Should Zionism be looked at as critically as Jihadism?

Religious doctrines being tied to mass violence in the mid 2020s is wild

@Mercenary848: Of course it should. But zionists use the horrors of the holocaust to play the eternal victim. Even while they are committing crimes against humanity.

Yes, it's a relatively recent (mid-20th century) concept and it should be looked at critically before it is simply just something that's part of human nature, dogma, or policy and we just sort of, you know, roll with it like we do so much other bullshit we just accept or tolerate these days.

The issue is the whole thing is based on being in a state of victimhood and whether or not your agree with the far-right Israeli government, the ideas of zionism, and all those terrible things, the Israeli people killed and kidnapped in October (jeeeeez has it really been 6+ months already?) are victims. Israel is surrounded by nations, governments, militaries, and other organizations that want them wiped out.

It's a tough sell to say it is entirely unwarranted.

There has to be a name for this phenomenon or whatever. When past-victims become current-perpetrators.

Yes

You would have to define what you mean by the terms for me to adequately respond.

This is because the root origin of both words has little to do with their popular misrepresentations.

Zionism is cut from the same cloth as Nazism, an ideology based on racial supremacy and ethnic cleansing.

Exhibit A above.

A made up definition based upon hate.

There's nothing wrong with the root origin of both words. The problem is the way that they're actually practiced in modern times, which often goes against the original intent behind the root words.

For example, Jihad simply means "struggle" in Arabic. Suicide and killing civilians are also considered major sins in Islam. Yet what did Al Qaeda and ISIS do? Suicide bombings. And bombing civilians, just like the Western colonizers they hated.

Likewise, Zionism originally meant creating a Jewish safe haven. After all, Jews were persecuted by Christians and white supremacists for centuries. Yet what did Zionists do? Become Jewish supremacist colonizers stealing land and committing crimes against humanity, just like the white supremacists and European colonizers they hated.

I know the origins and definitions of the words....which was my God damn point.

Which makes your original ridiculous post moot. Neither of the OPs words can be addressed without a much clearer definition of what is meant. Try to follow along.

Zionism simply means a homeland for Jews. There are many political parties in Israel. Many of those parties consider themselves Zionist. Of those parties they run pretty much the full spectrum from left to right. There are also two Arab parties. They typically hold about 8% of the seats in the Knesset. I don't remember the Nazis running a democracy let alone Jews having seats.

Next you will be telling me that the Zionist Yitzhak Rabin was a Nazi. Or that the Zionist Yair Lapid is a Nazi.

Your OP outs you as a troll. The issue is not Zionism. Just like the issue is not Jihad. Your post was despicable, so let's not pretend that you have a balanced view of anything.

@SUD123456:

I said what I said:

"Zionism is cut from the same cloth as Nazism, an ideology based on racial supremacy and ethnic cleansing."

Zionism, as it's actually practiced, doesn't simply mean a homeland for Jews. It means stealing someone else's homeland and giving it to Jews. They expelled most of the Palestinian natives from their homes and replaced them with Jewish settlers from Europe and elsewhere to create their Jewish state. That's settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing 101.

Under international law, the 750,000 Palestinian refugees who were expelled from their homes 75 years ago and their millions of descendants have the right of return to what is today Israel, along with reparations. Yet Israel has denied them the right of return for 75 years and refused to pay reparations, instead granting citizenship to Jewish settlers from Europe and America who steal Palestinian homes and use them as holiday homes. That's racial supremacy 101.

But not all Zionism is bad. Albert Einstein's concept of Zionism was a pretty good idea: a single-state solution where Palestinian Arabs and Jews live as equals. But that's not how Zionism is actually practiced, because Israel's founders couldn't stand the thought of living in a state with a Palestinian majority who they deemed an inferior race.

FYI, there were Jewish collaborators in Nazi Germany. That doesn't change the fact that the Holocaust happened. Likewise, there were black "house slaves" in America that white slave owners treated much better than most of the black "field slaves" on the plantations. In British India, Brits had an Indian army help them colonize India. In Britain's African colonies, Brits imported Indian labour to help maintain colonial rule over black Africans... That's how systems of racial hierarchy work.

I'm guessing you have a different definition of those words than their original intent?

Definitions are defined by common usage. That's why the dictionary updates itself every couple of years.

For example, take the word "meme"... When Richard Dawkins coined that term, he meant something very different to what that word commonly means today.

Or take the word "marriage"... As gay marriage became more acceptable in society, the dictionary definition of "marriage" was updated.

There are so many more examples like this. Definitions aren't always static, but can change depending on common usage.

@Mercenary848:

Nah, Zionism is belief in a state where Jews can be free of persecution. Is some who do bad things in the name of Zionism bad? Yes

Conflating survivalism with a holy war to indoctrinate others is disingenuous to say the least.

Why? There are no jewish extremist groups in my country under surveillance by intelligence service.

Defending themselves is a crime against humanity. Why dont you cvall out the the people who really copmmit crimes against hunmanity. Isreal goes abovce and beyond the Geneva Convention requirments for conducting a war where civilians are concerned. At least when you make a point make it correct.

@JimB: That was a funny joke. Thanks.

How would the world be either of those ideologies succeeded?

If Zionism succeded jews would have a homeland in Israel, not sure the exact boundaries (I guess this differ among zionists).

If jihaddism succeed all humans in the world would submit to Allah. There would be no more democracy, no more liberal freedoms, no more equality between the sexes, homosexuals would be killed and so would apostates. Science would not function under such oppression and neither would free enterprises. So human prosperity would collapse.

I think jihaddism is many, many orders of magnitude worse.

Predict they will violently attack Rafah where the 2 million Palestinians are concentrated without Biden's latest shipment and the death toll will be catastrophic. Predict it will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. They're too deranged not to.