SPECIAL REPORT: Republicans win FL special election.

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"CLEARWATER BEACH, Fla. (AP) -- Republican David Jolly defeated Democrat Alex Sink on Tuesday in a Tampa-area House district where President Barack Obama's health care overhaul got its first test ahead of November's midterm elections and both sides spent millions auditioning national strategies."

What do you think, OT? Is this truly a referendum on Obamacare? Are Dems doomed? Is the world ending? You decide!

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Oh man, I was about to post this. We need to get the Special Report theme in here!

Politico: Florida loss big blow to Democrats’ 2014 hopes

National Journal: David Jolly wasn't expected to win Tuesday's special election. But he capitalized on an increasingly favorable political environment for the GOP.

The Hill: Fla. loss a blow to Democrats' 2014 hopes

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The fire has started.

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The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

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Obamacare will provide a huge boost to republican support come the next elections. The dems should expect to lose seats in both the house and the senate. It looks likely that the republicans could hold both the house and the senate come November. It will be an interesting election that much is sure.

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@Aljosa23 said:

If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

wat?

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@Master_Live said:

@Aljosa23 said:

If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

wat?

If Republicans put out a field of crazies like the last election and only go after their base there is 0 chance of them beating Hillary or whoever the Democratic candidate is. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

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@Aljosa23 said:

@Master_Live said:

@Aljosa23 said:

If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

wat?

If Republicans put out a field of crazies like the last election and only go after their base there is 0 chance of them beating Hillary or whoever the Democratic candidate is. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

Oh, you meant the White House. Proper abbreviations go a long way.

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@ferrari2001 said:

Obamacare will provide a huge boost to republican support come the next elections. The dems should expect to lose seats in both the house and the senate. It looks likely that the republicans could hold both the house and the senate come November. It will be an interesting election that much is sure.

RIP America. Why do people keep voting republican...More of getting nothing done.

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Isn't Florida a typically Republican state anyways?

I really just do not find this news surprising especially with how much of an ass-backwards hellhole that state is....

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@LostProphetFLCL said:

Isn't Florida a typically Republican state anyways?

I really just do not find this news surprising especially with how much of an ass-backwards hellhole that state is....

That district went for Obama in 2008 and 2012. So it's considered a purple district.

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@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

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@airshocker said:

@LostProphetFLCL said:

Isn't Florida a typically Republican state anyways?

I really just do not find this news surprising especially with how much of an ass-backwards hellhole that state is....

That district went for Obama in 2008 and 2012. So it's considered a purple district.

I see I see.

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@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

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I pray this is the beginning of the end for this ridiculous path to hell the left has led this country down. Time to get all of these bastards out of office and take this country back.

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I don't know about the referendum thing, once four million and counting all have something it's rather difficult to tell people they shouldn't have it anymore. Although it is interesting Floridians wouldn't be bit more thankful to have Obamacare given that they can get it for as low as $40 a month there (and lower).

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I pray this is the beginning of the end for this ridiculous path to hell the left has led this country down. Time to get all of these bastards out of office and take this country back.

I'm with you man, I'm voting for Romney/Ryan this time.

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@Serraph105 said:

@vfibsux said:

I pray this is the beginning of the end for this ridiculous path to hell the left has led this country down. Time to get all of these bastards out of office and take this country back.

I'm with you man, I'm voting for Romney/Ryan this time.

......can't tell if serious.

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**** yeah

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Good. Now the Republicans need to take California. I'm not getting my hopes up, however... :cry:

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Thank you for the news @Airshocker, your pic made me giggle

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lol republicans

lol democrats

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@vfibsux:

lol that's what I think every time I see one of your posts

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@vfibsux:

lol that's what I think every time I see one of your posts

Actually I am pretty straight forward and in your face with my views, no mistaking if I am serious or not.

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@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

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I really wish I could even consider voting Republican, but their obsession with trying to copy paste the Old Testament of the bible into law disturbs me. I honestly wouldn't mind them trying to write some of the teachings of Jesus into law, but they won't do that because elected Republicans aren't really Christians at all.

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@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Nah, the Republicans shed their losses from the shutdown after the catastrophic roll out, it was that bad. Some parts of Obamacare are actually being put into practice, just not the ones Democrats think will hurt them on the midterms elections. I guess they can delay those parts into eternity.

