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That would entail getting rid of poverty and that would entail socialism, and as thesmartidiot has reminded us, socialists are scum.quiglythegreatWrong, try again.
Think about it along with the death sentencecamreeno360He we go again...
what's the point?camreeno360To kill people
So we put people into jail as punishment for them doing something we don't likecamreeno360Is something wrong with that?
But why not stop the bad influences in the first place that made the person do the bad thing?camreeno360Because that's a terrible standard to live by. "Kill him so he won't kill". Well, that means "Kill him so he won't Rape". Correct? Well, what about Robbers, Molesters and people who speed on the highway. According to that standard...there's only one way to stop people from doing bad things. Killing them.
Therefore none of the bad would be able to develop.camreeno360Utopian societies are impossible, and trying to develop one is extrememly inane and can be destructive (But nice use of transitions)
No one ever thinks of that. camreeno360You haven't been here long, have you?
And why are people shoved into a can of hell for a given amount of time instead of going through rehabilitation.camreeno360I agree with you there. A larger number of murderers than we think are mentally ill. Schizophrenia is much more common then we think among murderers. And Schizophrenia (like many other mental illnesses) are treatable, and treatment shows incredible results (I've witnessed it myself)
Whos to say that rehabilitation will be 100% successful? So some guy kills somone. He is sent to rehab for, lets say, a year. He comes out of rehab and goes and kills someone again. Not saying that jail will change his psyche and stop him from killing again but at least he will be in there for a longer time and actually contribute to society by making license plates or wahtever.Custodian405That's why people aren't released after one year of rehibilitation, it can take many, and if somebody isn't capable of being rehibilitated, they would obviously be removed from socioty.
[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]That would entail getting rid of poverty and that would entail socialism, and as thesmartidiot has reminded us, socialists are scum.FinneyCalcWrong, try again. Not really, why do people commit crime, either because they are crazy (serial killers, the hannibal lectors of society etc.), because they have a drug problem, or to get money which ties in with the drug problem thing. They rob, steal, deal drugs, boost cars, break into homes, so they can get money. By eliminating poverty you would get rid of a huge percentage of crime. Eliminating poverty is impossible though.
[QUOTE="FinneyCalc"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]That would entail getting rid of poverty and that would entail socialism, and as thesmartidiot has reminded us, socialists are scum.Custodian405Wrong, try again. Not really, why do people commit crime, either because they are crazy (serial killers, the hannibal lectors of society etc.), because they have a drug problem, or to get money which ties in with the drug problem thing. They rob, steal, deal drugs, boost cars, break into homes, so they can get money. By eliminating poverty you would get rid of a huge percentage of crime. Eliminating poverty is impossible though.I was saying wrong to his "socialists are scum" comment.
[QUOTE="Custodian405"]Whos to say that rehabilitation will be 100% successful? So some guy kills somone. He is sent to rehab for, lets say, a year. He comes out of rehab and goes and kills someone again. Not saying that jail will change his psyche and stop him from killing again but at least he will be in there for a longer time and actually contribute to society by making license plates or wahtever.yoshi-lnexThat's why people aren't released after one year of rehibilitation, it can take many, and if somebody isn't capable of being rehibilitated, they would obviously be removed from socioty. So how do we know that someone is not capable of rehibilitation? When they repeat their offence and harm more people again?
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Custodian405"]Whos to say that rehabilitation will be 100% successful? So some guy kills somone. He is sent to rehab for, lets say, a year. He comes out of rehab and goes and kills someone again. Not saying that jail will change his psyche and stop him from killing again but at least he will be in there for a longer time and actually contribute to society by making license plates or wahtever.Custodian405That's why people aren't released after one year of rehibilitation, it can take many, and if somebody isn't capable of being rehibilitated, they would obviously be removed from socioty. So how do we know that someone is not capable of rehibilitation? When they repeat their offence and harm more people again? You are aware that there is a field of science called psychology?
