To fellow Canadians. Your internet is going to **** more then it usually does.

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#1 deactivated-5e376fa88bd45
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http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110128/backlash-grows-over-internet-billing-decision-110128/

To further elaborate i'll have George snuffleupagus explain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rUsRCyS6PU&feature=player_embedded

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#2 paradigm68
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wow that's terrible if it does actually affect enough people.
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#3 HaloReachGOTY
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ya man i went over the last two months. i hate that ****. i signed the petition.

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#4 metallica_fan42
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Yup, that's just stupid.
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#5 flipin_jackass
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Yup, I hope it doesn't go through.
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#6 deactivated-5e9357e99ffb8
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I have a cap of 60GB a month and apparently my family uses 2 gb on average a day. So im just under the cap every month. Its brutal. I liked unlimited...

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#7 F1_2004
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I've got it made in Vancouver. Use a small internet provider that charges me pennies for the first 10gb, and then very cheap prices for every gb over that. Even during a month of heavy downloading it ends up far cheaper than what the bs large companies are charging, and the speed is -literally- ten times faster. And all of this is being orchestrated over the networks of the big companies :D This to me is okay. What I'm worried about is that the companies won't lower the base price, but rather keep it the same and just lower the cap and charge you even more for going over. This is a problem, not so much because it's pay-for-use, but because your internet just got a lot more expensive.
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[QUOTE="F1_2004"]I've got it made in Vancouver. Use a small internet provider that charges me pennies for the first 10gb, and then very cheap prices for every gb over that. Even during a month of heavy downloading it ends up far cheaper than what the bs large companies are charging, and the speed is -literally- ten times faster. And all of this is being orchestrated over the networks of the big companies :D This to me is okay. What I'm worried about is that the companies won't lower the base price, but rather keep it the same and just lower the cap and charge you even more for going over. This is a problem, not so much because it's pay-for-use, but because your internet just got a lot more expensive.

What if they up the price for each GB? Either way this is total crap, I hope this doesn't pass.
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[QUOTE="F1_2004"]I've got it made in Vancouver. Use a small internet provider that charges me pennies for the first 10gb, and then very cheap prices for every gb over that. Even during a month of heavy downloading it ends up far cheaper than what the bs large companies are charging, and the speed is -literally- ten times faster. And all of this is being orchestrated over the networks of the big companies :D This to me is okay. What I'm worried about is that the companies won't lower the base price, but rather keep it the same and just lower the cap and charge you even more for going over. This is a problem, not so much because it's pay-for-use, but because your internet just got a lot more expensive.the_ChEeSe_mAn2
What if they up the price for each GB? Either way this is total crap, I hope this doesn't pass.

Yes that would be bad, but that's not really changing the way they're billing, that's just a straight-up ripoff.

The issue, as I understand it, is that the government forced the big providers to allow small providers to use their networks in exchange for paying a set "rent" per month. This was done to prevent a monopoly, but what it basically did was allow small companies to use the multi-million dollar networks of the big companies and skim its customers by offering unlimited downloading at the expense of the big networks.

Once again, I'd be okay if modest internet use ends up costing you the same amount as it currently does, because I'm aware of a small minority of people that's just sucking up a big part of the internet bandwidth available. What I'm almost certain will happen, is that everyone will end up paying the same base price they currently do, and just get charged ridiculous fees for unavoidably going over the low cap.

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#10 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"][QUOTE="F1_2004"]I've got it made in Vancouver. Use a small internet provider that charges me pennies for the first 10gb, and then very cheap prices for every gb over that. Even during a month of heavy downloading it ends up far cheaper than what the bs large companies are charging, and the speed is -literally- ten times faster. And all of this is being orchestrated over the networks of the big companies :D This to me is okay. What I'm worried about is that the companies won't lower the base price, but rather keep it the same and just lower the cap and charge you even more for going over. This is a problem, not so much because it's pay-for-use, but because your internet just got a lot more expensive.

What if they up the price for each GB? Either way this is total crap, I hope this doesn't pass.

Yes that would be bad, but that's not really changing the way they're billing, that's just a straight-up ripoff.

Internet/phone/cable was always a ripoff :P
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#11 F1_2004
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There's a bunch of petitions online that I encourage people to sign, and even mail your local MP with concerns. People in Canada really need to stand up for their rights more often, we always take **** far too easily.
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I've got it made in Vancouver. Use a small internet provider that charges me pennies for the first 10gb, and then very cheap prices for every gb over that. Even during a month of heavy downloading it ends up far cheaper than what the bs large companies are charging, and the speed is -literally- ten times faster. And all of this is being orchestrated over the networks of the big companies :D This to me is okay. What I'm worried about is that the companies won't lower the base price, but rather keep it the same and just lower the cap and charge you even more for going over. This is a problem, not so much because it's pay-for-use, but because your internet just got a lot more expensive.F1_2004

Which ISP is that?

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#13 mattbbpl
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Guys, this makes perfect sense. What doesn't make sense is charging a flat fee for unlimited access to a finite resource. I mean, there are only so many ones and zeros - when they're gone, they're gone!
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Guys, this makes perfect sense. What doesn't make sense is charging a flat fee for unlimited access to a finite resource. I mean, there are only so many ones and zeros - when they're gone, they're gone!mattbbpl

I've never been charged by use for watching television, which usus the same network as the internet for many isps.

As it stands the move it meter is an attempt to prevent the tv segments of their business from dieing, by making the internet incredibly expensive.

