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#1 Stanley09
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Hey guys, I've noticed recently there has been a lot of topics about weight lifting and fitness advice. I thought it would be cool if we could have one big thread to talk about our weight lifting and fitness goals and such. Also any questions on anything and everything fitness related can be asked here. Some resources: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224 - good info on a beginner routine(or anyone looking to gain strength for that matter) bodybuilding.com - tons of resources, helpful people, etc. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/pumping-iron/ - The classic movie, Pumping Iron. It follows Arnold and a few other bodybuilders in the early 70's on the quest for Mr. Olympia, where Arnold ends up winning for the sixth time Some motivation, before and after 4-5 years of training, of the one and only...:   feel free to share your stats as well. As for me, Im 16.5 years old, 5'11-6'0, 170lbs bench: max around 145lb probably squat:max around 200lb or so deadlift: max around 220lb or so Im doing the routine i posted above with a few added exercises lettuce begin!
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#2 Darthkaiser
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Wow my ISP is liberty technologies Corp too!!
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#3 Niks-Greed
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just out of curiosity, is that the same person lol?

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#4 no_more_fayth
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You looked better before you ate a guido. :o

I'm joking.

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#5 Stanley09
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just out of curiosity, is that the same person lol?

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Ya, before and after 4-5 years of hard work. Hes like 21-22 now, first pic was at 16-17
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#6 Stanley09
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You looked better before you ate a guido. :o

I'm joking.

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that aint even me brah
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#7 no_more_fayth
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[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

You looked better before you ate a guido. :o

I'm joking.

Stanley09

that aint even me brah

I was kidding. :)

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#8 dodgerblue13
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What exactly is the point of this thread? I'm all for discussing working out, but I don't get it.
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#9 xbox360isgr8t
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i wonder what kind of roid effects this guy has felt whomever it is.
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#10 hockey73
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I like the body building forums, I've gotten a ton of great advice and tips there.
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#11 UCF_Knight
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Originally I was going to congratulate the TC on his progress. Then I realized that wasn't him.. :P
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#12 Alacoque72
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Do you just have to be sore the next day to make your muscles grow? With or without weights?

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#13 rawsavon
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Do you just have to be sore the next day to make your muscles grow? With or without weights?

Alacoque72
Correlation not causation
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#15 tratyu92
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Please dont corrupt OT with zyzz. Plz.
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#16 Alacoque72
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[QUOTE="Alacoque72"]

Do you just have to be sore the next day to make your muscles grow? With or without weights?

rawsavon

Correlation not causation

What does that mean?

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#17 raiden509
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Please dont corrupt OT with zyzz. Plz.tratyu92
this
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#18 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Alacoque72"]

Do you just have to be sore the next day to make your muscles grow? With or without weights?

Alacoque72

Correlation not causation

What does that mean?

Being sore =/= muscle growth. Being sore goes along with muscle growth It is not the cause, but it is often (though not always) a side effect ...thus correlation, not causation
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#19 entropyecho
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This thread reminds me of EVOEVOLUTION. :(

A moment of silence.

How routine do I need to lose 30 lbs as safely as possible? Weight loss is the priority and then definition. Advice?

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#20 Alacoque72
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[QUOTE="Alacoque72"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Correlation not causationrawsavon

What does that mean?

Being sore =/= muscle growth. Being sore goes along with muscle growth It is not the cause, but it is often (though not always) a side effect ...thus correlation, not causation

So if my pecs are sore for 2 or 3 days after I do pushups are they going to grow? Because people say pushups are more for endurance.

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#21 cyborg100000
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I'm guessing the increase of weight lifting threads = new years resolutions. Well good luck on your quest for fitness guys, my quest lies in the world..............

of warcraft. Don't tell me you didn't see that coming.

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#22 rawsavon
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This thread reminds me of EVOEVOLUTION. :(

A moment of silence.

How routine do I need to lose 30 lbs as safely as possible? Weight loss is the priority and then definition. Advice?

entropyecho
Interval training for your cardio + body weight exercises (pushups, pullups, chinups, dips, lunges, free squats, etc) =minimal chance of injury
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#23 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Alacoque72"]

What does that mean?

