The age of the earth-what does science say?

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#1 olle90
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Well first of all we need to understand that scientists can not prove that the earth is old or young.
You see all the dating methods used by scientists are based on some BIG assumptions, and the only way
scientists can prove the earths age is if they knew someone who was there at the beginning to record the facts.
But scientists of course dont have any such human eye witnesses they can only make assumptions based on what we see today.
 You know God must have looked down on such human efforts as people tried to understand
things without seeking him for truth and thats why God asked Job where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
in other words he asked where you there? you know while no humans were there God was !
and nothing from science can contradict this.
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nothing from religious people can contradict the scientists either.
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You know, you should stop just listening to your peers and actually investigate these things for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_earth
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radiometric dating is a tried and proven method, it has shown the earth to be about 4.6 billion years old.
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Assumptions? Go shoot yourself.
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The earth is exactly 102 years old today. Happy birthday earth!
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radiometric dating is a tried and proven method, it has shown the earth to be about 4.6 billion years old.yoshi-lnex
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Funny, the Op doesn't give us his thoughts on our comments.
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#9 olle90
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You know, you should stop just listening to your peers and actually investigate these things for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_earth-Karayan-

 

For your information I dont listen to my peers this is my OWN research ok. So please dont make assumptions. 

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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]radiometric dating is a tried and proven method, it has shown the earth to be about 4.6 billion years old.CrimzonTide

 

please radiometric dating is unbelivevably fallible !! now you are the one that should do some research!.

 

 

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[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]You know, you should stop just listening to your peers and actually investigate these things for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_eartholle90

For your information I dont listen to my peers this is my OWN research ok. So please dont make assumptions. 

So the extent of your research is finding out humans were not around at the begining of time?

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Explain radiometric dating then, as simple as you can.
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[QUOTE="CrimzonTide"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]radiometric dating is a tried and proven method, it has shown the earth to be about 4.6 billion years old.olle90

please radiometric dating is unbelivevably fallible !! now you are the one that should do some research!.

oh really now and what is so fallible about it? that it contradicts your belief?
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[QUOTE="CrimzonTide"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]radiometric dating is a tried and proven method, it has shown the earth to be about 4.6 billion years old.olle90

 

please radiometric dating is unbelivevably fallible !! now you are the one that should do some research!.

 

 

Explain. Don't go DO THE RESEARCH IM NOT TELLING YOU!@!~!@`12`12 It's just like telling me to find a unicorn in my backyard, and saying YOU'RE NOT LOOKING HARD ENOUGH, without pointing it out or whatever.
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[QUOTE="olle90"]

[QUOTE="CrimzonTide"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]radiometric dating is a tried and proven method, it has shown the earth to be about 4.6 billion years old.Dasc00

please radiometric dating is unbelivevably fallible !! now you are the one that should do some research!.

Explain. Don't go DO THE RESEARCH IM NOT TELLING YOU!@!~!@`12`12 It's just like telling me to find a unicorn in my backyard, and saying YOU'RE NOT LOOKING HARD ENOUGH, without pointing it out or whatever.

exactly, that seems to be the only thing these types say
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4.5 billiom years
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This method has been
accepted as an accurate way to determine the age of an artifact, and until recently few
have questioned the accuracy of this method. The problem is, if radiometric dating is
accepted as an accurate way to date artifacts, when in fact it is not, then it is misleading people to belive artifacts are older then they really are.

A good example of how inaccurate this type of radiometric dating comes
from the famous Mt. St. Helens eruption in 1980. Scientists know when that rock
solidified because they saw it happen. When they radiometric dated the new rock, the
results came back as if the rock was millions of years old even though it was actually less
then a year old. So if the dating method does not work when we know how old the rock
really is, why do we think it works any better when we don't know the actual age of the rocks?

