SPECIAL REPORT: Republicans win FL special election.

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#1 Posted by airshocker (29042 posts) -

SOURCE

"CLEARWATER BEACH, Fla. (AP) -- Republican David Jolly defeated Democrat Alex Sink on Tuesday in a Tampa-area House district where President Barack Obama's health care overhaul got its first test ahead of November's midterm elections and both sides spent millions auditioning national strategies."

What do you think, OT? Is this truly a referendum on Obamacare? Are Dems doomed? Is the world ending? You decide!

#3 Edited by Master_Live (14191 posts) -

The fire has started.

#4 Posted by deeliman (2391 posts) -

Photoshop level: TEACH ME MASTER

#5 Posted by Aljosa23 (24749 posts) -

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

#6 Posted by ferrari2001 (16815 posts) -

Obamacare will provide a huge boost to republican support come the next elections. The dems should expect to lose seats in both the house and the senate. It looks likely that the republicans could hold both the house and the senate come November. It will be an interesting election that much is sure.

#7 Posted by Master_Live (14191 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

wat?

#8 Posted by Aljosa23 (24749 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

wat?

If Republicans put out a field of crazies like the last election and only go after their base there is 0 chance of them beating Hillary or whoever the Democratic candidate is. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

#9 Edited by Master_Live (14191 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

@Master_Live said:

@Aljosa23 said:

If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

wat?

If Republicans put out a field of crazies like the last election and only go after their base there is 0 chance of them beating Hillary or whoever the Democratic candidate is. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Oh, you meant the White House. Proper abbreviations go a long way.

#10 Posted by TheWalkingGhost (5118 posts) -

Obamacare will provide a huge boost to republican support come the next elections. The dems should expect to lose seats in both the house and the senate. It looks likely that the republicans could hold both the house and the senate come November. It will be an interesting election that much is sure.

RIP America. Why do people keep voting republican...More of getting nothing done.

#11 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (17148 posts) -

Isn't Florida a typically Republican state anyways?

I really just do not find this news surprising especially with how much of an ass-backwards hellhole that state is....

#12 Posted by airshocker (29042 posts) -

Isn't Florida a typically Republican state anyways?

I really just do not find this news surprising especially with how much of an ass-backwards hellhole that state is....

That district went for Obama in 2008 and 2012. So it's considered a purple district.

#13 Edited by airshocker (29042 posts) -
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

#14 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (17148 posts) -

@LostProphetFLCL said:

Isn't Florida a typically Republican state anyways?

I really just do not find this news surprising especially with how much of an ass-backwards hellhole that state is....

That district went for Obama in 2008 and 2012. So it's considered a purple district.

I see I see.

#15 Posted by mattbbpl (10572 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

#16 Posted by vfibsux (4205 posts) -

I pray this is the beginning of the end for this ridiculous path to hell the left has led this country down. Time to get all of these bastards out of office and take this country back.

#17 Posted by Serraph105 (27822 posts) -

I don't know about the referendum thing, once four million and counting all have something it's rather difficult to tell people they shouldn't have it anymore. Although it is interesting Floridians wouldn't be bit more thankful to have Obamacare given that they can get it for as low as $40 a month there (and lower).

#18 Posted by Serraph105 (27822 posts) -

@vfibsux said:

I pray this is the beginning of the end for this ridiculous path to hell the left has led this country down. Time to get all of these bastards out of office and take this country back.

I'm with you man, I'm voting for Romney/Ryan this time.

#19 Posted by vfibsux (4205 posts) -

@vfibsux said:

I pray this is the beginning of the end for this ridiculous path to hell the left has led this country down. Time to get all of these bastards out of office and take this country back.

I'm with you man, I'm voting for Romney/Ryan this time.

......can't tell if serious.

#20 Posted by dave123321 (33784 posts) -

Fuck yeah

#21 Posted by indzman (17245 posts) -

@deeliman said:

Photoshop level: TEACH ME MASTER

#22 Posted by The-Apostle (12170 posts) -

Good. Now the Republicans need to take California. I'm not getting my hopes up, however... :cry:

#23 Posted by playmynutz (5981 posts) -

Thank you for the news @Airshocker, your pic made me giggle

#24 Edited by wis3boi (31118 posts) -

lol republicans

lol democrats

#25 Posted by Serraph105 (27822 posts) -

@vfibsux:

lol that's what I think every time I see one of your posts

#26 Posted by vfibsux (4205 posts) -

@vfibsux:

lol that's what I think every time I see one of your posts

Actually I am pretty straight forward and in your face with my views, no mistaking if I am serious or not.