Alacoque72

Being sore =/= muscle growth. Being sore goes along with muscle growth It is not the cause, but it is often (though not always) a side effect ...thus correlation, not causation

So if my pecs are sore for 2 or 3 days after I do pushups are they going to grow? Because people say pushups are more for endurance.

That is not a YES or NO question. It is all about how you lift (no matter if it is with weights or your own body) -certain ways of lifting (reps and weight) promote growth and others promote endurance...though it is not an exclusive relationship by any means
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I am in need of a good at-home cardio workout video. I don't like going to the gym and I find I can't push myself enough on the treadmill enough to get a decent enough of a run. I used to have a 45 minute video that had various kinds of excersises and such. Something similar to that.

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#25 entropyecho
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Interval training for your cardio + body weight exercises (pushups, pullups, chinups, dips, lunges, free squats, etc) =minimal chance of injuryrawsavon

I am assuming this is okay given my atrociously bad knees?

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#26 dodgerblue13
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I am in need of a good at-home cardio workout video. I don't like going to the gym and I find I can't push myself enough on the treadmill enough to get a decent enough of a run. I used to have a 45 minute video that had various kinds of excersises and such. Something similar to that.

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Try running to your iPod (or whatever you use..). Tell yourself that you'll run for 8-12 songs (could be 30-45 minutes)...depending on your ability. Just pick a number and promise yourself to run to that many songs. It'll motivate you to just power through. You can't run if you're telling yourself you can't or don't want to run. Your actual running times will vary, but it'll keep you interested and motivated. You'll be able to either increase the number of songs you run to or just neglect looking at it that way and then you can set a distance goal or something. If that doesn't work, maybe you can run on a treadmill with a TV in front of it. Anything that takes your mind off of running until you enjoy running enough to forget that you're running in the first place. It'll make sense once you get there. It's worth a shot, isn't it?
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Interval training for your cardio + body weight exercises (pushups, pullups, chinups, dips, lunges, free squats, etc) =minimal chance of injuryentropyecho

I am assuming this is okay given my atrociously bad knees?

People hear interval training and their mind thinks running...but it can be any activity really. (bike, elliptical, swim, row machine...w/e) You just go all out for a set amount of time and then relax (go slower) for a set amount of time -increasing the number of intervals and duration of them as time goes on
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#28 dodgerblue13
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[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Interval training for your cardio + body weight exercises (pushups, pullups, chinups, dips, lunges, free squats, etc) =minimal chance of injuryrawsavon

I am assuming this is okay given my atrociously bad knees?

People hear interval training and their mind thinks running...but it can be any activity really. (bike, elliptical, swim, row machine...w/e) You just go all out for a set amount of time and then relax (go slower) for a set amount of time -increasing the number of intervals and duration of them as time goes on

Yeah this is a great way to either get started or change things up once you get bored with your routine. I started running distance a few summers ago. I got bored after about three months of it and then stopped because of how unappealing it was. Intervals helped, but an exercise bike saved me. Those things are so fun.
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#29 UCF_Knight
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Do you just have to be sore the next day to make your muscles grow? With or without weights?

Alacoque72
No. Once you're in a routine you shouldn't even be sore. I workout so often I'm rarely ever sore. If I am, I likely did something I shouldn't have.
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#30 Stanley09
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Alacoque72"]

What does that mean?

Alacoque72

Being sore =/= muscle growth. Being sore goes along with muscle growth It is not the cause, but it is often (though not always) a side effect ...thus correlation, not causation

So if my pecs are sore for 2 or 3 days after I do pushups are they going to grow? Because people say pushups are more for endurance.

Pushups will definitely not help you gain mass, they are basically for endurance
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#31 Stanley09
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[QUOTE="Alacoque72"]

Do you just have to be sore the next day to make your muscles grow? With or without weights?

