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#1 MrPraline
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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/15/politics/gun-laws-battle/index.html

Washington (CNN) -- A package of gun control proposals including a ban on assault weapons will be unveiled on Wednesday by President Barack Obama in response to last month's Connecticut school massacre. Obama and Vice President Joe Biden will announce the proposals, White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters on Tuesday. They will be joined by a group of children who wrote letters to the president in the aftermath of the December 14 shooting rampage by a lone gunman who killed 20 students and six adults at a Newtown elementary school, Carney said. Obama will propose legislative steps he previously has backed, such as a ban on assault weapons, restrictions on high-capacity ammunition magazines and strengthening federal background checks of people attempting to buy guns, according to Carney. The president also will push for other steps that could include executive actions on his part that don't require congressional approval, Carney noted.

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Given his record I don't fully trust him to be wise about this.

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This won't end well.

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what a day in OT that will be.

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Given his record I don't fully trust him to be wise about this.

jim_shorts
Me neither. The fact he's presenting this surrounded by "children who wrote letters in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting' is proof of how much agitprop we will continue to be slapped around with. smh.
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#6 MrPraline
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This won't end well.

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It's funny to me that they are still focusing on "assault weapons" or "semi assault weapons". Such an obvious red herring but nobody really sees it as what it is. A mindless distraction.
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Good, something needs to change.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

This won't end well.

MrPraline

It's funny to me that they are still focusing on "assault weapons" or "semi assault weapons". Such an obvious red herring but nobody really sees it as what it is. A mindless distraction.

The level of ignorance regarding what an "assault weapon" is scary. Assault weapons have been banned for quite awhile, as you know. New York State just passed a law banning magazines over 7 rounds. It does quite a few other unnecessary things as well.

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I think he is over stepping his powers here. Why the F would we have a congress if the president could just bypass them, even on this subject? The 2nd admendment is being stripped down.

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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]

Given his record I don't fully trust him to be wise about this.

MrPraline
Me neither. The fact he's presenting this surrounded by "children who wrote letters in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting' is proof of how much agitprop we will continue to be slapped around with. smh.

Oh gosh. This is going to be painful.
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I watched PBS Newshour on this issue and the President basically said that many of the things that will come out of this task force will have to be approved by congress (better backround checks, the gun show loophole, etc). He also never said what action his office can take, but I'm sure it's much more limited in scope then anything that will require new legislation.

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

This won't end well.

hartsickdiscipl

It's funny to me that they are still focusing on "assault weapons" or "semi assault weapons". Such an obvious red herring but nobody really sees it as what it is. A mindless distraction.

The level of ignorance regarding what an "assault weapon" is scary. Assault weapons have been banned for quite awhile, as you know. New York State just passed a law banning magazines over 7 rounds. It does quite a few other unnecessary things as well.

Yeah. And now they're focusing on sporting rifles that look like "assault weapons". What a joke. As Ben Shapiro said, just argue to ban all guns instead, would make Piers Morgan et al look a lot more honest.
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He's gonna introduce a bill named after one of the killed children.

Calling it.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] It's funny to me that they are still focusing on "assault weapons" or "semi assault weapons". Such an obvious red herring but nobody really sees it as what it is. A mindless distraction. MrPraline

The level of ignorance regarding what an "assault weapon" is scary. Assault weapons have been banned for quite awhile, as you know. New York State just passed a law banning magazines over 7 rounds. It does quite a few other unnecessary things as well.

Yeah. And now they're focusing on sporting rifles that look like "assault weapons". What a joke. As Ben Shapiro said, just argue to ban all guns instead, would make Piers Morgan et al look a lot more honest.

When you present the ignorant left with the relevant statistics, they have nothing to say. Anyone can look up the stats and see that handguns are responsible for the vast majority of shootings. Instead of at least targeting the real perceived problem, they cower and spout off nonsense about "assault weapons" that aren't even being used. It's pathetic.

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Watching my facebook feed should be fun tomorrow. By fun I mean f*cking awful
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He's gonna introduce a bill named after one of the killed children.

Calling it.

Slashless
The "republicans voted against protecting litlle children" is already taken.
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Nothing more than an emotional kneejerk reaction.

