Strike at Gaza school 'kills 30'

At least 30 people were killed and 55 injured when Israeli artillery shells landed outside a United Nations-run school in Gaza, UN officials have said.

A number of children were among those who died when the al-Fakhura school in the Jabaliya refugee camp was hit, doctors at nearby hospitals said.

Israel said its soldiers had come under fire from militants inside the school.

Earlier, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) warned of a "full-blown humanitarian crisis" in Gaza.

Speaking on the 11th day of the Israeli assault, a senior ICRC official, Pierre Kraehenbuhl, said life in Gaza had become intolerable.

Palestinian health ministry officials say 595 people have been killed since the attacks began, 195 of them children. Mr Kraehenbuhl said much more needed to be done to protect civilians.

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So now that Israel are confirmed child killers, why can't the world do anything about it. I hate Israel's government and everything they stand for. Why does America keep backing Israel. It just makes them look bad. Why doesn't the UN do anything

So now that Israel are confirmed child killers, why can't the world do anything about it. I hate Israel's government and everything they stand for. Why does America keep backing Israel. It just makes them look bad. Why doesn't the UN do anything Toriko42

major Michael Oren was nice enough to comment on it. The Hamas was using the school as a base to launch rocket attacks danwallacefan

Why is it that when children get killed it always seems so important? Sure they haven't fully experienced life, but they don't deserve any more attention than an adult.

But anyway, if the Hamas were using it for their fighting purposes they had a good reason to destroy it. But they probably should have waited until the civillians left.

Both sides are like children. UN should give both of the countries an ultimatum.Legendaryscmt

[QUOTE="danwallacefan"]major Michael Oren was nice enough to comment on it. The Hamas was using the school as a base to launch rocket attacks Toriko42

[QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]Both sides are like children. UN should give both of the countries an ultimatum.Toriko42

attacking a fortified building with light infantry would be a suicide attack. the bombing was absolutely necessary and the Hamas is bunch of sick bastards. Their incessant use of human-shields should be enough justification for the Israeli invasion.danwallacefan

[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Legendaryscmt"]Both sides are like children. UN should give both of the countries an ultimatum.artichoke

Who will explain to the surviving kids why their little friends died? That is what I'd like to know.wii4panta

uh israel told them they were gunna bomb them and for them to get out but did they listen? no.. and it actually makes hamas look bad for using kids as a human shield.. im with Israel on this oneishoturface

[QUOTE="artichoke"][QUOTE="Toriko42"] I agree, they're all idiots and innocent people all dying. danwallacefan

I never said Hamas was right I just said Israel was stooping to their level by continuing on their course. Israel has gone beyond simply defending themselves. They've taken so much land from the Palestinian's that you can't expect them to comply. The UN should actually do something for once and make Israel stop, lift the blockade, and place monitor's to make sure Hamas does not launch rockets. Though obviously that's not a permanent solution and will eventually break down into fighting at some point in time, the continuing loss of innocent civilians is unacceptable.artichoke

[QUOTE="artichoke"]I never said Hamas was right I just said Israel was stooping to their level by continuing on their course. Israel has gone beyond simply defending themselves. They've taken so much land from the Palestinian's that you can't expect them to comply. The UN should actually do something for once and make Israel stop, lift the blockade, and place monitor's to make sure Hamas does not launch rockets. Though obviously that's not a permanent solution and will eventually break down into fighting at some point in time, the continuing loss of innocent civilians is unacceptable.danwallacefan

[QUOTE="artichoke"]I never said Hamas was right I just said Israel was stooping to their level by continuing on their course. Israel has gone beyond simply defending themselves. They've taken so much land from the Palestinian's that you can't expect them to comply. The UN should actually do something for once and make Israel stop, lift the blockade, and place monitor's to make sure Hamas does not launch rockets. Though obviously that's not a permanent solution and will eventually break down into fighting at some point in time, the continuing loss of innocent civilians is unacceptable.danwallacefan

Anyone who tries to justify this is a fool. There is no justification for bombing a school with children in it at any point.htekemerald

Anyone who tries to justify this is a fool. There is no justification for bombing a school with children in it at any point.htekemerald

major Michael Oren was nice enough to comment on it. The Hamas was using the school as a base to launch rocket attacks danwallacefan

So what alternative solution should Israeli forces have taken?Oleg_Huzwog

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]Anyone who tries to justify this is a fool. There is no justification for bombing a school with children in it at any point.gualmilward

You're a military commander. The city you're in is being hit by mortar attacks coming from a school. You have two options: Kill the mortar crews inside the school or let the attacks continue. In either case civillians die. You could send in infantry to raid the building, but the forces you send in would definitely suffer casualties and chances are any students in the building would be drawn into the crossfire and killed anyway. Or you could just bomb the school in the off-hours. And thinking logically about it, just who in their right mind attends a school where mortar crews are set up in the classrooms? I mean, what's going on in there, are kids taking tests while militants fire and reload mortars all day five feet away from them?

