UPDATE! NeoGAF Owner accused of sexual abuse, site officially back up and statement

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#351 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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@MirkoS77: congrats you managed to cherry pick some comments on a forum. What does that prove? I never denied that some people are falsely calling it rape.

What I want you to do is to stop downplaying sexual assault. He wasn't acting like an idiot, he was acting like a sexual predator. Like I said when you downplay stuff like this you not only normalise it but also make more serious stuff like rape seem not as bad, since the whole concept of something being bad is relative. If you had a single shred of decency in you, you'd stop.

Yes exaggerating what someone did is wrong, but you don't counter that by downplaying what they did. You counter it by accurately describing what they did.

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#352  Edited By MirkoS77
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@toast_burner said:

@MirkoS77: congrats you managed to cherry pick some comments on a forum. What does that prove? I never denied that some people are falsely calling it rape.

What I want you to do is to stop downplaying sexual assault. He wasn't acting like an idiot, he was acting like a sexual predator. Like I said when you downplay stuff like this you not only normalise it but also make more serious stuff like rape seem not as bad, since the whole concept of something being bad is relative. If you had a single shred of decency in you, you'd stop.

If you're going to have the nerve to come at me like this, tell me exactly how I'm downplaying sexual assault. I admitted it could be harassment back at page 2. Did you see that post, or did you....what was the term...."cherry pick some comments on a forum" to selectively attack me? Do you not consider sexual harassment to be sexually predatory behavior, something that I've already conceded with that post? Answer that, because if you say yes, on what grounds can you then claim I don't think he could've been acting like a sexual predator? If no, then what line do you draw to define predatory behavior to further your argument against me that I've neglected to humor Malka the possibility?

You accuse me of this while seemingly ignoring that my entire stance isn't against a claim of sexual assault at all, it is against those who are claiming it rape when it clearly wasn't. If you believe I'm downplaying this, then you owe me the explanation of how I'm to argue this incident didn't constitute rape without someone like yourself viewing it as being synonymous with marginalizing sexual assault as a whole. How do I do it? I've already repeated that what he did was wrong over and over. I stated it might've been possible harassment, a definition I believe you'd accept to be predatory and classified under sexual assault.

So I ask once more, what is it that you want? Because from where I stand, I've provided what you're asking for before you've even asked for it. Don't you dare come at me and imply me lacking any decency; you'd best back it up.

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#353  Edited By Oliver8114
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@toast_burner said:

@MirkoS77: congrats you managed to cherry pick some comments on a forum. What does that prove? I never denied that some people are falsely calling it rape.

What I want you to do is to stop downplaying sexual assault. He wasn't acting like an idiot, he was acting like a sexual predator. Like I said when you downplay stuff like this you not only normalise it but also make more serious stuff like rape seem not as bad, since the whole concept of something being bad is relative. If you had a single shred of decency in you, you'd stop.

Yes exaggerating what someone did is wrong, but you don't counter that by downplaying what they did. You counter it by accurately describing what they did.

Stop saying it was sexual assault while we have NO prove of that. At most what we do know its sexual harrassment. Nothing more and nothing less. And the fact that he did immediately stop after she said no (at least that we know) and they even talked about this you can not even call him a predator.

That said: The revenge porn thing back than is not acceptable but back then GAF did not even care that much which makes this here such a hypocrisy....

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#354 LJS9502_basic
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@MirkoS77 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Why should you excuse what he did though? I never discussed this as being rape. But in what world is okay to do what he did? I don't care if he backed off when confronted. What he did was wrong. And that shouldn't be defended.

You most certainly should care that he backed off if, as a male, you are concerned with men's rights. What he did was wrong, I stated that more than once, and am getting tired of repeating myself. It wasn't rape as many are painting it as. It just wasn't, and saying it doesn't make it so, nor does me saying it wasn't make me automatically excuse his behavior. Is there any way to argue what I am without being viewed an apologist for what Malka did? If so, how would you frame it?

My position would change if her story did. If she said he tried to force himself on her, then I'd be a bit more lenient on accusations of rape considering this guy's past (grabbing a woman's ass at a Paris party as an act of "dominance") and his totalitarian behavior as an admin on GAF, the "revenge porn" incident. But by her own words, I repeat, BY HER OWN WORDS, he backed off. You think that doesn't matter, I believe it matters a hell of a lot in determining sexual assault to the degree it's being tossed around, and I argue that from the perspective of a man who fears in the future of being accused of such a horrific claim despite the woman testifying in my favor. That fact should give you more than just a little pause. Are people completely off their fucking rocker to even humor the notion that what Malka did constituted rape? Do they hold no conceptualization as to the distinction of a man acting the idiot getting into a shower naked behind someone on mistaken presumption, and a man penetrating a woman who's screaming, crying, begging, and pleading to stop who is going to be psychologically scarred for the rest of her life? There appears to me to be a complete lack of understanding of the gravity of these actions in comparison to one another. Getting into the shower naked behind a woman and getting rejected isn't even remotely comparable to raping her, and I consider those who even come close to conflating such actions to be bigger scum than the person that they are accusing predicated on such grounds.

Rape is claimed, not by you I understand, but by far too many people that I've seen across the web, with all the shit that comes along with it even in light of the woman absolving him of that act. That is the core of my problem.

Okay but let's not go into the realm of what other's have said. As for the first part of your comment if you read the rest of mine you will see that I don't condone his behavior AT ALL.

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@N30F3N1X:Wow, what a meltdown.

However, I am happy that you have found a way to peacefully transcend into a higher plane of understanding and existence so that you don't have to worry about the plight of minorities and those less well off than you. Although considering you got really upset by it, maybe you aren't as detached as you try to convince yourself to be.

@oliver8114: You're not saying anything I disagree with (although not entirely sure what the heck 'modern Feminism' is, or at least what you think or heard what it is).

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#356  Edited By N30F3N1X
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@Willy105 said:

lol look someone pwned my baseless ideological talking points with facts, better respond to claims he never made and call him names and say that his argument is emotional without actually addressing anything he said, that'll show him who the smart guy is here

I'm sure the minorities are real proud of you treating them like they're disabled. Way to go leftie, way to go.

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#357 Willy105
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@N30F3N1X said:
@Willy105 said:

lol look someone pwned my baseless ideological talking points with facts, better respond to claims he never made and call him names and say that his argument is emotional without actually addressing anything he said, that'll show him who the smart guy is here

I'm sure the minorities are real proud of you treating them like they're disabled. Way to go leftie, way to go.

You rewrote my post so that you had something different to respond to? That's messed up.