An article written by Anthony Mitchell in the Washington Post gives one
example, "A team of U.S. and Ethiopian scientists has
discovered the fossilized remains of what they believe is humankind's first walking
ancestor, ... they are estimated to be 3.8-4 million years old." We know they did not get
the age of those bones from carbon dating. If they say they did, you know that is not
possible because carbon dating can not go back that far. Then how can they make this
claim. They take the rock layer that the fossil was found in and then try to find other
things in the same layer that help date when the layer could have been put down. The
most common way they do this is by finding igneous rock in the layer that they can
radiometric date. However, this method does not give an accurate answer that can be
considered scientific. But, none the less, it is used to "prove " the age of fossils and is
accepted by scientists and common people alike to be accurate. So the next time you read
a story in your paper about a million year old man, take it with a grain of salt, because all
it really means is that they found some bones that happen to be next to some rock that
were tested to be that old using a extremely fallible method.

so bite me I wont belive in your evolution crap anytime soon ;)

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man you guys just dont stop
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This method has been
accepted as an accurate way to determine the age of an artifact, and until recently few
have questioned the accuracy of this method. The problem is, if radiometric dating is
accepted as an accurate way to date artifacts, when in fact it is not, then it is misleading people to belive artifacts are older then they really are.

A good example of how inaccurate this type of radiometric dating comes
from the famous Mt. St. Helens eruption in 1980. Scientists know when that rock
solidified because they saw it happen. When they radiometric dated the new rock, the
results came back as if the rock was millions of years old even though it was actually less
then a year old. So if the dating method does not work when we know how old the rock
really is, why do we think it works any better when we don't know the actual age of the rocks?

An article written by Anthony Mitchell in the Washington Post gives one
example, "A team of U.S. and Ethiopian scientists has
discovered the fossilized remains of what they believe is humankind's first walking
ancestor, ... they are estimated to be 3.8-4 million years old." We know they did not get
the age of those bones from carbon dating. If they say they did, you know that is not
possible because carbon dating can not go back that far. Then how can they make this
claim. They take the rock layer that the fossil was found in and then try to find other
things in the same layer that help date when the layer could have been put down. The
most common way they do this is by finding igneous rock in the layer that they can
radiometric date. However, this method does not give an accurate answer that can be
considered scientific. But, none the less, it is used to "prove " the age of fossils and is
accepted by scientists and common people alike to be accurate. So the next time you read
a story in your paper about a million year old man, take it with a grain of salt, because all
it really means is that they found some bones that happen to be next to some rock that
were tested to be that old using a extremely fallible method.

so bite me I wont belive in your evolution crap anytime soon ;)

olle90

Ever heard of contamination?

 

EDIT: Also, DNA 

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[QUOTE="olle90"]

This method has been
accepted as an accurate way to determine the age of an artifact, and until recently few
have questioned the accuracy of this method. The problem is, if radiometric dating is
accepted as an accurate way to date artifacts, when in fact it is not, then it is misleading people to belive artifacts are older then they really are.

A good example of how inaccurate this type of radiometric dating comes
from the famous Mt. St. Helens eruption in 1980. Scientists know when that rock
solidified because they saw it happen. When they radiometric dated the new rock, the
results came back as if the rock was millions of years old even though it was actually less
then a year old. So if the dating method does not work when we know how old the rock
really is, why do we think it works any better when we don't know the actual age of the rocks?

An article written by Anthony Mitchell in the Washington Post gives one
example, "A team of U.S. and Ethiopian scientists has
discovered the fossilized remains of what they believe is humankind's first walking
ancestor, ... they are estimated to be 3.8-4 million years old." We know they did not get
the age of those bones from carbon dating. If they say they did, you know that is not
possible because carbon dating can not go back that far. Then how can they make this
claim. They take the rock layer that the fossil was found in and then try to find other
things in the same layer that help date when the layer could have been put down. The
most common way they do this is by finding igneous rock in the layer that they can
radiometric date. However, this method does not give an accurate answer that can be
considered scientific. But, none the less, it is used to "prove " the age of fossils and is
accepted by scientists and common people alike to be accurate. So the next time you read
a story in your paper about a million year old man, take it with a grain of salt, because all
it really means is that they found some bones that happen to be next to some rock that
were tested to be that old using a extremely fallible method.

so bite me I wont belive in your evolution crap anytime soon ;)

Dasc00

Ever heard of contamination?

