Tom Clancy - anyone here read his books?

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#1 Posted by slamminjammin69 (1599 posts) -

Especially the newer novels such as Dead or Alive and Locked on which involve Jack Ryan and Jack Ryan Junior and the two guys from Rainbow Six.

I just bought the paperback novel of Tom Clancy's Dead or Alive from a small Shopko store earlier today. Just wondering if the two books that involve Jack Ryan Jr are good or whatever?

Last time I read a Jack Ryan novel was teh boring Red Rabbit novel which was long and boring like the Bear and the Dragon novel years ago

#2 Posted by SaudiFury (8707 posts) -

i've read Dead or Alive. it was allright. I have not read Locked On yet.

my favorites from him are The Bear and the Dragon, and Red Storm Rising.

which basicaly are these epic scale wars brewing, Bear and Dragon being Russia vs China, and Red Storm Rising being the Cold War has now gone hot. Both are long stories yes.

I remember having to skim read through the submarine battles in Red Storm Rising, because he was going into such depth (pun intended :P) and detail of how subs fight each other - of which i have no knowledge or understanding of. I just skimmed that bit to figure out who was winning or what was going IN the subs.

I used to read a lot of his work, including his series Power Play, but i stopped after a while because it became very routine, you could almost see the twist coming a mile away.

That said I am tempted to re-read Bear and Dragon, Red Storm Rising, and Politika, I remember really enjoying those books.

ironically it was his book Politika (which i don't think he even wrote) that got me into reading fiction as a teenager. Before that it was just non-fiction or religous texts, love of want to read fiction was kinda beaten out of me from school where you read stuff you really don't give a $hit about.

#3 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -
The last TC book I read was one that was written by him, Teeth of the Tiger. I haven't bought any book with his name on it, nor any game with his name on it in a long time and I doubt I ever will unless it is actually him writing the book or Ubisoft changes their game design and reverts back to what the games once were.
#4 Posted by Cloud_Insurance (3279 posts) -

Jack Ryan has been in all of his main line of books. He has a guest writer that works with him now on the Ryan novels who likely does the majority of the work. The novels are nowhere near where they once were, but his latest - Threat Vector - was actually pretty good.

If you want to get into his books I would start at the beginning because his major characters are in every book, so you don't pick up on everything unless you start with The Hunt for Red October. All of the Ryan novels that have been turned into movies are worth reading. I would definitely read The Hunt for Red October and Without Remorse (which is being made into a movie).

#5 Posted by slamminjammin69 (1599 posts) -

Bear and the Dragon I just couldn't stand a few years ago. It was too long and boring. Too much political preacyhness that was going on involving the Russians and China.

The only old books of Tom Clancy that I enjoyed were Patriot Fames and the novel where Jack Ryan became President for the first time. Executive Power 10-15 years ago or whatever.

NetForce the first book of the NetForce series I read and I even saw the tv movie of it when it came on NBC in the mid late 1990s

#6 Posted by solidruss (23728 posts) -

It's on my priority list to get his books, I've heard nothing but great reviews on them!

#7 Posted by airshocker (29359 posts) -

I've read most of them. Without Remorse and Rainbow Six being my top two. His whole series focusing on a younger Jack Ryan and his cousins are really quite good as well.

#8 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

It's on my priority list to get his books, I've heard nothing but great reviews on them!

solidruss
They are good. You have to remember to read them in the order he wrote them as a timeline emerges (though in a couple of cases, it does deviate) as to what is going on and will happen. Stop reading after Teeth of the Tiger as after that, they are no longer written by Clancy.
#9 Posted by solidruss (23728 posts) -

[QUOTE="solidruss"]

It's on my priority list to get his books, I've heard nothing but great reviews on them!

WhiteKnight77

They are good. You have to remember to read them in the order he wrote them as a timeline emerges (though in a couple of cases, it does deviate) as to what is going on and will happen.

That's what friends have told me, can't wait!

#10 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

I've read most of them. Without Remorse and Rainbow Six being my top two. His whole series focusing on a younger Jack Ryan and his cousins are really quite good as well.

airshocker
Yeah, those two books are my favorites as well.
#11 Posted by Legend002 (7087 posts) -

I read the books and it was okay.

#12 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -

Nah, I'm a bit of a snob when it comes to literature. I've never really seen any value in those kind of books.

#13 Posted by Cloud_Insurance (3279 posts) -

Nah, I'm a bit of a snob when it comes to literature. I've never really seen any value in those kind of books.

jim_shorts

They are entertaining as fictious thrillers and informative from a technical standpoint.

