One thing I just realized about The Avengers (SPOILERS)

I've seen the Avengers twice in theaters already, and of course it's fantastic and everything but there's one thing I just realized about Captain America. In his movie last year, he knew Howard Stark, whom you probably know as Tony Stark (Iron Man)'s father. Obviously, Rogers and Stark meet in The Avengers, and they get pretty heated shortly after, perhaps having the biggest personal/non-violent conflict within the group. However, I must point out that Rogers never says anything about Tony's dad. He never tells him he knew him or mentions him or even compares him to Tony during their intense argument (Rogers basically calls him selfish, arrogant and conceited, and that he'd be nothing without his suit, going so far as saying, "I know guys with none of that [billionaire, genius, playboy, philanthropist] worth ten of you.") This seemed like the perfect spot for Captain to say something about his father Howard and draw a similarity between them, i.e. say something like, "you're no different from your father, Howard." The argument could've gotten even more heated after that as Tony takes personal offense about the reference to his father, possibly ensuing a fight between the two.

I understand time was tight and Whedon did a tremendous job giving each character the appropriate amount of development and interaction, but I would've thought Rogers would've at least mentioned Tony's father since he literally meets and works with him before becoming cryogenically frozen. This was never addressed in the Avengers; what do you all make of that?

Could it be that he didn't think about Tony Stark's dad? Even then, maybe he didn't think about him that way at all. I don't recall Howard Stark ever acting like that with Cap around.

I liked something I read on another board, Tony has his rivalry with Cap because he's essentially the brother he never had (I recall Tony mentioning how his father used to praise Cap, thus jealousy ensues). Cap was an icon and Howard's pride.

Personally (and this is probably unfounded), pulling the "you're just like your father!" card would be kind of groan-worthy, and Cap wouldn't stoop to that. Don't know who to give credit to for this, but I thought they did a really good job of making Cap mature and level-headed. Stark gets all the funny lines, but Cap is the rightful leader of the team.

Saw the movie yesterday... went in with high expectations because of all the good things I heard about it... came out disappointed. The movie was good and entertaining but not the masterpiece I was expecting due to the hype around it. kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Saw the movie yesterday... went in with high expectations because of all the good things I heard about it... came out disappointed. The movie was good and entertaining but not the masterpiece I was expecting due to the hype around it. Solid_Tango

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Saw the movie yesterday... went in with high expectations because of all the good things I heard about it... came out disappointed. The movie was good and entertaining but not the masterpiece I was expecting due to the hype around it. Solid_Tango

Not sure why trolling is necessary. A lot of Marvel's films have been terrific in the past (Iron Man, Spider-Man, X-Men, Captain America) so there isn't much of a surprise that this movie also turned out that way.

I guess the only ones you've seen are Ghost Rider, Elektra, Punisher, Fantastic Four, the like? Because in that case your post would make sense but even then I wouldn't see it as a cause for being a troll...

Why would the Cap bring up Tony's father in an argument about who Tony is? He had no beef with Tony's dad, just Tony. Captain America isn't a guy who needs to dig up the past to throw more flames on the fire like so many people today need to.

Why would the Cap bring up Tony's father in an argument about who Tony is? He had no beef with Tony's dad, just Tony. Captain America isn't a guy who needs to dig up the past to throw more flames on the fire like so many people today need to.

Wasdie

Then he could've pointed out how different he is from his father.

Why would the Cap bring up Tony's father in an argument about who Tony is? He had no beef with Tony's dad, just Tony. Captain America isn't a guy who needs to dig up the past to throw more flames on the fire like so many people today need to.

Wasdie

This is a good example of his levelheadedness, which is exactly what the Avengers need. They may all be powerful and Thor may have more battle training and experience than all of them combined (not completely sure about that, but I'm guessing he does), but Cap' has a couple key things that make him the best choice as leader of the team. First, he was a major part of World War II's many battles. So, he's a highly experienced soldier with knowledge of the battlefield.

The others have also been through battles, most notably Thor, but that leads to my point: He's human. This is most obvious when compared to Iron Man, Hulk, and Thor. Because his strength is incomparable to theirs, it makes him the balance of the team. Even though he isn't as strong as the heroes mentioned before, he is at the peak of human potential. At least, the physical peak. This image of his role as leader becomes more obvious when you factor in Black Widow and Hawkeye, who don't really have superpowers.Being a patriotic soldier, I would argue that he's the most disciplined of the group, as well.