UCF_Knight
No. Once you're in a routine you shouldn't even be sore. I workout so often I'm rarely ever sore. If I am, I likely did something I shouldn't have.

err not always. Though you might not always be sore, if for example you maxed out on squats one day, you would likely be feeling it in your legs the next day
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#32 Stanley09
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i wonder what kind of roid effects this guy has felt whomever it is.xbox360isgr8t
Hes used cell tech, but dont assume that anyone with a desirable physique has used roids. There are plenty out there with amazing physiques who never have used roids
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#33 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="Alacoque72"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Being sore =/= muscle growth. Being sore goes along with muscle growth It is not the cause, but it is often (though not always) a side effect ...thus correlation, not causationStanley09

So if my pecs are sore for 2 or 3 days after I do pushups are they going to grow? Because people say pushups are more for endurance.

Pushups will definitely not help you gain mass, they are basically for endurance

That is 100% false. It is all how you do it. Hershel Walker (one of the best college players of all time and current MMA fighter has never lifted a weight in his life...feel free to Google his build...like a statue) All you have to do is increase the difficulty of pushup (like lifting heavier weight versus light weight) -normal pushups = lifting low to medium weight = endurance -increased difficulty (through a variety of techniques) = lifting heavy weight
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#34 Stanley09
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black superhuman genetics / 10 there is NO WAY an average person is going to put on significant mass by doing pushups
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#35 branketra
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black superhuman genetics / 10 there is NO WAY an average person is going to put on significant mass by doing pushupsStanley09
Way to single yourself out, there. -_-

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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Stanley09"]black superhuman genetics / 10 there is NO WAY an average person is going to put on significant mass by doing pushups

Way to single yourself out, there.

?
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#37 Ugalde-
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Man I really wish I weighed myself when first started going to the gym 2 months ago. I have lost so much weight I just don't know how much.
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black superhuman genetics / 10 there is NO WAY an average person is going to put on significant mass by doing pushupsStanley09

I did hear that black people tend to be genetically more prone to developing muscle in a few different places. It would require a lot of dedication either way.

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#39 Stanley09
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[QUOTE="Stanley09"]black superhuman genetics / 10 there is NO WAY an average person is going to put on significant mass by doing pushupsLeejjohno

I did hear that black people tend to be genetically more prone to developing muscle in a few different places. It would require a lot of dedication either way.

ya, definitely. Its just that you shouldnt just be doing a bunch of pushups every night and expect to turn out huge and ripped a few months later.
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[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Stanley09"]black superhuman genetics / 10 there is NO WAY an average person is going to put on significant mass by doing pushups

Way to single yourself out, there.

?

Basically, if anyone has accomplished something similar to Herschel Walker's physique without weight lifting, they have super genetics. Average people simply don't. -_-. According to you. I'm not offended or anything...
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] Way to single yourself out, there.

?

Basically, if anyone has accomplished something similar to Herschel Walker's physique without weight lifting, they have super genetics. Average people simply don't. -_-. According to you. I'm not offended or anything...

ya...thats true... I dare you to do his routine for 1 year, and assuming you have average genetics, you will most definitely get in good shape, but i would bet money you wont get huge or jacked
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[QUOTE="Stanley09"]black superhuman genetics / 10 there is NO WAY an average person is going to put on significant mass by doing pushups

Wow...that is where you are going with this...really :? All you have to do is increase the difficulty (like lifting heavier weights with lower reps). It is all about how you work out the muscles. I am curious how long you have been lifting to reach the conclusions you have ITT.
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[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="Alacoque72"]

So if my pecs are sore for 2 or 3 days after I do pushups are they going to grow? Because people say pushups are more for endurance.

rawsavon

Pushups will definitely not help you gain mass, they are basically for endurance

That is 100% false. It is all how you do it. Hershel Walker (one of the best college players of all time and current MMA fighter has never lifted a weight in his life...feel free to Google his build...like a statue) All you have to do is increase the difficulty of pushup (like lifting heavier weight versus light weight) -normal pushups = lifting low to medium weight = endurance -increased difficulty (through a variety of techniques) = lifting heavy weight

Oh god, this reminds me of when I first got my weighted vest a few months ago. I loaded up the weight on it, and gave it a go with 80 pounds...
Never again.

What type of push-up would you consider for the equivalent of heavy lifting? diamond?

