Pastor loses job after questioning hell's existence

Thats ridiculous, his newfound belief that hell probably isnt what most people think makes a lot more sense to me, and I believe would be a better thing to teach people than "go to church, be christian, go to heaven. If not burn in hell".

I lol'd. It is kind of funny how religion in organized religions have become an absolute, and not a dicussion of what "is real" and what "is not." Like it has been throughout history.

well, if there's no hell, then what can the church threaten you with to keep you in the seats?comp_atkins

He should nail his 95 theses to the church door.fidosim

He broke the number one rule at church: don't ask questions.

I'm no Christian, but being a pastor is all about following Christianity as it is. This is the very basic foundation of a religion. If you don't believe in the said religion then you can't be a member of such role as a pastor. Explain to me how this is wrong please.GazaAli

That's like thinking that believing in equal rights for women means you don't believe in Islam.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I'm no Christian, but being a pastor is all about following Christianity as it is. This is the very basic foundation of a religion. If you don't believe in the said religion then you can't be a member of such role as a pastor. Explain to me how this is wrong please.Theokhoth

That's like thinking that believing in equal rights for women means you don't believe in Islam.

well...he is a pastor in a church.

GazaAli

This.

Oh boy another thread for OT to bash religion. :roll:

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I'm no Christian, but being a pastor is all about following Christianity as it is. This is the very basic foundation of a religion. If you don't believe in the said religion then you can't be a member of such role as a pastor. Explain to me how this is wrong please.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="fidosim"]He should nail his 95 theses to the church door.comp_atkins

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I'm no Christian, but being a pastor is all about following Christianity as it is. This is the very basic foundation of a religion. If you don't believe in the said religion then you can't be a member of such role as a pastor. Explain to me how this is wrong please.comp_atkins

That's like thinking that believing in equal rights for women means you don't believe in Islam.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]I'm no Christian, but being a pastor is all about following Christianity as it is. This is the very basic foundation of a religion. If you don't believe in the said religion then you can't be a member of such role as a pastor. Explain to me how this is wrong please.GazaAli

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="fidosim"]He should nail his 95 theses to the church door.fidosim

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]I'm no Christian, but being a pastor is all about following Christianity as it is. This is the very basic foundation of a religion. If you don't believe in the said religion then you can't be a member of such role as a pastor. Explain to me how this is wrong please.GazaAli

There's plenty of Christians who don't believe in Hell, or at least not the traditional concept of it. An old pastor of mine believed it to be a state of being cut off from God rather than a place of eternal torture and punishment.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"] ewwww... oh wait. theses...comp_atkins

Yeah if you want to take the easy route I guess. In your last thread they didnt take the easy route with a retractable roof, no. Flying ships.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Not believing in hell =/= not believing in Christianity.worlock77

There's plenty of Christians who don't believe in Hell, or at least not the traditional concept of it. An old pastor of mine believed it to be a state of being cut off from God rather than a place of eternal torture and punishment.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"] ewwww... oh wait. theses...comp_atkins

Its a methodist Church, there very strict about this stuff...

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"] ok but you diverge from it at least. We all know that Religions and specifically the Abrahamic religions are all about "believing in the entirety" and when you defy this rule, you lose your right to classify yourself as a member of one of these religions. I'm not saying this is good, and I'm not saying this is bad either, I'm just stating the facts of these religions.ferrari2001

There's plenty of Christians who don't believe in Hell, or at least not the traditional concept of it. An old pastor of mine believed it to be a state of being cut off from God rather than a place of eternal torture and punishment.

Not in the sense that most people think of when they think of Hell. Think of it more like being in a place with no light rather than being lashed with chain whips or drowned in boiling blood or whatnot.

As for the argument of "There are a lot of christians who don't believe in hell", I know there are, but I doubt that they follow churches that do believe in hell. This is kind of similar to saying "I want to be a Muslim and pray in a church". There are many branches in Christianity, and some of them may not believe in hell. This particular church does believe in hell. If you want to be a pastor there, you will have to a Christian who believes in hell.GazaAli

Only that's not what you were saying. You were saying that one must believe in Hell if one wants to call themself a Christian.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]As for the argument of "There are a lot of christians who don't believe in hell", I know there are, but I doubt that they follow churches that do believe in hell. This is kind of similar to saying "I want to be a Muslim and pray in a church". There are many branches in Christianity, and some of them may not believe in hell. This particular church does believe in hell. If you want to be a pastor there, you will have to a Christian who believes in hell.worlock77

Only that's not what you were saying. You were saying that one must believe in Hell if one wants to call themself a Christian.

uhhh no,. He said that you need to believe in hell to be pastor at that church.

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

There's plenty of Christians who don't believe in Hell, or at least not the traditional concept of it. An old pastor of mine believed it to be a state of being cut off from God rather than a place of eternal torture and punishment.

worlock77

Not in the sense that most people think of when they think of Hell. Think of it more like being in a place with no light rather than being lashed with chain whips or drowned in boiling blood or whatnot.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Wouldn't being cut off from God be torture and punishment?ferrari2001

Not in the sense that most people think of when they think of Hell. Think of it more like being in a place with no light rather than being lashed with chain whips or drowned in boiling blood or whatnot.

Yes its a state of being completely seperate from god, the worst torcher any one can have.

Oh boy another thread for OT to bash religion. :roll:

Ragnarok1051

Wouldn't being cut off from God be torture and punishment?ferrari2001

Makes sense to me. You shouldn't be a priest/pastor if you don't believe your own religion. Religion should be open to different interpretations, sure, but not if you want to be in charge of it.Ninja-Hippo

pfft, modern religion has lost it's way.

his hand strapped down and a pair of pliers for those sinning fingernails and this heresy would be history.

gimme that old tyme religion! :P

Sure you can question the bible's teachings and what it means anytime. After all if we didn't let people do that the religion wouldn't have changed so much in the last 2000 years. But don't you dare question the part where we threaten people with eternal damnation for minor things if they don't convert and give us money >:IAce6301

This was a methodist church they believe very stongly in what they believe. Other denominations would be a more leniant

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Sure you can question the bible's teachings and what it means anytime. After all if we didn't let people do that the religion wouldn't have changed so much in the last 2000 years. But don't you dare question the part where we threaten people with eternal damnation for minor things if they don't convert and give us money >:IFundai

This was a methodist church they believe very stongly in what they believe. Other denominations would be a more leniant

I don't see a problem with that, to be honest. It would be like a buddhist teacher speaking against reincarnation or a sikh teacher speaking againt the 5 Ks.

Congregations fire pastors all the time because they don't like what they are preaching.

Officer Barbrady says: "Move along people. Nothing to see here."

why isnt he a jew?

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you." (Matthew 5:11-12)

What's he doing questioning hell's existence? He should be outright stating the fact that hell doesn't exist.Theokhoth

I don't see a problem with that, to be honest. It would be like a buddhist teacher speaking against reincarnation or a sikh teacher speaking againt the 5 Ks.

dracula_16

Jews don't believe in hell last time I checked.