire plane.
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#12 Necrifer
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Solution: Laser turrets capable of vaporizing an entire plane.

thriteenthmonke

And to ensure the turrets have the power to do that, the whole tower will be a battery, with the workers inside constantly running on wheels to charge it.

Or if we would just cover the tower in turrets, they could obliterate an oncoming plane, turning it into confetti. *Throws confetti into the air*

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#13 deactivated-5b31d3729c1fa
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If it shot an incoming plane down, then it would just crash into another building...

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multiple buildings

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#14 flipin_jackass
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We should upgrade the Empire State building to an ice tower first to slow down incoming attacks.
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#16 JustPlainLucas
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We weren't expecting it (or if you're a conspiracy theorist then we let it happen.) Airport security is completely different now than compared to back then. Not to mention planes didn't have flight marshalls at the time and pilots weren't allowed pistols. The odds of a second terrorist attempt when it comes to crashing planes into building is extremely unlikely.

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Until the likelihood becomes impossible, airport security will never be good enough.
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#17 nutcrackr
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Make it a huge Tesla coil, the steel is already there.
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#18 poptart
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Well obviously then terrorists will take over the turrets and shoot other buildings/civilians.

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#19 thriteenthmonke
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What about gravity rays that will bring it gently to the ground?

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Please, let's be realistic here.
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#21 thriteenthmonke
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Right, plane vaporizing laser turrets attatched to this building is being realistic. Silly me.

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I'm glad you understand.
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#22 Mordred19
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[QUOTE="brickdoctor"]

We weren't expecting it (or if you're a conspiracy theorist then we let it happen.) Airport security is completely different now than compared to back then. Not to mention planes didn't have flight marshalls at the time and pilots weren't allowed pistols. The odds of a second terrorist attempt when it comes to crashing planes into building is extremely unlikely.

JustPlainLucas

Until the likelihood becomes impossible, airport security will never be good enough.

but the passengers will be good enough to stop anyone from hijacking. a wannabe hijacker would know this and that's why they focus on bombs and blowing up the plane right away.

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#23 angry_roman1011
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[QUOTE="InEMplease"]

What about gravity rays that will bring it gently to the ground?

thriteenthmonke
Please, let's be realistic here.

looks like you intimidated the posters with this one... :D
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#25 JustPlainLucas
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but the passengers will be good enough to stop anyone from hijacking. a wannabe hijacker would know this and that's why they focus on bombs and blowing up the plane right away.

Mordred19
If I wanted to hi-jack a plane, I'd become a pilot and fly the plane into the building myself. That work around will take years upon years of planning, but I would do this as a dedicated member of my terrorist organization. I'm sure that no matter the security employs or the will of samaritans, the dedicated will find a way to strike at us again. It only matters to them that we think we're safe again. After all, that's how the succeeded back on 9/11.
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#26 hartsickdiscipl
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I actually think that the AA turrets are a good idea. I'm dead serious.

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#27 scorch-62
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I would rather a plane hit one building than run the risk of having a plane shot down and poised to take out several buildings. Besides, it would have to be a fairly elaborate system. The building isn't exactly in an isolated location. . .
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#28 CHOASXIII
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It should have lasers on it.

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#29 deactivated-5e7f8a21de9dd
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The plane has to go somewhere....

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#30 Wasdie  Moderator
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Nothing says "we aren't afraid of you anymore. Honest!" like good ol' SAM turrest on the top of a building.

Also shoot down a plane over NYC = a mess of dead people.

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#31 CHOASXIII
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Nothing says "we aren't afraid of you anymore. Honest!" like good ol' SAM turrest on the top of a building.

Also shoot down a plane over NYC = a mess of dead people.

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It's okay because Spiderman will have time to build a web to catch the plane.

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#32 stanleycup98
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[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="brickdoctor"]

We have airport security so we don't have to shoot planes full of innocents out of the sky.

brickdoctor

That failed horribly on 9/11...

We weren't expecting it (or if you're a conspiracy theorist then we let it happen.) Airport security is completely different now than compared to back then. Not to mention planes didn't have flight marshalls at the time and pilots weren't allowed pistols. The odds of a second terrorist attempt when it comes to crashing planes into building is extremely unlikely.

It's still rather ineffective. The only advantage is now planes are almost impossible to hijack, but bombs are even more of a threat than they used to be. I just had to write a paper on this ;)
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#33 iblowuup
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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

but the passengers will be good enough to stop anyone from hijacking. a wannabe hijacker would know this and that's why they focus on bombs and blowing up the plane right away.