 

EDIT: Also, DNA 

Ever heard of your theories fails? Becuse that what it does.  So Í would suggest to you to repent before its to late :)

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This method has been
accepted as an accurate way to determine the age of an artifact, and until recently few
have questioned the accuracy of this method. The problem is, if radiometric dating is
accepted as an accurate way to date artifacts, when in fact it is not, then it is misleading people to belive artifacts are older then they really are.

A good example of how inaccurate this type of radiometric dating comes
from the famous Mt. St. Helens eruption in 1980. Scientists know when that rock
solidified because they saw it happen. When they radiometric dated the new rock, the
results came back as if the rock was millions of years old even though it was actually less
then a year old. So if the dating method does not work when we know how old the rock
really is, why do we think it works any better when we don't know the actual age of the rocks?

An article written by Anthony Mitchell in the Washington Post gives one
example, "A team of U.S. and Ethiopian scientists has
discovered the fossilized remains of what they believe is humankind's first walking
ancestor, ... they are estimated to be 3.8-4 million years old." We know they did not get
the age of those bones from carbon dating. If they say they did, you know that is not
possible because carbon dating can not go back that far. Then how can they make this
claim. They take the rock layer that the fossil was found in and then try to find other
things in the same layer that help date when the layer could have been put down. The
most common way they do this is by finding igneous rock in the layer that they can
radiometric date. However, this method does not give an accurate answer that can be
considered scientific. But, none the less, it is used to "prove " the age of fossils and is
accepted by scientists and common people alike to be accurate. So the next time you read
a story in your paper about a million year old man, take it with a grain of salt, because all
it really means is that they found some bones that happen to be next to some rock that
were tested to be that old using a extremely fallible method.

so bite me I wont belive in your evolution crap anytime soon ;)

olle90
So... You actually believe that? Wow, sad.
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Ever heard of your theories fails? Becuse that what it does.  So Í would suggest to you to repent before its to late :)

Doesn't hell not exist right now, so what exactly happens if we refuse to repent?

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[QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="olle90"]

This method has been
accepted as an accurate way to determine the age of an artifact, and until recently few
have questioned the accuracy of this method. The problem is, if radiometric dating is
accepted as an accurate way to date artifacts, when in fact it is not, then it is misleading people to belive artifacts are older then they really are.

A good example of how inaccurate this type of radiometric dating comes
from the famous Mt. St. Helens eruption in 1980. Scientists know when that rock
solidified because they saw it happen. When they radiometric dated the new rock, the
results came back as if the rock was millions of years old even though it was actually less
then a year old. So if the dating method does not work when we know how old the rock
really is, why do we think it works any better when we don't know the actual age of the rocks?

An article written by Anthony Mitchell in the Washington Post gives one
example, "A team of U.S. and Ethiopian scientists has
discovered the fossilized remains of what they believe is humankind's first walking
ancestor, ... they are estimated to be 3.8-4 million years old." We know they did not get
the age of those bones from carbon dating. If they say they did, you know that is not
possible because carbon dating can not go back that far. Then how can they make this
claim. They take the rock layer that the fossil was found in and then try to find other
things in the same layer that help date when the layer could have been put down. The
most common way they do this is by finding igneous rock in the layer that they can
radiometric date. However, this method does not give an accurate answer that can be
considered scientific. But, none the less, it is used to "prove " the age of fossils and is
accepted by scientists and common people alike to be accurate. So the next time you read
a story in your paper about a million year old man, take it with a grain of salt, because all
it really means is that they found some bones that happen to be next to some rock that
were tested to be that old using a extremely fallible method.

so bite me I wont belive in your evolution crap anytime soon ;)

olle90

Ever heard of contamination?