#14 Posted by DrKillByDeath84 (376 posts) -

Last Clancy book I read was Executive Orders, Red Storm Rising is one of my all time favorite books.

#15 Posted by Sweetbackhair (1926 posts) -
I only read Rainbow Six and it was a good book but it dragged a lot though.
#16 Posted by slamminjammin69 (1599 posts) -

The only novels by Tom Clancy that I really do like are

NetForce 1

OpCenter 1

Patriot Games

Executive Orders

Red Rabbit was ok but it felt like a remake of Sum of All Fears except we had to deal with some pope that wanted to quit

As for the Jack Ryan Jr novels Dead or Alive and Locked On Im getting introduced to the Ryan family all over agaiin even though Jack Jr is all grown up while good old Jack Ryan Sr is president again or whatever.

Rainbow Six the first novel I kinda liked. Are John Clark and Ding's roles in the Jack Ryan novels are they short or do they get involved in some good action scenes?

#17 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

The only novels by Tom Clancy that I really do like are

NetForce 1

OpCenter 1

Patriot Games

Executive Orders

Red Rabbit was ok but it felt like a remake of Sum of All Fears except we had to deal with some pope that wanted to quit

As for the Jack Ryan Jr novels Dead or Alive and Locked On Im getting introduced to the Ryan family all over agaiin even though Jack Jr is all grown up while good old Jack Ryan Sr is president again or whatever.

Rainbow Six the first novel I kinda liked. Are John Clark and Ding's roles in the Jack Ryan novels are they short or do they get involved in some good action scenes?

slamminjammin69
This is why it is imperative to read the books in order: [spoiler] Without Remorse is all John Clark and how he joined the CIA. Clear and Present Danger is where Clark hired Ding and where Clark, Ding and Ryan all meet for the first time. While Without Remorse goes back in time compared to the other Jack Ryan books, it is an important book in how Clark came into being and his background. [/spoiler] John Clark's and Jack Ryan's paths cross many times without them meeting until a certain book (see spoiler). Both Ding and Clark play large parts in other books besides that or Rainbow Six, but come after R6.
#18 Posted by dave123321 (33979 posts) -

Nah, I'm a bit of a snob when it comes to literature. I've never really seen any value in those kind of books.

jim_shorts
What are some books that you enjoy?
#19 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -
[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

Nah, I'm a bit of a snob when it comes to literature. I've never really seen any value in those kind of books.

dave123321
What are some books that you enjoy?

I'm a fan of Hemingway, Thomas Hardy, George Orwell, people like that.
#20 Posted by Bikouchu35 (7384 posts) -

I read the two splinter cell books back in HS which was alright.

#21 Posted by Nuck81 (5846 posts) -
Read them all up to Teeth and the Tiger. Haven't read the newer ones. The Best by far is Without Remorse
#22 Posted by Nuck81 (5846 posts) -
[QUOTE="dave123321"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

Nah, I'm a bit of a snob when it comes to literature. I've never really seen any value in those kind of books.

jim_shorts
What are some books that you enjoy?

I'm a fan of Hemingway, Thomas Hardy, George Orwell, people like that.

You said you're a literary snob and then you mentioned George Orwell? :confused:
#23 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12018 posts) -

I read the two splinter cell books back in HS which was alright.

Bikouchu35
Those were not written by Clancy though.
#24 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -
[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="dave123321"] What are some books that you enjoy?

I'm a fan of Hemingway, Thomas Hardy, George Orwell, people like that.

You said you're a literary snob and then you mentioned George Orwell? :confused:

Just because he happens to be required high school reading doesn't mean he isn't a fantastic writer.
#25 Posted by Nuck81 (5846 posts) -
[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"] I'm a fan of Hemingway, Thomas Hardy, George Orwell, people like that.

You said you're a literary snob and then you mentioned George Orwell? :confused:

Just because he happens to be required high school reading doesn't mean he isn't a fantastic writer.

I don't disagree. But he is typically looked down upon by true literary snobs.
#26 Posted by jim_shorts (7320 posts) -
[QUOTE="Nuck81"] I don't disagree. But he is typically looked down upon by true literary snobs.

Honestly I'd just chalk that up to typical meta contrarianism bullcrap.
#27 Posted by Jackc8 (8500 posts) -

I've read most of his older stuff. Red Storm Rising and Cardinal of the Kremlin are my favorites. I think I started getting a bit tired of him around The Sum of all fears - he could really use an editor.