[QUOTE="Custodian405"]Whos to say that rehabilitation will be 100% successful? So some guy kills somone. He is sent to rehab for, lets say, a year. He comes out of rehab and goes and kills someone again. Not saying that jail will change his psyche and stop him from killing again but at least he will be in there for a longer time and actually contribute to society by making license plates or wahtever.yoshi-lnexThat's why people aren't released after one year of rehibilitation, it can take many, and if somebody isn't capable of being rehibilitated, they would obviously be removed from socioty. VERY true. Jim Gordon, who was a band member with Eric Clapton was a Schizophrenic. He did have hallucinations. He kiled his mother in a Psychotic episode during the 80s. He is still surrently in a Rehab center. It also could have been a Mental Institution.
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Custodian405"]Whos to say that rehabilitation will be 100% successful? So some guy kills somone. He is sent to rehab for, lets say, a year. He comes out of rehab and goes and kills someone again. Not saying that jail will change his psyche and stop him from killing again but at least he will be in there for a longer time and actually contribute to society by making license plates or wahtever.Custodian405That's why people aren't released after one year of rehibilitation, it can take many, and if somebody isn't capable of being rehibilitated, they would obviously be removed from socioty. So how do we know that someone is not capable of rehibilitation? When they repeat their offence and harm more people again? they dont really know what they are talking about.... communism was a good idea too once
[QUOTE="FinneyCalc"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]That would entail getting rid of poverty and that would entail socialism, and as thesmartidiot has reminded us, socialists are scum.Custodian405Wrong, try again. Not really, why do people commit crime, either because they are crazy (serial killers, the hannibal lectors of society etc.), because they have a drug problem, or to get money which ties in with the drug problem thing. They rob, steal, deal drugs, boost cars, break into homes, so they can get money. By eliminating poverty you would get rid of a huge percentage of crime. Eliminating poverty is impossible though. People commit crime becouse there is more oppertunity in making money illegally than legally, and this means that a serious reorganization of our law and social system is need to fix this, but eliminating most of poverty is possible, in socialist sweden they don't have poor areas, and the crime is among the lowest in the world.
[QUOTE="FinneyCalc"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]That would entail getting rid of poverty and that would entail socialism, and as thesmartidiot has reminded us, socialists are scum.Custodian405Wrong, try again. Not really, why do people commit crime, either because they are crazy (serial killers, the hannibal lectors of society etc.), because they have a drug problem, or to get money which ties in with the drug problem thing. They rob, steal, deal drugs, boost cars, break into homes, so they can get money. By eliminating poverty you would get rid of a huge percentage of crime. Eliminating poverty is impossible though. You are wrong in every aspect of what you are talking about. First of all getting rid of poverty would not help anything. There is a little thing called greed and greedy people with lots of money don't stop there. They always want more and if they have criminal minds they will rob, steal, or kill to get MORE money. Second of all rehabilitation doesn't always work when you are forced into it. Rehab usually only works when you gain the will power to decide to do it for yourself.
i think the death sentence should be used more often...cuz keeping people is jail for live sentences is just wasting our money and it will help with overpopulationChuman231It costs more money to execute somebody than to keep them in jail for life, and all major countrys have negetive population growths.....
[QUOTE="Chuman231"]i think the death sentence should be used more often...cuz keeping people is jail for live sentences is just wasting our money and it will help with overpopulationyoshi-lnexIt costs more money to execute somebody than to keep them in jail for life, and all major countrys have negetive population growths..... then we should be more efficcient with executions... and either way..earth is slowly overpopulating
[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Chuman231"]i think the death sentence should be used more often...cuz keeping people is jail for live sentences is just wasting our money and it will help with overpopulationChuman231It costs more money to execute somebody than to keep them in jail for life, and all major countrys have negetive population growths..... then we should be more efficcient with executions... and either way..earth is slowly overpopulating Trials that deal with the death penalty actually take much longer than trials for life sentences.
and like I said, all major countrys have negative population growths, in a few years we will be seeing a negative population growth.
