Question to my fellow Muslims.

Why do you guys (those that do) follow the Hadiths? Why do you put so much importance on it?

The Quran is the word of Allah, as told by the Arch Angel Gabriel to the Prophet. It's perfect and must not be overridden. Yet for example, some Muslim countries stone those that commit adultery to the death by stoning, because it says so in the Hadiths.

Does that Quran mention that those that commit adultery, should be stoned? No, it doesn't. In fact the Quran specifies that those who do commit adultery, should be punished by being flogged 80 times. So aren't these countries, putting the Hadith over the Quran?

The Hadiths are man made, and honestly all those tests and what not aren't gonna help. Cause it was written down after the prophet and everyone who knew him in person were long dead. If I tell you I bought a red Mitsubishi for 2000 dollars and you tell others for over a hundred years, without anyone ever writing it down, do you still think that after 100 years, people would tell each other that I bought a red Mitsubishi for 2000 dollars?

Aren't we risking turning the prophet into something more than he was?

Stoning or flogging?

Decisions, decisions!

Did the Quran tell us how to pray? Did it tell us about the other countless specifics of the Islamic faith? Beside in the Quran itself in several occasions, it was mentioned to follow Allah and the prophet Mohammad. Lastly, it is essential to believe that Mohammad as a prophet, his speech and acts were influenced by Allah through many ways including Gabriel himself and through other means.GazaAli

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Did the Quran tell us how to pray? Did it tell us about the other countless specifics of the Islamic faith? Beside in the Quran itself in several occasions, it was mentioned to follow Allah and the prophet Mohammad. Lastly, it is essential to believe that Mohammad as a prophet, his speech and acts were influenced by Allah through many ways including Gabriel himself and through other means.m25105

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Did the Quran tell us how to pray? Did it tell us about the other countless specifics of the Islamic faith? Beside in the Quran itself in several occasions, it was mentioned to follow Allah and the prophet Mohammad. Lastly, it is essential to believe that Mohammad as a prophet, his speech and acts were influenced by Allah through many ways including Gabriel himself and through other means.GazaAli

The point is you don't know the prophet really said that. You have to understand the time the prophet lived in, don't you think a lot of those Arab families just imposed their culture as part of the Hadiths? Not to mention the era during the prophet lived in wasn't exactly very easy to survive in. And no, Allah stated in the Quran that he made it easy for us to understand.

Then some guy writes down supposed words that the Prophet said (that were NEVER written down before) 100 years after he died (so that means even a newborn baby that held the prophets finger, the day before he passed away, wouldn't have been alive when the Hadiths were compiled and written).

For me it's borderline blasphemy how much high the Hadiths are being held up, and in the case of adultery even superseding the Quran, when the Quran is the word of Allah and infallible.

And I repeat, if you do a fixed set of movement, every day (like praying) then that's easy to remember and pass on. If the prophet prayed that way, then it's safe to say it's a correct form of prayer, but that doesn't have anything to do with the Hadiths.

Violence against women is wrong and this flogging/stoning crap is beyond non sense. So in short these so called hadiths are wrong and it doesn't take a Muslim to sort that out.

Violence against women is wrong and this flogging/stoning crap is beyond non sense. So in short these so called hadiths are wrong and it doesn't take a Muslim to sort that out.

junglist101

Violence against women is wrong and this flogging/stoning crap is beyond non sense. So in short these so called hadiths are wrong and it doesn't take a Muslim to sort that out.

junglist101

The Quran says flog - the Hadith say stone!

If the Quran is infallible, why isn't there more flogging going on in the world?

[QUOTE="junglist101"]

Violence against women is wrong and this flogging/stoning crap is beyond non sense. So in short these so called hadiths are wrong and it doesn't take a Muslim to sort that out.

m25105

dont be daft, no one should be an adulterer, killing them is not the answer either

[QUOTE="junglist101"]

Violence against women is wrong and this flogging/stoning crap is beyond non sense. So in short these so called hadiths are wrong and it doesn't take a Muslim to sort that out.

m25105

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="junglist101"]

Violence against women is wrong and this flogging/stoning crap is beyond non sense. So in short these so called hadiths are wrong and it doesn't take a Muslim to sort that out.

junglist101

I hate adultery. So i support the stoning or flogging of those lying cheating sluts

Muslim slut:

I hate adultery. So i support the stoning or flogging of those lying cheating sluts

Muslim slut:

Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="junglist101"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] So in your world only women can be adulterers? m25105

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

I hate adultery. So i support the stoning or flogging of those lying cheating sluts

Muslim slut:

m25105

:cry:

I hate adultery. So i support the stoning or flogging of those lying cheating sluts

Muslim slut:

Ilovegames1992

Dem legs

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

I hate adultery. So i support the stoning or flogging of those lying cheating sluts

Muslim slut:

Sagem28

Dem legs

Fukin stunning

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

I hate adultery. So i support the stoning or flogging of those lying cheating sluts

Muslim slut:

Ilovegames1992

Dem legs

Fukin stunning

Stonning is beyond barbaric, but any book that encourages violence (e.g. flogging) shouldn't be taken seriously at all.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

Dem legs

junglist101

Fukin stunning

I'd throw my stones her way...

The point is you don't know the prophet really said that. You have to understand the time the prophet lived in, don't you think a lot of those Arab families just imposed their culture as part of the Hadiths? Not to mention the era during the prophet lived in wasn't exactly very easy to survive in. And no, Allah stated in the Quran that he made it easy for us to understand.

