Whenever the US military shows off its new War battleship or technology.......

I cant help but think about the people who are pre-destined to have to die to justify such investment. It feels almost like an economic system actually, create supply of weapon X, derive demand Death of population Y.

Wether it be investment in Drones, Robotics or new defence IT systems, there is just that thing that auto ticks my head that says ''Death Machine'', am i alone in thinking this way?

I just think "Holy sh!t,are they actually cutting the budget?"

Si vis pacem para bellum

I usually think, holy crap, that's awesome!

You're leik, so enlightened man.

We're all pre-destined to die.

That's the good thing about the US losing its economical power. At least they won't be able to go on murdering people worldwide as much as they do now... well hopefully.kuraimen

That's the good thing about the US losing its economical power. At least they won't be able to go on murdering people worldwide as much as they do now... well hopefully.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]That's the good thing about the US losing its economical power. At least they won't be able to go on murdering people worldwide as much as they do now... well hopefully.Pirate700

The tech does not necessarily mean someone has to die...LJS9502_basic

But why does record prove otherwise :(

The tech does not necessarily mean someone has to die...LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The tech does not necessarily mean someone has to die...megaspiderweb09

But why does record prove otherwise :(

[QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The tech does not necessarily mean someone has to die...LJS9502_basic

But why does record prove otherwise :(

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The tech does not necessarily mean someone has to die...EasyStreet

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

But why does record prove otherwise :(

EasyStreet

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="EasyStreet"]Swiss say Bah to that:o.EasyStreet

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="EasyStreet"]Swiss say Bah to that:o.EasyStreet

I usually think, holy crap, that's awesome!

Pirate700

You think of how many die. I think of how many saved.

Sorry. We don't live in a world where there's rainbows and unicorns everywhere all the time. As long as people are different, there will be conflict.

I believe that future wars are far more likely to be related to economic takeovers and ICT warfare. Investing that much money to make sure that you have the biggest gun is a waste. The US military seems more keen on keeping the US weapon-lobby satisfied that actually taking measures to protect US citizens in future wars. But that's just my take on it.

That's the good thing about the US losing its economical power. At least they won't be able to go on murdering people worldwide as much as they do now... well hopefully.kuraimen

You think of how many die. I think of how many saved.

Sorry. We don't live in a world where there's rainbows and unicorns everywhere all the time. As long as people are different, there will be conflict.

VoodooHak

Mmm who exactly did we save? Every war the US has fought in after WW2 was optional and done so for political and economic gain.. In fact two of the larger human rights diseasters, Darfur and Rwanda, was IGNORED by the super powers of the world for the most part..

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

You think of how many die. I think of how many saved.

Sorry. We don't live in a world where there's rainbows and unicorns everywhere all the time. As long as people are different, there will be conflict.

sSubZerOo

Mmm who exactly did we save? Every war the US has fought in after WW2 was optional and done so for political and economic gain.. In fact two of the larger human rights diseasters, Darfur and Rwanda, was IGNORED by the super powers of the world for the most part..

:cool:

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

You think of how many die. I think of how many saved.

Sorry. We don't live in a world where there's rainbows and unicorns everywhere all the time. As long as people are different, there will be conflict.

sSubZerOo

Mmm who exactly did we save?

South Korea and Kuwait,

Taiwan and other satellites by being a deterrant against Russia and the PRC. etc etc.

I enjoy seeing new tech from the military because it trickles down to the masses. At the same time, I ask why there's a need for such a thing. The US is already the most dominant force on the planet. Why do we need new toys?

I enjoy seeing new tech from the military because it trickles down to the masses. At the same time, I ask why there's a need for such a thing. The US is already the most dominant force on the planet. Why do we need new toys?

lowkey254

I enjoy seeing new tech from the military because it trickles down to the masses. At the same time, I ask why there's a need for such a thing. The US is already the most dominant force on the planet. Why do we need new toys?

lowkey254

staying ahead in the game?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

You think of how many die. I think of how many saved.

Sorry. We don't live in a world where there's rainbows and unicorns everywhere all the time. As long as people are different, there will be conflict.

Storm_Marine

Mmm who exactly did we save?

south korea and kuwait, Taiwan and other satellites by being a deterrant against Russia and the PRC. etc etc.

Korea was a civil war that we chose sides with, it was for poltiical gain not to save lives.. Plenty of them were in fact killed.. If thats the case why didn't you mention Vietnam? A war which led to the mass slaughtering of people by US forces.. You also forgot to mention how we installed dictators and supported certain groups that killed labor movements within regions like the Middle East.. Or my personal favorite the supporting of Pinochet which he then controlled the people in his South American country in terror for 17 years.. The US has killed as many people as it apparently "saved" because that was never the governments goal to begin with.. I would hardly claim that as "saving lives".