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democrat response: "this is by no means a referendum on the president"

republican response: "this is absolutely a referendum on the president"

everyone else: "meh"

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I actually know David Jolly an Alex Sink through family and other indirect ties. I haven't been in the area for a couple of months, but this is quite the upset from what I was hearing a while ago. Anyway, no I don't think the Dems are doomed.

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@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Nah, the Republicans shed their losses from the shutdown after the catastrophic roll out, it was that bad. Some parts of Obamacare are actually being put into practice, just not the ones Democrats think will hurt them on the midterms elections. I guess they can delay those parts into eternity.

I can't believe how much of a deal you're making over technical website difficulties, especially ones that have been fixed for a good while now. If you really think that's going to play come election time then I don't know what to tell you.

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hmmmm.

who to vote for?

rich corrupt asshole totally disconnected from the reality of 95% of americans situations or rich corrupt asshole that is totally disconnected from the reality of 95% of american situations?

man, that's a toughie.

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@theone86 said:

@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Nah, the Republicans shed their losses from the shutdown after the catastrophic roll out, it was that bad. Some parts of Obamacare are actually being put into practice, just not the ones Democrats think will hurt them on the midterms elections. I guess they can delay those parts into eternity.

I can't believe how much of a deal you're making over technical website difficulties, especially ones that have been fixed for a good while now. If you really think that's going to play come election time then I don't know what to tell you.

Oh One, I said the roll out was catastrophic, was, past tense. It has been less crappy since, still the back end of the website (read: the checkout process is a mess). Good thing you ignore the other part of my post, you know, the bit about delaying parts of Obamacare for political gain. But it is what it is.

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@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Nah, the Republicans shed their losses from the shutdown after the catastrophic roll out, it was that bad. Some parts of Obamacare are actually being put into practice, just not the ones Democrats think will hurt them on the midterms elections. I guess they can delay those parts into eternity.

I can't believe how much of a deal you're making over technical website difficulties, especially ones that have been fixed for a good while now. If you really think that's going to play come election time then I don't know what to tell you.

Oh One, I said the roll out was catastrophic, was, past tense. It has been less crappy since, still the back end of the website (read: the checkout process is a mess). Good thing you ignore the other part of my post, you know, the bit about delaying parts of Obamacare for political gain. But it is what it is.

Or maybe they're delaying them because it's still a work in progress and they need to tweak them both as the rollout continues and as they deal with court rulings. Without knowing which specific parts you're referring to I really can't say.

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@theone86 said:

@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Nah, the Republicans shed their losses from the shutdown after the catastrophic roll out, it was that bad. Some parts of Obamacare are actually being put into practice, just not the ones Democrats think will hurt them on the midterms elections. I guess they can delay those parts into eternity.

I can't believe how much of a deal you're making over technical website difficulties, especially ones that have been fixed for a good while now. If you really think that's going to play come election time then I don't know what to tell you.

Oh One, I said the roll out was catastrophic, was, past tense. It has been less crappy since, still the back end of the website (read: the checkout process is a mess). Good thing you ignore the other part of my post, you know, the bit about delaying parts of Obamacare for political gain. But it is what it is.

Or maybe they're delaying them because it's still a work in progress and they need to tweak them both as the rollout continues and as they deal with court rulings. Without knowing which specific parts you're referring to I really can't say.

O-Care mandate again pushed back

New O-Care delay to help midterm Dems

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@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@Master_Live said:

@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

@airshocker said:
@Aljosa23 said:

The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Nah, the Republicans shed their losses from the shutdown after the catastrophic roll out, it was that bad. Some parts of Obamacare are actually being put into practice, just not the ones Democrats think will hurt them on the midterms elections. I guess they can delay those parts into eternity.

I can't believe how much of a deal you're making over technical website difficulties, especially ones that have been fixed for a good while now. If you really think that's going to play come election time then I don't know what to tell you.

Oh One, I said the roll out was catastrophic, was, past tense. It has been less crappy since, still the back end of the website (read: the checkout process is a mess). Good thing you ignore the other part of my post, you know, the bit about delaying parts of Obamacare for political gain. But it is what it is.

Or maybe they're delaying them because it's still a work in progress and they need to tweak them both as the rollout continues and as they deal with court rulings. Without knowing which specific parts you're referring to I really can't say.

O-Care mandate again pushed back

New O-Care delay to help midterm Dems

Right, so there are problems with the legislation and the rollout is delayed in order to fix those problems, and you say it's only for political gain? That's like the dictionary definition of cynical.

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Calm down, Chris. Now's not the time for fear. That comes later.