Then some guy writes down supposed words that the Prophet said (that were NEVER written down before) 100 years after he died (so that means even a newborn baby that held the prophets finger, the day before he passed away, wouldn't have been alive when the Hadiths were compiled and written).

For me it's borderline blasphemy how much high the Hadiths are being held up, and in the case of adultery even superseding the Quran, when the Quran is the word of Allah and infallible.

And I repeat, if you do a fixed set of movement, every day (like praying) then that's easy to remember and pass on. If the prophet prayed that way, then it's safe to say it's a correct form of prayer, but that doesn't have anything to do with the Hadiths.

m25105

That is why we have many classifications of Hadiths and you probably know that. Regardless I as a "liberal" Muslim encourage people's freedom and the right to say what they want and I tend to question everything with an open mind so I really don't want to tell you to go read a certain book or ask some Shiehk about it. However, when I'm lost in anything in this world, i.e Excel formula, I ask someone I trust and acknowledge as knowledgable.

Stonning is beyond barbaric, but any book that encourages violence (e.g. flogging) shouldn't be taken seriously at all.

toast_burner

TC, this is not the place to discuss Islam. It always degenerates into infantile and ignorant comments.

Islam upholds crimes against humanity. How anyone follows and believes in it, in this day and age, is mind boggling. Absolutely abhorrent.

TC, this is not the place to discuss Islam. It always degenerates into infantile and ignorant comments.

EsYuGee

I don't see how saying stoning is wrong, and calling out the bad aspects of Islam, is infantile and ignorant.

I don't see how saying stoning is wrong, and calling out the bad aspects of Islam, is infantile and ignorant.

Ilovegames1992

I don't see how saying stoning is wrong, and calling out the bad aspects of Islam, is infantile and ignorant.

Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

I don't see how saying stoning is wrong, and calling out the bad aspects of Islam, is infantile and ignorant.

Zaibach

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

I don't see how saying stoning is wrong, and calling out the bad aspects of Islam, is infantile and ignorant.

Zaibach

Ok, one post.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

I don't see how saying stoning is wrong, and calling out the bad aspects of Islam, is infantile and ignorant.

Ilovegames1992

Ok, one post.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]read two posts up and see the ignorance this kind of thread evokes

Zaibach

Ok, one post.

Actually, i'm not even going to agree that they are ignorant. Just because you can't argue you against it, don't just claim ignorance.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

I don't see how saying stoning is wrong, and calling out the bad aspects of Islam, is infantile and ignorant.

ColdExistence

I would ask you about the 5 pillars of islam, but you would just google it anyways:P

Yes, Urban dictionary. The source of knowledge. The topic of this thread seems to fly over the head of many people here. m25105

[QUOTE="m25105"]Yes, Urban dictionary. The source of knowledge. The topic of this thread seems to fly over the head of many people here. toast_burner

[QUOTE="m25105"]Yes, Urban dictionary. The source of knowledge. The topic of this thread seems to fly over the head of many people here. toast_burner

Because he was brought up to.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]Yes, Urban dictionary. The source of knowledge. The topic of this thread seems to fly over the head of many people here. Ilovegames1992

Because he was brought up to.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

The point is you don't know the prophet really said that. You have to understand the time the prophet lived in, don't you think a lot of those Arab families just imposed their culture as part of the Hadiths? Not to mention the era during the prophet lived in wasn't exactly very easy to survive in. And no, Allah stated in the Quran that he made it easy for us to understand.

Then some guy writes down supposed words that the Prophet said (that were NEVER written down before) 100 years after he died (so that means even a newborn baby that held the prophets finger, the day before he passed away, wouldn't have been alive when the Hadiths were compiled and written).

For me it's borderline blasphemy how much high the Hadiths are being held up, and in the case of adultery even superseding the Quran, when the Quran is the word of Allah and infallible.

And I repeat, if you do a fixed set of movement, every day (like praying) then that's easy to remember and pass on. If the prophet prayed that way, then it's safe to say it's a correct form of prayer, but that doesn't have anything to do with the Hadiths.

GazaAli

That is why we have many classifications of Hadiths and you probably know that. Regardless I as a "liberal" Muslim encourage people's freedom and the right to say what they want and I tend to question everything with an open mind so I really don't want to tell you to go read a certain book or ask some Shiehk about it. However, when I'm lost in anything in this world, i.e Excel formula, I ask someone I trust and acknowledge as knowledgable.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]I understand what you're asking. You want to know why some people hold theHadith so highly even if it contradicts what is said in the Qu'ran.I want to know why you listen to any of it.

m25105

Because he was brought up to.

So you converted then?

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Ok, one post.

Ilovegames1992

Actually, i'm not even going to agree that they are ignorant. Just because you can't argue you against it, don't just claim ignorance.

Oh I can argue against it but it would require that both parties know about islam beyond what they see on the news and what is filtered through the extremists.

Until then we cant have any real dialougue.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="m25105"]Yes, Urban dictionary. The source of knowledge. The topic of this thread seems to fly over the head of many people here. m25105

[QUOTE="m25105"]Yes, Urban dictionary. The source of knowledge. The topic of this thread seems to fly over the head of many people here. toast_burner

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]count again, look up look down, I'm on a horse

Zaibach

Actually, i'm not even going to agree that they are ignorant. Just because you can't argue you against it, don't just claim ignorance.

Oh I can argue against it but it would require that both parties know about islam beyond what they see on the news and what is filtered through the extremists.

Until then we cant have any real dialougue.

So pointing out the bad stuff of something=not knowing it?

Hmm.