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Mmm who exactly did we save?

sSubZerOo

south korea and kuwait, Taiwan and other satellites by being a deterrant against Russia and the PRC. etc etc.

Korea was a civil war that we chose sides with, it was for poltiical gain not to save lives..

who cares what the motives are? accidental good is still good.

but i see you are resolved to hate the US no matter what

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

I enjoy seeing new tech from the military because it trickles down to the masses. At the same time, I ask why there's a need for such a thing. The US is already the most dominant force on the planet. Why do we need new toys?

Storm_Marine

staying ahead in the game?

Its tough keeping ahead when the enemies of the world are third world dictatorships and militias that hide within caves.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

south korea and kuwait, Taiwan and other satellites by being a deterrant against Russia and the PRC. etc etc.

Storm_Marine

Korea was a civil war that we chose sides with, it was for poltiical gain not to save lives..

who cares what the motives are? accidental good is still good.

but i see you are resolved to hate the US no matter what

Not when those "accidentals" have caused catastrophic damages to numerous nations and people as well.. But hey if you can't combat it, just continue splicing up quotations to get rid of statements that you clearly can't defend against.. Hating? No, merely critical and cynical when some one brings up the idea that its to "save lives".. Where did I say the US is any worse then any other country? Oh thats right NO where.. Did I do any comparisons to suggest that another country is way better? Nope..

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

I enjoy seeing new tech from the military because it trickles down to the masses. At the same time, I ask why there's a need for such a thing. The US is already the most dominant force on the planet. Why do we need new toys?

sSubZerOo

staying ahead in the game?

Its tough keeping ahead when the enemies of the world are third world dictatorships and militias that hide within caves.

you're one of the reasons why i cant wait for when China takes over circa 2040. You're going to be so nostalgic for the Pax Americana.

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Korea was a civil war that we chose sides with, it was for poltiical gain not to save lives..

sSubZerOo

who cares what the motives are? accidental good is still good.

but i see you are resolved to hate the US no matter what

Not when those "accidentals" have caused catastrophic damages to numerous nations and people as well..

you're determined to ignore the good and focus on the bad

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

You think of how many die. I think of how many saved.

Sorry. We don't live in a world where there's rainbows and unicorns everywhere all the time. As long as people are different, there will be conflict.

sonicare

Mmm who exactly did we save? Every war the US has fought in after WW2 was optional and done so for political and economic gain.. In fact two of the larger human rights diseasters, Darfur and Rwanda, was IGNORED by the super powers of the world for the most part..

It's easy to count bodies, but not so easy to quantify deaths prevented.

Besides, what would you have us do in Darfur? Should the US be the world police and step in whenever we feel the need to pick a side? Or... should we pick our battles so we can spend out resources in areas where we have a vested interest? I would think the latter.

If by "ignored" you mean not in the main stream media at all hours, then yes, it was ignored. However, last time I checked the ICC's investigation is still in progress with UN folks in-country. I don't mean to downplay what's going on there or in Rwanda or anywhere else in the world, but the US can only go so far.

Looping this back to the main topic... if the US has to build a battleship every few years to project power and put bad guys on notice, then so be it.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Storm_Marine"]

staying ahead in the game?

Storm_Marine

Its tough keeping ahead when the enemies of the world are third world dictatorships and militias that hide within caves.

you're one of the reasons why i cant wait for when China takes over circa 2040. You're going to be so nostalgic for the Pax Americana.

I believe that future wars are far more likely to be related to economic takeovers and ICT warfare. Investing that much money to make sure that you have the biggest gun is a waste. The US military seems more keen on keeping the US weapon-lobby satisfied that actually taking measures to protect US citizens in future wars. But that's just my take on it.

rastotm

Whats ICT warfare?

[QUOTE="rastotm"]

I believe that future wars are far more likely to be related to economic takeovers and ICT warfare. Investing that much money to make sure that you have the biggest gun is a waste. The US military seems more keen on keeping the US weapon-lobby satisfied that actually taking measures to protect US citizens in future wars. But that's just my take on it.

megaspiderweb09

Whats ICT warfare?

a funny way of saying cyberwarfare

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]That's the good thing about the US losing its economical power. At least they won't be able to go on murdering people worldwide as much as they do now... well hopefully.Toxic-Seahorse

I usually think, holy crap, that's awesome!

Pirate700

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]That's the good thing about the US losing its economical power. At least they won't be able to go on murdering people worldwide as much as they do now... well hopefully.Toxic-Seahorse

death machine huh?

This is why we can't have nice things, like good education,health care or infrastructure.Person0