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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Guys, this makes perfect sense. What doesn't make sense is charging a flat fee for unlimited access to a finite resource. I mean, there are only so many ones and zeros - when they're gone, they're gone!htekemerald

I've never been charged by use for watching television, which usus the same network as the internet for many isps.

As it stands the move it meter is an attempt to prevent the tv segments of their business from dieing, by making the internet incredibly expensive.

My comment was sarcasm.
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it only really affects unlimited users. i used to be on such network and they were horrible. Bell and Videotron's banthwith caps are really low for what you pay for. Providers should provide more flexible plans. Usualy to get a bigger bandwith cap you need to buy a faster speed. the only reason high bandwith plans are high is because your paying for an increased speed.

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#17 XilePrincess
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Ugh I used to be on a small ISP that charged us out the ass if we went even a little over our allotted time or space every month (back in the dialup days) and then a year or two ago, started charging us for watching youtube videos. Watching. YOUTUBE. Videos. :/ Needless to say we switched after that, that's bull. This is just not fair.
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#18 Mr_Cumberdale
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That's a great idea. I'm sick of spending $110 for a 5gb and a 12gb monthly cap.
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[QUOTE="F1_2004"]I've got it made in Vancouver. Use a small internet provider that charges me pennies for the first 10gb, and then very cheap prices for every gb over that. Even during a month of heavy downloading it ends up far cheaper than what the bs large companies are charging, and the speed is -literally- ten times faster. And all of this is being orchestrated over the networks of the big companies :D This to me is okay. What I'm worried about is that the companies won't lower the base price, but rather keep it the same and just lower the cap and charge you even more for going over. This is a problem, not so much because it's pay-for-use, but because your internet just got a lot more expensive.thelastguy

Which ISP is that?

Urban Networks. $10 for 10GB, and 25cents per GB after that. Speed is pretty crazy, especially on off-peak hours.

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That's a great idea. I'm sick of spending $110 for a 5gb and a 12gb monthly cap. Mr_Cumberdale

This isn't about cellphone plans

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#21 ContraQueen
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What? This is a terrible idea!

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#22 KungfuKitten
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I don't think there are 'limited users' in my country. So i was quite shocked. But seeing as apparently hardly anyone in canada is an unlimited user, just go on with your lives like nothing is happening. Don't you see, as long as it doesn't hit you, it doesn't matter. Who cares whether it's wrong or right, yes?

Charging for bandwith used or whatever, could be a more fair system than most... BUT not if you charge a 100 to 400 fold the cost! And apparently that is what this is all about.

People in canada should try find their own ways of accessing internet without an ISP before they can do this.

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#23 bluezy
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The thing that also sucks is that independent companies like TekSavvy, who use Bell's DSL lines, will have to adhere to a cap as well. Companies like them and Acanac (at least in Windsor) offer some damned good unlimited plans.
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#24 halokillerz
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no i was about to switch to teksavvy! but for its cable

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#25 Ace6301
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Man the CRTC has been stupider than they usually are recently. Impressive feat really.
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Death to the CRTC!!!

http://dissolvethecrtc.ca/node/21

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#27 EVOLV3
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Rogers already has bandwidth caps. They've been in place for years. This would basically only affect smaller ISP's who offer unlimited.

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#28 halokillerz
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has any price changes been announced yet?

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#29 F1_2004
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has any price changes been announced yet?

halokillerz

People are already being hit with the price changes on their bills. It's horse ****. Time to loot the capital ala Egypt. Americans feel free to partake, god knows we owe you for that time we torched the White House.

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#30 Lockedge
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A few months back my internet speed was increased from 10mbps to 15mbps, but my U/D cap was lowered from 95GB to 80. I live in Ottawa, so there really aren't any decent competitors to Rogers. Teksavvy have been slowly bringing cable(loaned off rogers) into niche areas of the city, but it's only in a few neighbourhoods. It's a pile of crap, really.
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#31 YoshiYogurt
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lol at george snuffleupagus Anyway, that's a terrible idea. I like to play lots of online games and stream videos music and movies.
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#32 F1_2004
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Just as i thought, prices aren't going down. The networks are charging the same freaking price, but bumping the cap down by a huge amount. So basically they just jacked up their profits by a ton, just like that, without giving us anything in exchange.
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#33 Lockedge
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Just as i thought, prices aren't going down. The networks are charging the same freaking price, but bumping the cap down by a huge amount. So basically they just jacked up their profits by a ton, just like that, without giving us anything in exchange. F1_2004
I have Bell to thank for me switching to cable internet three years back. Their DSL was crap, their packages sucked, and when cable was made available, I jumped on it quick. I can only hope Rogers won't slash their packages even more than they already have. Funny thing is, they're such a rich company with such great profit margins, they could make a great PR move and pull in disgruntled Bell customers by the horde without taking too large of a hit. They probably won't though. :P
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#34 F1_2004
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I have Bell to thank for me switching to cable internet three years back. Their DSL was crap, their packages sucked, and when cable was made available, I jumped on it quick.
I can only hope Rogers won't slash their packages even more than they already have. Funny thing is, they're such a rich company with such great profit margins, they could make a great PR move and pull in disgruntled Bell customers by the horde without taking too large of a hit. They probably won't though. Lockedge

Some hope remaining, looks like all those online petitions made it to the right people:

"OTTAWA-The Harper government strongly hinted Tuesday Ottawa will reverse a CRTC ruling significantly driving up the cost of using the Internet that has consumers and businesses fuming."

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/931775--ottawa-to-review-gouging-internet-charges