EDIT: Also, DNA

Ever heard of your theories fails? Becuse that what it does. So Í would suggest to you to repent before its to late :)

you do realize that molten rock is not a year old. it is not a new rock. there was no telling how long it had been magma before it solidified. so there goes that theory. also wheres your proof that radiometric dating does not go back far enough to get the results for the fossils. i sense personal speculation here. Also this has nothing to do with evolution, we are talking about how old the planet is not the adaptation of species in order to survive in a changing world. People like you give christians a bad name. you dont understand the teachings in the bible past what your preacher tells you. You take that as scientific law. You dont seem to realize that a great bit of the bible is effected greatly by sociohistorical conditions. It was written by man. It is an interpretation of God's word- not necessarily accurate. Nowhere in the bible does it say that God is in fact the one writing it or making man write down exactly what is true. You literalists seem to pick and choose what you want to interpret as fact and what you want to forget really easily. For example you refered to Job. In the book of Job, God is depicted as imperfect. That is a contradiction to Christian belief. But how can that be if the Bible is correct about everything? Maybe because it was written by man and influenced by God. You do realize that in genesis the concept of days was mentioned before God created the concept of time?
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This method has been
accepted as an accurate way to determine the age of an artifact, and until recently few
have questioned the accuracy of this method. The problem is, if radiometric dating is
accepted as an accurate way to date artifacts, when in fact it is not, then it is misleading people to belive artifacts are older then they really are.

A good example of how inaccurate this type of radiometric dating comes
from the famous Mt. St. Helens eruption in 1980. Scientists know when that rock
solidified because they saw it happen. When they radiometric dated the new rock, the
results came back as if the rock was millions of years old even though it was actually less
then a year old. So if the dating method does not work when we know how old the rock
really is, why do we think it works any better when we don't know the actual age of the rocks?

An article written by Anthony Mitchell in the Washington Post gives one
example, "A team of U.S. and Ethiopian scientists has
discovered the fossilized remains of what they believe is humankind's first walking
ancestor, ... they are estimated to be 3.8-4 million years old." We know they did not get
the age of those bones from carbon dating. If they say they did, you know that is not
possible because carbon dating can not go back that far. Then how can they make this
claim. They take the rock layer that the fossil was found in and then try to find other
things in the same layer that help date when the layer could have been put down. The
most common way they do this is by finding igneous rock in the layer that they can
radiometric date. However, this method does not give an accurate answer that can be
considered scientific. But, none the less, it is used to "prove " the age of fossils and is
accepted by scientists and common people alike to be accurate. So the next time you read
a story in your paper about a million year old man, take it with a grain of salt, because all
it really means is that they found some bones that happen to be next to some rock that
were tested to be that old using a extremely fallible method.

so bite me I wont belive in your evolution crap anytime soon ;)

olle90
If you are going to make large claims, then you should give links to repitable sites as proof......for all we know you are making things up, and I generally don't just assume things that people say over the internet.....
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According the the worlds three major religious texts..The world is what...6000 years old?
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to add on to my above post how do you know the said "days" before God created time were 24 hours long? For all we know the time periods of God's creating of the earth before the concept of days was millions of years. But mankind back in XXX B.C. with limited knowledge that they possessed would not be able to fathom that as a posibility. Therefore they made it to where it could be fathomed. A 24 hour day and night schedule.
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According the the worlds three major religious texts..The world is what...6000 years old?rappid_rabbit
dates are never stated within the texts in that regard...
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There are mountain ranges that dissappeared and now there is another mountain range in the same spot. That is old and can be proven by geology.
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[QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"]According the the worlds three major religious texts..The world is what...6000 years old?yoshi-lnex
dates are never stated within the texts in that regard...

EXACTLY and like I said the Bible contradicts itself in Genesis by even using a day as a period of time before days were created by God. Whether you believe God created everything or not its easy to see the inacuracy there
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There are mountain ranges that dissappeared and now there is another mountain range in the same spot. That is old and can be proven by geology.Varese_basic
that and like i said the molten rock did not just poof there the day it solidified. it existed as rock for an undetermined amount of time before the day it solidified and was tested
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[QUOTE="Dasc00"][QUOTE="olle90"]

This method has been
accepted as an accurate way to determine the age of an artifact, and until recently few
have questioned the accuracy of this method. The problem is, if radiometric dating is
accepted as an accurate way to date artifacts, when in fact it is not, then it is misleading people to belive artifacts are older then they really are.

A good example of how inaccurate this type of radiometric dating comes
from the famous Mt. St. Helens eruption in 1980. Scientists know when that rock
solidified because they saw it happen. When they radiometric dated the new rock, the
results came back as if the rock was millions of years old even though it was actually less
then a year old. So if the dating method does not work when we know how old the rock
really is, why do we think it works any better when we don't know the actual age of the rocks?