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

The level of ignorance regarding what an "assault weapon" is scary. Assault weapons have been banned for quite awhile, as you know. New York State just passed a law banning magazines over 7 rounds. It does quite a few other unnecessary things as well.

hartsickdiscipl

Yeah. And now they're focusing on sporting rifles that look like "assault weapons". What a joke. As Ben Shapiro said, just argue to ban all guns instead, would make Piers Morgan et al look a lot more honest.

When you present the ignorant left with the relevant statistics, they have nothing to say. Anyone can look up the stats and see that handguns are responsible for the vast majority of shootings. Instead of at least targeting the real perceived problem, they cower and spout off nonsense about "assault weapons" that aren't even being used. It's pathetic.

You'd b!tch no matter what Obama would do.

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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Yeah. And now they're focusing on sporting rifles that look like "assault weapons". What a joke. As Ben Shapiro said, just argue to ban all guns instead, would make Piers Morgan et al look a lot more honest.DaJuicyMan

When you present the ignorant left with the relevant statistics, they have nothing to say. Anyone can look up the stats and see that handguns are responsible for the vast majority of shootings. Instead of at least targeting the real perceived problem, they cower and spout off nonsense about "assault weapons" that aren't even being used. It's pathetic.

You'd b!tch no matter what Obama would do.

I'd be okay with it if he resigned.
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] Yeah. And now they're focusing on sporting rifles that look like "assault weapons". What a joke. As Ben Shapiro said, just argue to ban all guns instead, would make Piers Morgan et al look a lot more honest.DaJuicyMan

When you present the ignorant left with the relevant statistics, they have nothing to say. Anyone can look up the stats and see that handguns are responsible for the vast majority of shootings. Instead of at least targeting the real perceived problem, they cower and spout off nonsense about "assault weapons" that aren't even being used. It's pathetic.

You'd b!tch no matter what Obama would do.

If he understood the intent of the 2nd Amendment and indeed the very nature of the US Constitution, I wouldn't feel compelled to say anything. He has repeatedly shown a propensity for knee-jerk reactions and a "Barry knows best" mentality. He stands there and addresses the nation about what "the majority of Americans want." It's a joke.

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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

When you present the ignorant left with the relevant statistics, they have nothing to say. Anyone can look up the stats and see that handguns are responsible for the vast majority of shootings. Instead of at least targeting the real perceived problem, they cower and spout off nonsense about "assault weapons" that aren't even being used. It's pathetic.

MrPraline

You'd b!tch no matter what Obama would do.

I'd be okay with it if he resigned.

This.

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What an awful piece of kabuki theater. Parading kids around to further any agenda is despicable.

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"] You'd b!tch no matter what Obama would do.

hartsickdiscipl

I'd be okay with it if he resigned.

This.

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"] You'd b!tch no matter what Obama would do.

hartsickdiscipl

I'd be okay with it if he resigned.

This.

also, skip to 1:46 on this song first 4 lines of that verse are beautiful
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] It's funny to me that they are still focusing on "assault weapons" or "semi assault weapons". Such an obvious red herring but nobody really sees it as what it is. A mindless distraction. MrPraline

The level of ignorance regarding what an "assault weapon" is scary. Assault weapons have been banned for quite awhile, as you know. New York State just passed a law banning magazines over 7 rounds. It does quite a few other unnecessary things as well.

Yeah. And now they're focusing on sporting rifles that look like "assault weapons". What a joke. As Ben Shapiro said, just argue to ban all guns instead, would make Piers Morgan et al look a lot more honest.

Banning "LOOK a LIKES" is what they are doing? So we have to take away kids Squirt Guns?
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] I'd be okay with it if he resigned.dave123321

This.

C'mon

Do you guys really think Joe Biden would be much different?

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

The level of ignorance regarding what an "assault weapon" is scary. Assault weapons have been banned for quite awhile, as you know. New York State just passed a law banning magazines over 7 rounds. It does quite a few other unnecessary things as well.

FreddyJeffery
Yeah. And now they're focusing on sporting rifles that look like "assault weapons". What a joke. As Ben Shapiro said, just argue to ban all guns instead, would make Piers Morgan et al look a lot more honest.

Banning "LOOK a LIKES" is what they are doing? So we have to take away kids Squirt Guns?

Here's another one:
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#28 MrPraline
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What an awful piece of kabuki theater. Parading kids around to further any agenda is despicable.