JustPlainLucas
If I wanted to hi-jack a plane, I'd become a pilot and fly the plane into the building myself. That work around will take years upon years of planning, but I would do this as a dedicated member of my terrorist organization. I'm sure that no matter the security employs or the will of samaritans, the dedicated will find a way to strike at us again. It only matters to them that we think we're safe again. After all, that's how the succeeded back on 9/11.

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#34 deactivated-59f03d6ce656b
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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

but the passengers will be good enough to stop anyone from hijacking. a wannabe hijacker would know this and that's why they focus on bombs and blowing up the plane right away.

JustPlainLucas
If I wanted to hi-jack a plane, I'd become a pilot and fly the plane into the building myself. That work around will take years upon years of planning, but I would do this as a dedicated member of my terrorist organization. I'm sure that no matter the security employs or the will of samaritans, the dedicated will find a way to strike at us again. It only matters to them that we think we're safe again. After all, that's how the succeeded back on 9/11.

You make it seem like 1 pilot is alone in the cockpit and that pilots dont have to go through screening. Anyways a hijacking is almost impossible due to the reinforced cockpit doors and passengers on planes fighting back no matter what.
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#35 Bloodseeker23
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If it shot an incoming plane down, then it would just crash into another building...

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As long as it aint Trade Center man! lol j/k.
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#36 MrGeezer
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It's more of a candid and lighthearted topic than a debate again about 9/11, who to blame, blah blah...Well, the US had the tenacity to reconstruct the World Trade Center(Honestly, its design reminds me of the Gentek building in Prototype) which would be higher than the Empire State Building. One thing I'm apprehensive about is its structural integrity and its means of defense against a possible(God forbid) attack. What are your ideas? Should it have turrets/radars,etc?angry_roman1011

Then the terrorists will just attack a different building.

So the only solution is to put anti-aircraft guns in ALL buildings.

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#37 MrGeezer
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I actually think that the AA turrets are a good idea. I'm dead serious.

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No way, man. Eventually some nutjob will use the turrets to attack the aliens.

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#38 Frame_Dragger
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AA guns... on buildings... in peacetime?!

I'm not clear if that's stupid, ignorant, insane or some gumbo of the three. AA guns firing at the aricraft headng toward the old north and south towers wouldn't have stopped the damned things you know. You'd actually need a RADAR installation and SAM's to be effective, and then you'd... ooops... be downing a plane over some random OTHER part of Manhatten.

This has the same logic as giving everyone a shotgun upon entering an airplane. Besides, who the hell is going to trust an automated threat detection system in the middle of a major metropolis? Better systems have led to blue on blue incidents in the past, even with the Aegis system! You'd need perfect, and that doesn't happen... so no.

Wait... why am I even responding to this madness?

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#39 raven_squad
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This just makes me imagine New York as a big game of Tower Defense. :P
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#40 Lief_Ericson
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Maybe they should just turn the surrounding area into a sprawling AA defence grid like the Death Star

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#41 parkurtommo
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I was thinking this but then again it wouldn't be of much use if there are plains flying by constantly.

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#42 stevoqwerty
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Instead of thinking offense, how about coming up with a defensive technology, say enegy shielding?

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#44 angry_roman1011
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Instead of thinking offense, how about coming up with a defensive technology, say enegy shielding?

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Is it even plausible? Is it something like a force field or something?
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#45 deactivated-590595a6292ce
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Excellent idea! Why didn't they think of this before...:roll:

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#46 Frame_Dragger
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Excellent idea! Why didn't they think of this before...:roll:

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Lol... I was thinking those same words. @Lief_Ericson: Heh, and see how well that worked... twice! :P
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#47 th3warr1or
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If it shot an incoming plane down, then it would just crash into another building...

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Not if it completely obliterated it, and I mean like totally vaporized! :P
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#48 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

If it shot an incoming plane down, then it would just crash into another building...

Not if it completely obliterated it, and I mean like totally vaporized! :P

I know you're kidding, but people really think like that... which is scary.
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#49 CreasianDevaili
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If I was a terrorist and the buildings I commanded to be taken down with civilian airplanes full of people were to be rebuilt and then rigged with anti aircraft turrets then I would do everything I could to use those turrets against other buildings in another attack. The idea of the first attack and the second would be the same.
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#50 UprootedDreamer
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How about not, we do not need turrets on the one World Trade Center building.