[QUOTE="Solid_Tango"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Saw the movie yesterday... went in with high expectations because of all the good things I heard about it... came out disappointed. The movie was good and entertaining but not the masterpiece I was expecting due to the hype around it. kuraimen

The thing is, how could it have possibly been that good? The Batman movies focus on one character each, mostly Batman in the first, mostly Joker in the second. When you have six heros that all share the spotlight, its very difficult to flesh each out and give them due screen time. Batman was better, but the Avengers was as good as it could have possibly been in my opinion. I don't think it was the greatest thing ever, but people really went in for the action and got some good jokes, solid development, and some great action. To ask for the depth of TDK too is a little much imo.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Solid_Tango"] YOU EXPECTED A MASTER PIECE? A MASTER PIECE? OF A MARVEL ACTION HEROES MOVIE? aahahahahahhhahahhahahah wait let me laugh harder HAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. It was a good action flick and it was too good if you think about the other crappy super heroes movies XDRandomWinner

The thing is, how could it have possibly been that good? The Batman movies focus on one character each, mostly Batman in the first, mostly Joker in the second. When you have six heros that all share the spotlight, its very difficult to flesh each out and give them due screen time. Batman was better, but the Avengers was as good as it could have possibly been in my opinion. I don't think it was the greatest thing ever, but people really went in for the action and got some good jokes, solid development, and some great action. To ask for the depth of TDK too is a little much imo.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well I was expecting it to be at least on par with the Batman movies but it was much more flash than substance. kuraimen

The thing is, how could it have possibly been that good? The Batman movies focus on one character each, mostly Batman in the first, mostly Joker in the second. When you have six heros that all share the spotlight, its very difficult to flesh each out and give them due screen time. Batman was better, but the Avengers was as good as it could have possibly been in my opinion. I don't think it was the greatest thing ever, but people really went in for the action and got some good jokes, solid development, and some great action. To ask for the depth of TDK too is a little much imo.

I saw that thread, but the only ones claiming Loki was better just thought Ledger was overrated. Overhyping something is the worst thing you can do for any media, it ruins something that's still great. First Class was very good, it was very different though, more of an origin story and it only really focused on X and Magneto. I don't know which I liked better, that's pretty close. The first Ironman I haven't seen in a while, so I can't compare it. TDK is still my favorite superhero movie, but I refuse to watch Watchmen until I read the Graphic Novel.

Yea, I haven't remembered that. It could be a thing nice to see.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Why would the Cap bring up Tony's father in an argument about who Tony is? He had no beef with Tony's dad, just Tony. Captain America isn't a guy who needs to dig up the past to throw more flames on the fire like so many people today need to.

Tigerman950

Then he could've pointed out how different he is from his father.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="RandomWinner"]

The thing is, how could it have possibly been that good? The Batman movies focus on one character each, mostly Batman in the first, mostly Joker in the second. When you have six heros that all share the spotlight, its very difficult to flesh each out and give them due screen time. Batman was better, but the Avengers was as good as it could have possibly been in my opinion. I don't think it was the greatest thing ever, but people really went in for the action and got some good jokes, solid development, and some great action. To ask for the depth of TDK too is a little much imo.

RandomWinner

I saw that thread, but the only ones claiming Loki was better just thought Ledger was overrated. Overhyping something is the worst thing you can do for any media, it ruins something that's still great. First Class was very good, it was very different though, more of an origin story and it only really focused on X and Magneto. I don't know which I liked better, that's pretty close. The first Ironman I haven't seen in a while, so I can't compare it. TDK is still my favorite superhero movie, but I refuse to watch Watchmen until I read the Graphic Novel.

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Agree but it was just because of the hype surrounding it. For example I remember seeing people comparing the actor who did Loki's performance as good as the last Batman's Joker or people saying it was the best superhero movie of all time. So I guess the over-hype got to me and I expected too much. The movie was not bad though I liked it. Although as an purely action superhero movie with relatively shallow topics I think I still prefer the first Ironman or even X-Men: First Class. Superhero movies with deeper topics I still think the Dark Knight and Watchmen are still the best.kuraimen

I saw that thread, but the only ones claiming Loki was better just thought Ledger was overrated. Overhyping something is the worst thing you can do for any media, it ruins something that's still great. First Class was very good, it was very different though, more of an origin story and it only really focused on X and Magneto. I don't know which I liked better, that's pretty close. The first Ironman I haven't seen in a while, so I can't compare it. TDK is still my favorite superhero movie, but I refuse to watch Watchmen until I read the Graphic Novel.