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#40 mattbbpl
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@theone86 said:

@mattbbpl said:

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The Democrats were always going to lose the mid-term election, everyone knows only the most devoted drones vote at those things. If the GOP does not retake the house they are fucked come 2016.

I don't think there's much question that they're going to retain control of the house. The real key is the senate. If we retake the senate that will bode well for 2016.

Yeah, and the technicals bode very well for the Republicans. Barring an absolute implosion, they'll pick up seats this cycle.

They do? I thought the Republicans were still taking a big hit on the whole shutting down the country thing, not to mention every other Republican candidate these days is sporting Tea Party colors. They may win with that in their base areas, but they're driving off moderates in droves. As for Obamacare, I guess it's still playing to a degree for the right, but the more of it that actually gets put into practice the more people like it. When you ask people about the individual provisions on a separate basis a large majority of people approves of them, it's really just Obamacare as a buzzword that gets negative reactions, and I wonder how long that will play now that people are finding out that they actually like it. Anyway, GS Republicans can keep counting their chickens before the eggs hatch if it makes them feel better.

Most people have already forgotten about the shutdown, nevertheless have it in mind come November.

The Democrats have too many vulnerable seats exposed, the Republicans too few, and it's a midterm election which means there will be a lower turnout (and that usually favors the Republicans).

It's a situation that's almost impossible for the Republicans to screw up.

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#41 one_plum
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Boba Fett is Democrat.

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#42 XaosII
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This is, unfortunately, politics at work: The candidate that spent more money wins in nearly 90% of cases. Guess who spent more money? Republican groups.

This is hardly an ideological shift.

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#43 Serraph105
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@Master_Live:

You watch Chris Mathews? Why?

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#44  Edited By Master_Live
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@XaosII said:

This is, unfortunately, politics at work: The candidate that spent more money wins in nearly 90% of cases. Guess who spent more money? Republican groups.

This is hardly an ideological shift.

Sink outspent Jolly, but the Republican was able to close the financial gap with the help of outside groups. All told, Democrats held a $5.4 million to $4.5 million spending advantage.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/why-a-republican-wave-in-2014-is-looking-more-likely-now-20140311

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#45 XaosII
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@Master_Live said:
@XaosII said:

This is, unfortunately, politics at work: The candidate that spent more money wins in nearly 90% of cases. Guess who spent more money? Republican groups.

This is hardly an ideological shift.

Sink outspent Jolly, but the Republican was able to close the financial gap with the help of outside groups. All told, Democrats held a $5.4 million to $4.5 million spending advantage.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/why-a-republican-wave-in-2014-is-looking-more-likely-now-20140311

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Maybe you should take your own advice, or at the very least read: republican groups spent more money. Sink raised more, but outside republican groups spent far more money than democratic groups did:

Both parties bet big on the race. National Republican groups — hoping to exploit a political environment that’s tilting in their favor — combined to spend nearly $5 million, much of it on tying Sink to the unpopular Affordable Care Act and painting her as a steadfast ally of President Barack Obama. Democrats, meanwhile, poured in nearly $4 million, much of it on portraying Jolly as a cold-hearted opponent of entitlement programs and abortion rights.

The spending by the outside groups helped make the race one of the most expensive congressional battles in recent memory.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/david-jolly-alex-sink-florida-special-election-2014-104543.html#ixzz2vu4vDcds

A break down of the cash shows that more money was spent by outside groups than either candidate combined - mostly TV ads - with republicans spending more.

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#46 Master_Live
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@Serraph105 said:

@Master_Live:

You watch Chris Mathews? Why?

Why not?

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#48  Edited By GreySeal9
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There's no doubt that the clusterfuck that was the Obamacare rollout has given Republicans strength in the midterms, but then again, Repubs claimed that they were destined to take over the Senate for the last two elections, so...

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#49 shellcase86
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@Serraph105 said:

I don't know about the referendum thing, once four million and counting all have something it's rather difficult to tell people they shouldn't have it anymore. Although it is interesting Floridians wouldn't be bit more thankful to have Obamacare given that they can get it for as low as $40 a month there (and lower).

Good point. It'd be interesting to see what the GOP will do about the effects the ACA has had on dependents, pre-existing conditions, lifetime max, and drug coverage gaps in respect to dropping the law.

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#50 chessmaster1989
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Well if it's anything like the last time Alex Sink lost an election, Republicans just elected a complete fvcktard to office.