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Agreed. And it's barely a month after Barry's other piece of kabuki theater, the "fiscal cliff" puppet show. Eager to perform, this guy.
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

The level of ignorance regarding what an "assault weapon" is scary. Assault weapons have been banned for quite awhile, as you know. New York State just passed a law banning magazines over 7 rounds. It does quite a few other unnecessary things as well.

FreddyJeffery

Yeah. And now they're focusing on sporting rifles that look like "assault weapons". What a joke. As Ben Shapiro said, just argue to ban all guns instead, would make Piers Morgan et al look a lot more honest.

Banning "LOOK a LIKES" is what they are doing? So we have to take away kids Squirt Guns?

Having a kid run around with a squirt gun that looks like that in a city is a great way for the kid to get shot for real

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[QUOTE="FreddyJeffery"][QUOTE="MrPraline"] Yeah. And now they're focusing on sporting rifles that look like "assault weapons". What a joke. As Ben Shapiro said, just argue to ban all guns instead, would make Piers Morgan et al look a lot more honest.JML897

Banning "LOOK a LIKES" is what they are doing? So we have to take away kids Squirt Guns?

Having a kid run around with a squirt gun that looks like that in a city is a great way for the kid to get shot for real

Not the point, should we ban Squirt Guns is the question I am asking you? We haven't even gotten to the reaistic arcade guns yet.
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] I'd be okay with it if he resigned.MrPraline

This.

also, skip to 1:46 on this song first 4 lines of that verse are beautiful

How true

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[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="FreddyJeffery"] Banning "LOOK a LIKES" is what they are doing? So we have to take away kids Squirt Guns?FreddyJeffery

Having a kid run around with a squirt gun that looks like that in a city is a great way for the kid to get shot for real

Not the point, should we ban Squirt Guns is the question I am asking you? We haven't even gotten to the reaistic arcade guns yet.

Probably not but I think a squirt gun that makes itself look like a real gun is a really f*cking bad idea

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LOL This presdent was reelected in a electoral landslide and you want him to resign? On what basis? I'm proud he has the courage to deal with this issue in the face of so much opposition for a very vocal minority. Like it or not the majority of this country reelected this man and he hid nothing about what he planned to do in a second term. Maybe if you folks were about the organize the bat-sh!t party and actually find some time to have a platform instead of monday morning quarterbacking, you'd actually gain some traction with the american public.

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Would be hilarious if he lessened controls on guns, and increased funding on preventing mental breakdowns. Oh wait... that wouldn't be hilarious, that would be expected in this situation. What would be hilarious is if he based his decisions off of the knee-jerk emotional reaction to what amounts to a very tiny number of American murder victims, with no voice for the other 97% killed with weapons that aren't guns.
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LOL This presdent was reelected in a electoral landslide and you want him to resign? On what basis? I'm proud he has the courage to deal with this issue in the face of so much opposition for a very vocal minority. Like it or not the majority of this country reelected this man and he hid nothing about what he planned to do in a second term. Maybe if you folks were about the organize the bat-sh!t party and actually find some time to have a platform instead of monday morning quarterbacking, you'd actually gain some traction with the american public.

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He was re-elected. But uhm. He had one serious opponent. A guy who was identical on foreign policy. On health care. On monetary policies. For all intents and purposes he was running against himself. Well, the clone was against gay marriage instead of being merely apathetic. Ok that's a difference.
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] I'd be okay with it if he resigned.MrPraline

This.

also, skip to 1:46 on this song first 4 lines of that verse are beautiful

I prefer to get my political preferences from dubstep.. Seriously though, Vinnie Paz believes the Illuminati is real :lol:
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LOL This presdent was reelected in a electoral landslide and you want him to resign? On what basis? I'm proud he has the courage to deal with this issue in the face of so much opposition for a very vocal minority. Like it or not the majority of this country reelected this man and he hid nothing about what he planned to do in a second term. Maybe if you folks were about the organize the bat-sh!t party and actually find some time to have a platform instead of monday morning quarterbacking, you'd actually gain some traction with the american public.

Yusuke420

It's all about the $$$$$$$. Electoral landslide when the electoral college is a joke. Less than 20% of the people in the US voted for Obama.