I heard it was pretty much panel by panel. I have the graphic novel sitting right next to me above my dresser right now. I just have to open it. I've been so busy though! Once I graduate, I'll have 3 free weeks before I start working. I discussed it a little with a friend, and I really can't wait to get into it. It sounds very smart!

Besides, how can the movie be better if the Graphic Novel is a masterpiece? There's so much the movie will miss because you can't stop and look at a previous shot in the middle, it breaks it.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="RandomWinner"]

I saw that thread, but the only ones claiming Loki was better just thought Ledger was overrated. Overhyping something is the worst thing you can do for any media, it ruins something that's still great. First Class was very good, it was very different though, more of an origin story and it only really focused on X and Magneto. I don't know which I liked better, that's pretty close. The first Ironman I haven't seen in a while, so I can't compare it. TDK is still my favorite superhero movie, but I refuse to watch Watchmen until I read the Graphic Novel.

RandomWinner

I heard it was pretty much panel by panel. I have the graphic novel sitting right next to me above my dresser right now. I just have to open it. I've been so busy though! Once I graduate, I'll have 3 free weeks before I start working. I discussed it a little with a friend, and I really can't wait to get into it. It sounds very smart!

Besides, how can the movie be better if the Graphic Novel is a masterpiece? There's so much the movie will miss because you can't stop and look at a previous shot in the middle, it breaks it.

Saw the movie yesterday... went in with high expectations because of all the good things I heard about it... came out disappointed. The movie was good and entertaining but not the masterpiece I was expecting due to the hype around it. kuraimen

[QUOTE="RandomWinner"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Well I was expecting it to be at least on par with the Batman movies but it was much more flash than substance. kuraimen

The thing is, how could it have possibly been that good? The Batman movies focus on one character each, mostly Batman in the first, mostly Joker in the second. When you have six heros that all share the spotlight, its very difficult to flesh each out and give them due screen time. Batman was better, but the Avengers was as good as it could have possibly been in my opinion. I don't think it was the greatest thing ever, but people really went in for the action and got some good jokes, solid development, and some great action. To ask for the depth of TDK too is a little much imo.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="RandomWinner"]

The thing is, how could it have possibly been that good? The Batman movies focus on one character each, mostly Batman in the first, mostly Joker in the second. When you have six heros that all share the spotlight, its very difficult to flesh each out and give them due screen time. Batman was better, but the Avengers was as good as it could have possibly been in my opinion. I don't think it was the greatest thing ever, but people really went in for the action and got some good jokes, solid development, and some great action. To ask for the depth of TDK too is a little much imo.

Hexagon_777

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Agree but it was just because of the hype surrounding it. For example I remember seeing people comparing the actor who did Loki's performance as good as the last Batman's Joker or people saying it was the best superhero movie of all time. So I guess the over-hype got to me and I expected too much. The movie was not bad though I liked it. Although as an purely action superhero movie with relatively shallow topics I think I still prefer the first Ironman or even X-Men: First Class. Superhero movies with deeper topics I still think the Dark Knight and Watchmen are still the best.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Whoa, our opinions seem to be quite similar! I definitely didn't see how Loki was close to The Joker, or how it's the best superhero of all time. Possibly the best Marvel movie, but otherwise? And yea, The Watchmen and The Dark Knight have spoiled me.

Hexagon_777

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The Watchman was a very slow start.....so I turned the movie off.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]You seemed like the type to handle slow starts better than what I assume to be ADD ridden teenagers frequenting these boards and the internet in general.

Hexagon_777

Maybe he did mention it but it was cut from the film. The original cut of the movie was suppose to be 3 hours long. So we have lots of deleted scenes to look forward to when it comes out on DVD.:)

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Oh I plan on watching it some day. But I wasn't in a good mood and the movie didn't pull me in right away. I'll give it another chance some time soon. Promise.LJS9502_basic