So, let's sum up the pros and cons of attacking vs. not attacking the school...

Attack

Pros: Attacks on civillian and military areas and people cease
Cons: You attack a school and Hamas gets the emotional reaction they're looking for

Don't attack

Pros: Prevent a PR disaster, you don't bomb out a school
Cons: Mortar attacks continue indefinitely on surrounding populace. Chances are the civillians casualties incurred by letting the attacks continue will be higher than those incurred by bombing the school

If the intent is to minimize deaths and damage, then attacking is the clear option to choose. The only reason why one wouldn't attack the school is to prevent the ensuing PR nightmare.

[QUOTE="gualmilward"][QUOTE="htekemerald"]Anyone who tries to justify this is a fool. There is no justification for bombing a school with children in it at any point.gameguy6700

You're a military commander. The city you're in is being hit by mortar attacks coming from a school. You have two options: Kill the mortar crews inside the school or let the attacks continue. In either case civillians die. You could send in infantry to raid the building, but the forces you send in would definitely suffer casualties and chances are any students in the building would be drawn into the crossfire and killed anyway. Or you could just bomb the school in the off-hours. And thinking logically about it, just who in their right mind attends a school where mortar crews are set up in the classrooms? I mean, what's going on in there, are kids taking tests while militants fire and reload mortars all day five feet away from them?

So, let's sum up the pros and cons of attacking vs. not attacking the school...

Attack

Pros: Attacks on civillian and military areas and people cease
Cons: You attack a school and Hamas gets the emotional reaction they're looking for

Don't attack

Pros: Prevent a PR disaster, you don't bomb out a school
Cons: Mortar attacks continue indefinitely on surrounding populace. Chances are the civillians casualties incurred by letting the attacks continue will be higher than those incurred by bombing the school

If the intent is to minimize deaths and damage, then attacking is the clear option to choose. The only reason why one wouldn't attack the school is to prevent the ensuing PR nightmare.

you also fail to acknowledge that there are moral consequences to yourself shelling a school.

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[QUOTE="gualmilward"] Exactly! quiglythegreat

You're a military commander. The city you're in is being hit by mortar attacks coming from a school. You have two options: Kill the mortar crews inside the school or let the attacks continue. In either case civillians die. You could send in infantry to raid the building, but the forces you send in would definitely suffer casualties and chances are any students in the building would be drawn into the crossfire and killed anyway. Or you could just bomb the school in the off-hours. And thinking logically about it, just who in their right mind attends a school where mortar crews are set up in the classrooms? I mean, what's going on in there, are kids taking tests while militants fire and reload mortars all day five feet away from them?

So, let's sum up the pros and cons of attacking vs. not attacking the school...

Attack

Pros: Attacks on civillian and military areas and people cease
Cons: You attack a school and Hamas gets the emotional reaction they're looking for

Don't attack

Pros: Prevent a PR disaster, you don't bomb out a school
Cons: Mortar attacks continue indefinitely on surrounding populace. Chances are the civillians casualties incurred by letting the attacks continue will be higher than those incurred by bombing the school

If the intent is to minimize deaths and damage, then attacking is the clear option to choose. The only reason why one wouldn't attack the school is to prevent the ensuing PR nightmare.

you also fail to acknowledge that there are moral consequences to yourself shelling a school.

I already said that there would be a PR disaster. That's really the only moral consequence. And considering that war is entirely about killing other people I really don't think that morals play much of a role in wartime decisions anyway.

Besides, this is just as much the school's fault as it is Hamas's and Israel's. What idiot still has school be in session while the school building has been commendered by militants for use as a base of attack?

I really didnt want the US, or others to get involved, but when kids get killed, it hits me pretty hard.

Put boots to the ground and kill all these bastards, on both sides.

Why is it that when children get killed it always seems so important? Sure they haven't fully experienced life, but they don't deserve any more attention than an adult.

But anyway, if the Hamas were using it for their fighting purposes they had a good reason to destroy it. But they probably should have waited until the civillians left.