An article written by Anthony Mitchell in the Washington Post gives one
example, "A team of U.S. and Ethiopian scientists has
discovered the fossilized remains of what they believe is humankind's first walking
ancestor, ... they are estimated to be 3.8-4 million years old." We know they did not get
the age of those bones from carbon dating. If they say they did, you know that is not
possible because carbon dating can not go back that far. Then how can they make this
claim. They take the rock layer that the fossil was found in and then try to find other
things in the same layer that help date when the layer could have been put down. The
most common way they do this is by finding igneous rock in the layer that they can
radiometric date. However, this method does not give an accurate answer that can be
considered scientific. But, none the less, it is used to "prove " the age of fossils and is
accepted by scientists and common people alike to be accurate. So the next time you read
a story in your paper about a million year old man, take it with a grain of salt, because all
it really means is that they found some bones that happen to be next to some rock that
were tested to be that old using a extremely fallible method.

so bite me I wont belive in your evolution crap anytime soon ;)

olle90

Ever heard of contamination?

 

EDIT: Also, DNA 

Ever heard of your theories fails? Becuse that what it does.  So Í would suggest to you to repent before its to late :)

What the hell. You didn't even say how I was wrong. Good job, exactly like me saying NO YOUR WRONG THE UNICORN IS THERE, YOU'RE JUST STUPID
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[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]You know, you should stop just listening to your peers and actually investigate these things for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_eartholle90

 

For your information I dont listen to my peers this is my OWN research ok. So please dont make assumptions.

Wow.  So you and you alone, out of 6 BILLION people on this planet, hold the secret to the age of the Earth.

Listening to their peers is exactly what scientists do, because it helps them better understand and debate the facts and possibilities.  NOT listening is hardly indicative of good learning practices.

Nicely done on your "One Man Stand".  Keep up the good work.

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#33 quiglythegreat
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Well first of all we need to understand that scientists can not prove that the earth is old or young.
You see all the dating methods used by scientists are based on some BIG assumptions, and the only way
scientists can prove the earths age is if they knew someone who was there at the beginning to record the facts.
But scientists of course dont have any such human eye witnesses they can only make assumptions based on what we see today.
You know God must have looked down on such human efforts as people tried to understand
things without seeking him for truth and thats why God asked Job where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
in other words he asked where you there? you know while no humans were there God was !
and nothing from science can contradict this.olle90
....the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. Dating methods used by scientists are done based on assumptions that have been proven time and time again in a laboratory. Now, if God were to change the rules observed in these said laboratories, then the Universe simply could not exist, because it would not be self consistent. There must be a reason to everything, and certainly if God exists, He (It, whichever the hell pronoun we're using to address God now) would certainly not be so capricious as to change the rules of nature simply to confuse us. Indeed, confusion makes existence usually far less beautiful, and I have no clue why God would want us to be confused about such elementary things as physics.
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#34 quiglythegreat
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[QUOTE="CrimzonTide"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]radiometric dating is a tried and proven method, it has shown the earth to be about 4.6 billion years old.olle90

please radiometric dating is unbelivevably fallible !! now you are the one that should do some research!.

That would be a valid argument had the age of Earth not been confirmed on numerous separate occasions.
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#35 g-unit248
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tis sad the TC is so ignorant, im not knocking religion but face the facts dude
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#36 Zagrius
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First, quoting some website doesn't constitute personal research (which would have been you trying the dating methods yourself), secondly, I think that finding out that the rocks WERE young would be more difficult for scientists to explain rather than the rocks being very old, seeing as according to science, rocks can't just appear out of nowhere for no reason.
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#37 yamum2
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i think the world is no more then 10000 years old but thats my oppinion.
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#38 quiglythegreat
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Ever heard of your theories fails? Becuse that what it does. So Í would suggest to you to repent before its to late :)

olle90
You are hurting your own cause. Seeing you post makes my animosity towards religion only greater. Even if I were a believer, why precisely should I simply disregard science?
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#39 ufopuller
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As Einstein would say, "time is relative"