#27 Edited by theone86 (20555 posts) -

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

#28 Posted by Randolph (10470 posts) -

I really wish I could even consider voting Republican, but their obsession with trying to copy paste the Old Testament of the bible into law disturbs me. I honestly wouldn't mind them trying to write some of the teachings of Jesus into law, but they won't do that because elected Republicans aren't really Christians at all.

#29 Posted by Master_Live (14191 posts) -

@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Nah, the Republicans shed their losses from the shutdown after the catastrophic roll out, it was that bad. Some parts of Obamacare are actually being put into practice, just not the ones Democrats think will hurt them on the midterms elections. I guess they can delay those parts into eternity.

#30 Edited by comp_atkins (31269 posts) -

democrat response: "this is by no means a referendum on the president"

republican response: "this is absolutely a referendum on the president"

everyone else: "meh"

#31 Edited by TacticalDesire (10713 posts) -

I actually know David Jolly an Alex Sink through family and other indirect ties. I haven't been in the area for a couple of months, but this is quite the upset from what I was hearing a while ago. Anyway, no I don't think the Dems are doomed.

#32 Posted by theone86 (20555 posts) -

@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Nah, the Republicans shed their losses from the shutdown after the catastrophic roll out, it was that bad. Some parts of Obamacare are actually being put into practice, just not the ones Democrats think will hurt them on the midterms elections. I guess they can delay those parts into eternity.

I can't believe how much of a deal you're making over technical website difficulties, especially ones that have been fixed for a good while now. If you really think that's going to play come election time then I don't know what to tell you.

#33 Edited by themajormayor (25700 posts) -

#34 Edited by Riverwolf007 (23528 posts) -

hmmmm.

who to vote for?

rich corrupt asshole totally disconnected from the reality of 95% of americans situations or rich corrupt asshole that is totally disconnected from the reality of 95% of american situations?

man, that's a toughie.

#35 Edited by Master_Live (14191 posts) -

@theone86 said:

@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Nah, the Republicans shed their losses from the shutdown after the catastrophic roll out, it was that bad. Some parts of Obamacare are actually being put into practice, just not the ones Democrats think will hurt them on the midterms elections. I guess they can delay those parts into eternity.

I can't believe how much of a deal you're making over technical website difficulties, especially ones that have been fixed for a good while now. If you really think that's going to play come election time then I don't know what to tell you.

Oh One, I said the roll out was catastrophic, was, past tense. It has been less crappy since, still the back end of the website (read: the checkout process is a mess). Good thing you ignore the other part of my post, you know, the bit about delaying parts of Obamacare for political gain. But it is what it is.

#36 Posted by theone86 (20555 posts) -

@theone86 said:

@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Nah, the Republicans shed their losses from the shutdown after the catastrophic roll out, it was that bad. Some parts of Obamacare are actually being put into practice, just not the ones Democrats think will hurt them on the midterms elections. I guess they can delay those parts into eternity.

I can't believe how much of a deal you're making over technical website difficulties, especially ones that have been fixed for a good while now. If you really think that's going to play come election time then I don't know what to tell you.

Oh One, I said the roll out was catastrophic, was, past tense. It has been less crappy since, still the back end of the website (read: the checkout process is a mess). Good thing you ignore the other part of my post, you know, the bit about delaying parts of Obamacare for political gain. But it is what it is.

Or maybe they're delaying them because it's still a work in progress and they need to tweak them both as the rollout continues and as they deal with court rulings. Without knowing which specific parts you're referring to I really can't say.

#37 Posted by Master_Live (14191 posts) -

@theone86 said:

@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Nah, the Republicans shed their losses from the shutdown after the catastrophic roll out, it was that bad. Some parts of Obamacare are actually being put into practice, just not the ones Democrats think will hurt them on the midterms elections. I guess they can delay those parts into eternity.

I can't believe how much of a deal you're making over technical website difficulties, especially ones that have been fixed for a good while now. If you really think that's going to play come election time then I don't know what to tell you.

Oh One, I said the roll out was catastrophic, was, past tense. It has been less crappy since, still the back end of the website (read: the checkout process is a mess). Good thing you ignore the other part of my post, you know, the bit about delaying parts of Obamacare for political gain. But it is what it is.

Or maybe they're delaying them because it's still a work in progress and they need to tweak them both as the rollout continues and as they deal with court rulings. Without knowing which specific parts you're referring to I really can't say.