I find this whole conflict completely ridiculous on both sides. Hamas needs to realize that they will never get what they want if they fire rockets into Israel for nationalistic reasons, and Israel needs to listen to the needs of the Palestinian people, they took Palestine, not the other way around. If Hamas can stop using violence and if Israel can stop responding with extremely excessive force then we may just have a bit of peace for awhile.honkyjoe

I find this whole conflict completely ridiculous on both sides. Hamas needs to realize that they will never get what they want if they fire rockets into Israel for nationalistic reasons, and Israel needs to listen to the needs of the Palestinian people, they took Palestine, not the other way around. If Hamas can stop using violence and if Israel can stop responding with extremely excessive force then we may just have a bit of peace for awhile.honkyjoe

[QUOTE="htekemerald"]Anyone who tries to justify this is a fool. There is no justification for bombing a school with children in it at any point.danwallacefan

wow all that gears of war musta really rotted ure brain huh why is it sad that children die ??? how is that not sad why do children desserve more attention than adults cuz their minds havnt been tainted with greed and lust like the wrest of the worldrac_fan12

[QUOTE="honkyjoe"]I find this whole conflict completely ridiculous on both sides. Hamas needs to realize that they will never get what they want if they fire rockets into Israel for nationalistic reasons, and Israel needs to listen to the needs of the Palestinian people, they took Palestine, not the other way around. If Hamas can stop using violence and if Israel can stop responding with extremely excessive force then we may just have a bit of peace for awhile.rac_fan12

Yeah, yeah, he's the one who's had his brain rotted by violent video games since he doesn't think that kids dying is anymore tragic than an adult dying. You, on the otherhand, are pefectly level headed when you saying that the answer to a conflict is to kill both parties involved by commiting war crimes.

Also, I rarely ever say "owned" in forum discussions, but I'm going to make an exception here because this was the finest piece of self-ownage I have seen in a long time. Not only did you contradict yourself almost immediately after your first post, but you also contradicted yourself on the value of children's lives by suggesting that we nuke the whole area. Did it occur to you that nuking the whole of Israel would entail the wholesale slaughter of millions of school children? It would literally be us bombing thousands of schools full of kids.

[QUOTE="honkyjoe"]I find this whole conflict completely ridiculous on both sides. Hamas needs to realize that they will never get what they want if they fire rockets into Israel for nationalistic reasons, and Israel needs to listen to the needs of the Palestinian people, they took Palestine, not the other way around. If Hamas can stop using violence and if Israel can stop responding with extremely excessive force then we may just have a bit of peace for awhile.rac_fan12

[QUOTE="honkyjoe"]I find this whole conflict completely ridiculous on both sides. Hamas needs to realize that they will never get what they want if they fire rockets into Israel for nationalistic reasons, and Israel needs to listen to the needs of the Palestinian people, they took Palestine, not the other way around. If Hamas can stop using violence and if Israel can stop responding with extremely excessive force then we may just have a bit of peace for awhile.rac_fan12

[QUOTE="rac_fan12"][QUOTE="honkyjoe"]I find this whole conflict completely ridiculous on both sides. Hamas needs to realize that they will never get what they want if they fire rockets into Israel for nationalistic reasons, and Israel needs to listen to the needs of the Palestinian people, they took Palestine, not the other way around. If Hamas can stop using violence and if Israel can stop responding with extremely excessive force then we may just have a bit of peace for awhile.-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="rac_fan12"] no peace is impoosible between the two they are a bunch of fanatics that harbor wayy too much hate they both need to be nuked and the wrold will be a better place Jacobistheman

I support Israel on this one, you don't see them going into the West Bank now do you, they chose to elect much more moderate leaders aka Fatah. While the palestinians elected the extremists aka Hamas.

If the Gaza Strip really wants peace, they have to stop supporting Terrorists and start electing moderates.

[QUOTE="honkyjoe"]I find this whole conflict completely ridiculous on both sides. Hamas needs to realize that they will never get what they want if they fire rockets into Israel for nationalistic reasons, and Israel needs to listen to the needs of the Palestinian people, they took Palestine, not the other way around. If Hamas can stop using violence and if Israel can stop responding with extremely excessive force then we may just have a bit of peace for awhile.Jacobistheman

Hamas didn't fire rockets at Israel during the ceasefire. As soon as the ceasefire ended Hamas started to launch rockets and Israel responded with excessive force. And your comment about Hitler is completely irrelevent. The Palestinian people are an ethnic group. Hitler was a psychotic fascist dictator with a big chip on his shoulder. Besides, all the Palestinians want is their own soveriegn nation away from the jurisdiction of Israel. Is that too much to ask for??