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[QUOTE="Stanley09"]rawsavon
Wow...that is where you are going with this...really :? All you have to do is increase the difficulty (like lifting heavier weights with lower reps). It is all about how you work out the muscles. I am curious how long you have been lifting to reach the conclusions you have ITT.

That's what I was wondering.

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Stanley09"]black superhuman genetics / 10 there is NO WAY an average person is going to put on significant mass by doing pushups

Wow...that is where you are going with this...really :? All you have to do is increase the difficulty (like lifting heavier weights with lower reps). It is all about how you work out the muscles. I am curious how long you have been lifting to reach the conclusions you have ITT.

The funny thing is, is that its true though. Unless you have superior genetics, you wont be making gains like Walker did by just doing body weight stuff weights>>>>bodyweight pushups if pushups gave you just as good of a workout as weights, then why do so many people waste going to the gym when they can just do pushups at home?
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[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="Alacoque72"]

So if my pecs are sore for 2 or 3 days after I do pushups are they going to grow? Because people say pushups are more for endurance.

rawsavon

Pushups will definitely not help you gain mass, they are basically for endurance

That is 100% false. It is all how you do it. Hershel Walker (one of the best college players of all time and current MMA fighter has never lifted a weight in his life...feel free to Google his build...like a statue) All you have to do is increase the difficulty of pushup (like lifting heavier weight versus light weight) -normal pushups = lifting low to medium weight = endurance -increased difficulty (through a variety of techniques) = lifting heavy weight

I squeeze my arms inwards hard as I do pushups. Is that enough to gain some mass? Is there any other things like that I can do with pushups?

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Stanley09"] Pushups will definitely not help you gain mass, they are basically for endurance Baconbits2004

That is 100% false. It is all how you do it. Hershel Walker (one of the best college players of all time and current MMA fighter has never lifted a weight in his life...feel free to Google his build...like a statue) All you have to do is increase the difficulty of pushup (like lifting heavier weight versus light weight) -normal pushups = lifting low to medium weight = endurance -increased difficulty (through a variety of techniques) = lifting heavy weight

Oh god, this reminds me of when I first got my weighted vest a few months ago. I loaded up the weight on it, and gave it a go with 80 pounds...
Never again.

What type of push-up would you consider for the equivalent of heavy lifting? diamond?

Weighted vests are great for all types. If you have a partner, you can have them stack weight on your back (used to have a gf sit on my back).
Also, there are different elevations and arm widths. Not to mention ones with odd motions (like dive bombers)

But yeah, diamond is great along with one arm ones.

There were no weight machines in ancient times...yet we have the statue of David...hmmmm...just saying

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[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="Stanley09"] ?

Basically, if anyone has accomplished something similar to Herschel Walker's physique without weight lifting, they have super genetics. Average people simply don't. -_-. According to you. I'm not offended or anything...

ya...thats true... I dare you to do his routine for 1 year, and assuming you have average genetics, you will most definitely get in good shape, but i would bet money you wont get huge or jacked

I'm interested in his routine. Once I get more money, I'll give it a go. High intensity training is expensive.
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if pushups gave you just as good of a workout as weights, then why do so many people waste going to the gym when they can just do pushups at home?Stanley09
There's probably more than just physical strength as a factor when it comes to people in general working out. Some people wouldn't be caught dead in a gym. I know someone who compares gym equipment to torture machines.

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[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Stanley09"]black superhuman genetics / 10 there is NO WAY an average person is going to put on significant mass by doing pushups

Wow...that is where you are going with this...really :? All you have to do is increase the difficulty (like lifting heavier weights with lower reps). It is all about how you work out the muscles. I am curious how long you have been lifting to reach the conclusions you have ITT.

The funny thing is, is that its true though. Unless you have superior genetics, you wont be making gains like Walker did by just doing body weight stuff weights>>>>bodyweight pushups if pushups gave you just as good of a workout as weights, then why do so many people waste going to the gym when they can just do pushups at home?

1. you did not answer my question 2. most people (at the gym or out) are highly uneducated when it comes to working out. -spend a few months in the gym and you will see that 90% of people have no idea what they are doing -the ones that do do free body workouts as well So your logic is flawed.