O-Care mandate again pushed back

New O-Care delay to help midterm Dems

#38 Posted by theone86 (20555 posts) -

@theone86 said:

@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Nah, the Republicans shed their losses from the shutdown after the catastrophic roll out, it was that bad. Some parts of Obamacare are actually being put into practice, just not the ones Democrats think will hurt them on the midterms elections. I guess they can delay those parts into eternity.

I can't believe how much of a deal you're making over technical website difficulties, especially ones that have been fixed for a good while now. If you really think that's going to play come election time then I don't know what to tell you.

Oh One, I said the roll out was catastrophic, was, past tense. It has been less crappy since, still the back end of the website (read: the checkout process is a mess). Good thing you ignore the other part of my post, you know, the bit about delaying parts of Obamacare for political gain. But it is what it is.

Or maybe they're delaying them because it's still a work in progress and they need to tweak them both as the rollout continues and as they deal with court rulings. Without knowing which specific parts you're referring to I really can't say.

O-Care mandate again pushed back

New O-Care delay to help midterm Dems

Right, so there are problems with the legislation and the rollout is delayed in order to fix those problems, and you say it's only for political gain? That's like the dictionary definition of cynical.

#39 Posted by Master_Live (14191 posts) -

Calm down, Chris. Now's not the time for fear. That comes later.

#40 Posted by mattbbpl (10572 posts) -

@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Most people have already forgotten about the shutdown, nevertheless have it in mind come November.

The Democrats have too many vulnerable seats exposed, the Republicans too few, and it's a midterm election which means there will be a lower turnout (and that usually favors the Republicans).

It's a situation that's almost impossible for the Republicans to screw up.

#41 Posted by one_plum (6348 posts) -

Boba Fett is Democrat.

#42 Posted by XaosII (16563 posts) -

This is, unfortunately, politics at work: The candidate that spent more money wins in nearly 90% of cases. Guess who spent more money? Republican groups.

This is hardly an ideological shift.

#43 Posted by Serraph105 (27822 posts) -
#44 Edited by Master_Live (14191 posts) -
@XaosII said:

This is, unfortunately, politics at work: The candidate that spent more money wins in nearly 90% of cases. Guess who spent more money? Republican groups.

This is hardly an ideological shift.

Sink outspent Jolly, but the Republican was able to close the financial gap with the help of outside groups. All told, Democrats held a $5.4 million to $4.5 million spending advantage.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/why-a-republican-wave-in-2014-is-looking-more-likely-now-20140311

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Now go away.

#45 Posted by XaosII (16563 posts) -

@XaosII said:

This is, unfortunately, politics at work: The candidate that spent more money wins in nearly 90% of cases. Guess who spent more money? Republican groups.

This is hardly an ideological shift.

Sink outspent Jolly, but the Republican was able to close the financial gap with the help of outside groups. All told, Democrats held a $5.4 million to $4.5 million spending advantage.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/why-a-republican-wave-in-2014-is-looking-more-likely-now-20140311

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Now go away.

Maybe you should take your own advice, or at the very least read: republican groups spent more money. Sink raised more, but outside republican groups spent far more money than democratic groups did:

Both parties bet big on the race. National Republican groups — hoping to exploit a political environment that’s tilting in their favor — combined to spend nearly $5 million, much of it on tying Sink to the unpopular Affordable Care Act and painting her as a steadfast ally of President Barack Obama. Democrats, meanwhile, poured in nearly $4 million, much of it on portraying Jolly as a cold-hearted opponent of entitlement programs and abortion rights.

The spending by the outside groups helped make the race one of the most expensive congressional battles in recent memory.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/david-jolly-alex-sink-florida-special-election-2014-104543.html#ixzz2vu4vDcds

A break down of the cash shows that more money was spent by outside groups than either candidate combined - mostly TV ads - with republicans spending more.

#46 Posted by Master_Live (14191 posts) -
#48 Edited by GreySeal9 (24106 posts) -

There's no doubt that the clusterfuck that was the Obamacare rollout has given Republicans strength in the midterms, but then again, Repubs claimed that they were destined to take over the Senate for the last two elections, so...

#49 Posted by shellcase86 (1934 posts) -

I don't know about the referendum thing, once four million and counting all have something it's rather difficult to tell people they shouldn't have it anymore. Although it is interesting Floridians wouldn't be bit more thankful to have Obamacare given that they can get it for as low as $40 a month there (and lower).

Good point. It'd be interesting to see what the GOP will do about the effects the ACA has had on dependents, pre-existing conditions, lifetime max, and drug coverage gaps in respect to dropping the law.

#50 Posted by chessmaster1989 (29106 posts) -

Well if it's anything like the last time Alex Sink lost an election, Republicans just elected a complete fvcktard to office.