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LOL This presdent was reelected in a electoral landslide and you want him to resign? On what basis? I'm proud he has the courage to deal with this issue in the face of so much opposition for a very vocal minority. Like it or not the majority of this country reelected this man and he hid nothing about what he planned to do in a second term. Maybe if you folks were about the organize the bat-sh!t party and actually find some time to have a platform instead of monday morning quarterbacking, you'd actually gain some traction with the american public.

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The constitution was designed to protect minorities.

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[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Would be hilarious if he lessened controls on guns, and increased funding on preventing mental breakdowns. Oh wait... that wouldn't be hilarious, that would be expected in this situation. What would be hilarious is if he based his decisions off of the knee-jerk emotional reaction to what amounts to a very tiny number of American murder victims, with no voice for the other 97% killed with weapons that aren't guns.

That would be a reasonable solution. But Barack is all about knee jerk. All about emotional. All about exploiting tragedies to fuel his desire to ban guns. Well. not all guns. He is going to be protected by armed officers for life. The celebrities that acted in "DEMAND A PLAN" will too. All guns there. But the average wage slave should just bend over and f*ck off.
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] I'd be okay with it if he resigned.dave123321

This.

Didn't you vote for him, Dave? I distinctly remember you saying that.

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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

LOL This presdent was reelected in a electoral landslide and you want him to resign? On what basis? I'm proud he has the courage to deal with this issue in the face of so much opposition for a very vocal minority. Like it or not the majority of this country reelected this man and he hid nothing about what he planned to do in a second term. Maybe if you folks were about the organize the bat-sh!t party and actually find some time to have a platform instead of monday morning quarterbacking, you'd actually gain some traction with the american public.

MrPraline

He was re-elected. But uhm. He had one serious opponent. A guy who was identical on foreign policy. On health care. On monetary policies. For all intents and purposes he was running against himself. Well, the clone was against gay marriage instead of being merely apathetic. Ok that's a difference.

They did not have the same monitary policies, what are you talking about? Romney would have extended the Bush Tax cuts to EVERYONE instead of just those below 400k, then he would have DOUBLED spending on defense. Those are the major reasons he lost, did you not pay attention at all during the election?

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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

This.

DaJuicyMan
also, skip to 1:46 on this song first 4 lines of that verse are beautiful

I prefer to get my political preferences from dubstep.. Seriously though, Vinnie Paz believes the Illuminati is real :lol:

There's plenty of things I don't agree with Vinnie on. But I thought it was pretty cool he admitted to being wrong after his god awful "All we need is Obama" line on their 2008 album.
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Would be hilarious if he lessened controls on guns, and increased funding on preventing mental breakdowns. Oh wait... that wouldn't be hilarious, that would be expected in this situation. What would be hilarious is if he based his decisions off of the knee-jerk emotional reaction to what amounts to a very tiny number of American murder victims, with no voice for the other 97% killed with weapons that aren't guns.MrPraline
That would be a reasonable solution. But Barack is all about knee jerk. All about emotional. All about exploiting tragedies to fuel his desire to ban guns. Well. not all guns. He is going to be protected by armed officers for life. The celebrities that acted in "DEMAND A PLAN" will too. All guns there. But the average wage slave should just bend over and f*ck off.

Funny how that works. Self-propelled stomachs like Michael Moore who preach against guns and then hire armed guards are just fine. Obama's kids go to a school with 11 armed guards. Obviously he thinks that's a good solution to protect the children. It's good for him, but not for the American people. Such a hypocrite. Scary and dangerous.

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#44 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

LOL This presdent was reelected in a electoral landslide and you want him to resign? On what basis? I'm proud he has the courage to deal with this issue in the face of so much opposition for a very vocal minority. Like it or not the majority of this country reelected this man and he hid nothing about what he planned to do in a second term. Maybe if you folks were about the organize the bat-sh!t party and actually find some time to have a platform instead of monday morning quarterbacking, you'd actually gain some traction with the american public.

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He was re-elected. But uhm. He had one serious opponent. A guy who was identical on foreign policy. On health care. On monetary policies. For all intents and purposes he was running against himself. Well, the clone was against gay marriage instead of being merely apathetic. Ok that's a difference.

They did not have the same monitary policies, what are you talking about? Romney would have extended the Bush Tax cuts to EVERYONE instead of just those below 400k, then he would have DOUBLED spending on defense. Those are the major reasons he lost, did you not pay attention at all during the election?