[QUOTE="Custodian405"]Whos to say that rehabilitation will be 100% successful? So some guy kills somone. He is sent to rehab for, lets say, a year. He comes out of rehab and goes and kills someone again. Not saying that jail will change his psyche and stop him from killing again but at least he will be in there for a longer time and actually contribute to society by making license plates or wahtever.yoshi-lnexThat's why people aren't released after one year of rehibilitation, it can take many, and if somebody isn't capable of being rehibilitated, they would obviously be removed from socioty. i was going to say that
Think about it along with the death sentence, what's the point? So we put people into jail as punishment for them doing something we don't like. But why not stop the bad influences in the first place that made the person do the bad thing? Therefore none of the bad would be able to develop. No one ever thinks of that. And why are people shoved into a can of hell for a given amount of time instead of going through rehabilitation. All it's doing is taking them out of the world when they'll start up again. Just a quick topic so not expecting a lot.camreeno360Thats because the powers that be, the dominant culture, do not want to fix the source of the problems because it means fixing society. Fixing society would then mean getting rid of poverty by actually investing more money in schools and offering free college to everyone (like in Sweden).It would also make us question why the United States leads all other nations in gun related deaths by a huge margin even though one would think the country with the most guns in the world would be the safest. In the end it would lead to a total reform of the medical system which is a corrupt by all means, causing people to spend large amounts of money on drugs and treatments which will then go for more primary care but never preventive care (there's no money in preventive care!). Finally it would all stem down to the capitalistic structure that this countries economy is based upon, and that it really isn't an ideal system for supporting 300+ million people in a country which is run by corporations. There are people who think like this, the problem is there isn't many that do. Thats why I'm in college and therefore have a mission to be educated and refuse to be just a good working mindless widget that the dominant agenda wants us all to be.
Yes there is a point to jail. You are suggesting we throw away individual responsibility. It's not the person who mugs someone at gunpoint, it's poverty right? Wrong; people make choices and have a choice. Rich people commit murder too. Education is great, but at some point we humans need to take responsibility for what we do to others.
A) You're assuming human nature is always good. Look at all the wars in history; human nature is good and bad.
B) Jail keeps a phiscally dangerous person from being able to hurt people (while that person is in jail)
C) Jail is punishment. Have you ever been mugged or beaten? I doubt that you have, because then you would understand that justice is also about punishment. Rehab is not justice for someone who intentionally murders someone. There are war criminals who starved thousands to death, and it's justice for the memory of the suffering that the war criminal is punished.
D) Jail deters crime. People are motivated by fear more than by being rewarded (sad but true). Jail and punishment are there to deter criminal activity too. Many people don't commit crimes soley because of their fear of going to jail -think of the good that comes from that.Â
It's sad that we have jails, but their necessity is the reality of human nature.
[QUOTE="camreeno360"]Think about it along with the death sentenceCarlos_SantanaHe we go again...
what's the point?camreeno360To kill people
So we put people into jail as punishment for them doing something we don't likecamreeno360Is something wrong with that?
But why not stop the bad influences in the first place that made the person do the bad thing?camreeno360Because that's a terrible standard to live by. "Kill him so he won't kill". Well, that means "Kill him so he won't Rape". Correct? Well, what about Robbers, Molesters and people who speed on the highway. According to that standard...there's only one way to stop people from doing bad things. Killing them.
Therefore none of the bad would be able to develop.camreeno360Utopian societies are impossible, and trying to develop one is extrememly inane and can be destructive (But nice use of transitions)
No one ever thinks of that. camreeno360You haven't been here long, have you?
And why are people shoved into a can of hell for a given amount of time instead of going through rehabilitation.camreeno360I agree with you there. A larger number of murderers than we think are mentally ill. Schizophrenia is much more common then we think among murderers. And Schizophrenia (like many other mental illnesses) are treatable, and treatment shows incredible results (I've witnessed it myself) schizophrenia = best mental illness ever.
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