I paid attention. Zoned out every now and then on account of it being such a puppet show and a joke. But a few cuts there and there do not really mean much. There wouldn't have been a real difference if Romney won in November. Just a different face.
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#45 GazaAli
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Such a violation of the second amendment, if anything he should be legalizing tanks and F16s.
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#46 MrPraline
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[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="Zeviander"]Would be hilarious if he lessened controls on guns, and increased funding on preventing mental breakdowns. Oh wait... that wouldn't be hilarious, that would be expected in this situation. What would be hilarious is if he based his decisions off of the knee-jerk emotional reaction to what amounts to a very tiny number of American murder victims, with no voice for the other 97% killed with weapons that aren't guns.hartsickdiscipl

That would be a reasonable solution. But Barack is all about knee jerk. All about emotional. All about exploiting tragedies to fuel his desire to ban guns. Well. not all guns. He is going to be protected by armed officers for life. The celebrities that acted in "DEMAND A PLAN" will too. All guns there. But the average wage slave should just bend over and f*ck off.

Funny how that works. Self-propelled stomachs like Michael Moore who preach against guns and then hire armed guards are just fine. Obama's kids go to a school with 11 armed guards. Obviously he thinks that's a good solution to protect the children. It's good for him, but not for the American people. Such a hypocrite. Scary and dangerous.

Yep, definitely.
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#47 JML897
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Such a violation of the second amendment, if anything he should be legalizing tanks and F16s.GazaAli
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#48 Yusuke420
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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

LOL This presdent was reelected in a electoral landslide and you want him to resign? On what basis? I'm proud he has the courage to deal with this issue in the face of so much opposition for a very vocal minority. Like it or not the majority of this country reelected this man and he hid nothing about what he planned to do in a second term. Maybe if you folks were about the organize the bat-sh!t party and actually find some time to have a platform instead of monday morning quarterbacking, you'd actually gain some traction with the american public.

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It's all about the $$$$$$$. Electoral landslide when the electoral college is a joke. Less than 20% of the people in the US voted for Obama.

People who refuse to participate in the electoral process, can not **** when they aren't being represented in the manner they see fit. It's silly to include people who don't vote in that estimate because A. we don't know how they would have voted and B. they chose to forgo their ability to inflence elections. Also ROMNEY outraised the president and still lost. Money couldn't buy the conservatives the election and now they are stamping their feet like a child having a tantrum.

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#49 FreddyJeffery
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[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

LOL This presdent was reelected in a electoral landslide and you want him to resign? On what basis? I'm proud he has the courage to deal with this issue in the face of so much opposition for a very vocal minority. Like it or not the majority of this country reelected this man and he hid nothing about what he planned to do in a second term. Maybe if you folks were about the organize the bat-sh!t party and actually find some time to have a platform instead of monday morning quarterbacking, you'd actually gain some traction with the american public.

MrPraline
He was re-elected. But uhm. He had one serious opponent. A guy who was identical on foreign policy. On health care. On monetary policies. For all intents and purposes he was running against himself. Well, the clone was against gay marriage instead of being merely apathetic. Ok that's a difference.

Obama was also agianst Gay marriage just that Romney wasn't a **** and didn't try to hide feelings for an easy election win. Obama has touched on the issue previously, he will change sides that give him the votes on many issues. Although Romney did not do this he was stupid. So what choice was there?
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#50 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

LOL This presdent was reelected in a electoral landslide and you want him to resign? On what basis? I'm proud he has the courage to deal with this issue in the face of so much opposition for a very vocal minority. Like it or not the majority of this country reelected this man and he hid nothing about what he planned to do in a second term. Maybe if you folks were about the organize the bat-sh!t party and actually find some time to have a platform instead of monday morning quarterbacking, you'd actually gain some traction with the american public.

Yusuke420

It's all about the $$$$$$$. Electoral landslide when the electoral college is a joke. Less than 20% of the people in the US voted for Obama.

People who refuse to participate in the electoral process, can not **** when they aren't being represented in the manner they see fit. It's silly to include people who don't vote in that estimate because A. we don't know how they would have voted and B. they chose to forgo their ability to inflence elections. Also ROMNEY outraised the president and still lost. Money couldn't buy the conservatives the election and now they are stamping their feet like a child having a tantrum.

I'm pretty sure Obama raised more money overall.