Obama shaping up to be one of the most succesful presidents since Reagan or FDR

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#1 ColonelDrakePS3
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Seriously, Obama has accomplished more in little over a year than most presidents wish to accomplish their entire run as president. Healthcare reform (its not a perfect bill but its a huge start) major nuke treaty signed with russia the biggest in 2 decades, Financial reform all but certain to pass, Dont Ask Dont Tell on the way to pass by the end of this year, revived our economy from a potential great depression part 2 (Jobs growing again, GDP growing for 3 consecutive quarters). So for no terrorist attacks (keyword attacks, those that attempted to attack us have been caught and are talking and giving valid information) the iraq war still on track to end in 3 months.

I was a big fan of Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan (I would consider myself a Reagan democrat) im a moderate with a slight left lean, i have to say Obama is doing on hell of a job.. His approval numbers might not show it now, but then again lets keep in mind that both Reagan and Clinton where both at a 39% approval rating at this same poing in their presidencies.

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If you call getting bills passed that the majority doesn't want success, he has been successful. If you call claiming "racial profilling" about bills that don't racially profile and putting cops in danger success, then yeah I guess.

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Watch the economy collapse is another few years.

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If you call getting bills passed that the majority doesn't want success, he has been successful. If you call claiming "racial profilling" about bills that don't racially profile and putting cops in danger success, then yeah I guess.

narlymech
Thats not true. With the healthcare bill when pollsters asked people about the actual provisions in the bill, a heatly majority approved of it.. 65% want financial reform, the stimulus worked.
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#5 Serraph105
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Watch the economy collapse is another few years.

SgtKevali

its not impossible but personally I think we will see that Obama has made several long term decisions that will pay off bigger than the short term ones he could have been making to get higher poll numbers.

also this

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He hasn't done much of note as of yet. Most of his policies are against the majority wishes. Reagan....not what I'd call a good example.
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Watch the economy collapse is another few years.

SgtKevali
yep. if he gets another term he might even be the president forced to enact T-bill defaults. now thats going to hurt his chances for greatest president ever
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#9 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Watch the economy collapse is another few years.

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yep. if he gets another term he might even be the president forced to enact T-bill defaults. now thats going to hurt his chances for greatest president ever

I dont think that is what he is going for at all.
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The only thing Obama shares in common with Reagan and FDR is that he is incredibly charismatic. As far as being a president, he's not even close to their levels of success. And that's really saying something when you take into account that Reagan really wasn't that great.

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The only thing Obama shares in common with Reagan and FDR is that he is incredibly charismatic. As far as being as president, he's not even close to their levels of success.

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I thought you were banned. :o
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The only thing Obama shares in common with Reagan and FDR is that he is incredibly charismatic. As far as being as president, he's not even close to their levels of success.

Dark_Knight6
Reagan is considered successfull??
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What did FDR do besides waste money?

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[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

The only thing Obama shares in common with Reagan and FDR is that he is incredibly charismatic. As far as being as president, he's not even close to their levels of success.

lloveLamp

Reagan is considered successfull??

Reagan was, and still is, adored. As far as modern Republicans go, Nixon was far superior. Which is ironic because he still receives so much hate for Watergate.

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Does Obama get bills through congress? Yes. Are the bills he rails through congress good for America? Probably not.
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The recession may be technically over, but the job market is still in the gutter.
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#17 Dark_Knight6
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[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

The only thing Obama shares in common with Reagan and FDR is that he is incredibly charismatic. As far as being as president, he's not even close to their levels of success.

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I thought you were banned. :o

I'm a zombie, or something! :shock:

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[QUOTE="lloveLamp"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

The only thing Obama shares in common with Reagan and FDR is that he is incredibly charismatic. As far as being as president, he's not even close to their levels of success.

Dark_Knight6

Reagan is considered successfull??

Reagan was, and still is, adored. As far as modern Republicans go, Nixon was far superior. Which is ironic because he still receives so much hate for Watergate.

well maybe by republicans. but he removed a lot financial regulation that is causing our economy to die as we speak
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Does Obama get bills through congress? Yes. Are the bills he rails through congress good for America? Probably not. fat_rob
you know most of his bills have been fairly moderate? Just saying.
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[QUOTE="fat_rob"]Does Obama get bills through congress? Yes. Are the bills he rails through congress good for America? Probably not. Serraph105
you know most of his bills have been fairly moderate? Just saying.

And what does that have to do with them being good for America?
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I'll be the one to point out the big elephant in the room: a lot of people like Obama so much because it's the politically correct thing to do. There, I've said it; it's out there.
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[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="lloveLamp"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

The only thing Obama shares in common with Reagan and FDR is that he is incredibly charismatic. As far as being as president, he's not even close to their levels of success.

Reagan is considered successfull??

Reagan was, and still is, adored. As far as modern Republicans go, Nixon was far superior. Which is ironic because he still receives so much hate for Watergate.

Yeah, corruption will rightfully tarnish one's image.
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What did FDR do besides waste money?

yabbicoke

You mean, aside from the whole "leading the country through the worst economic depression in its history and then leading it through the worst war in human history"?

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I'll be the one to point out the big elephant in the room: a lot of people like Obama so much because it's the politically correct thing to do. There, I've said it; it's out there.jalexbrown
*blinks* wait what now? (Seriously not getting that argument)
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Rofl. I love these joke threads.

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Yeah, corruption will rightfully tarnish one's image.mattbbpl

Well, it's the fact that he was caught covering it up. Had he not been caught, or had he not attempted to cover it up, he'd be seen as one of the better presidents. FDR, for example, got away with the surveillance thing and is now loved. And admittedly, he was a good president.

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If you call getting bills passed that the majority doesn't want success, he has been successful. If you call claiming "racial profilling" about bills that don't racially profile and putting cops in danger success, then yeah I guess.

narlymech

Well... He seems to be doing what he said he was going to in his campaign.

If people really hate what he's doing, why did they vote for him?

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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]I'll be the one to point out the big elephant in the room: a lot of people like Obama so much because it's the politically correct thing to do. There, I've said it; it's out there.Serraph105
*blinks* wait what now? (Seriously not getting that argument)

Surely you've noticed that Obama is the first black president, no?
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[QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

What did FDR do besides waste money?

Dark_Knight6

You mean, aside from the whole "leading the country through the worst economic depression in its history and then leading it through the worst war in human history"?


This. This a few thousand times over.

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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"]I'll be the one to point out the big elephant in the room: a lot of people like Obama so much because it's the politically correct thing to do. There, I've said it; it's out there.jalexbrown
*blinks* wait what now? (Seriously not getting that argument)

Surely you've noticed that Obama is the first black president, no?

lol oh my bad. call it a blonde moment.
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#31 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

What did FDR do besides waste money?

Will2Live

You mean, aside from the whole "leading the country through the worst economic depression in its history and then leading it through the worst war in human history"?


This. This a few thousand times over.

yeah besides that.

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No...just, no. Let's wait and see results. As of now, it's too early to tell. And successful can be defined in different ways.

And FDR really wasn't successful. I wouldn't consider taking 10 years to get out of a depression "successful". Even his own Treasury Secretary, who designed the New Deal, admitted that they failed.

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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Serraph105"] *blinks* wait what now? (Seriously not getting that argument)

Surely you've noticed that Obama is the first black president, no?

lol oh my bad. call it a blonde moment.

Okay...blond moment it shall be called.
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Yeah, corruption will rightfully tarnish one's image.Dark_Knight6

Well, it's the fact that he was caught covering it up. Had he not been caught, or had he not attempted to cover it up, he'd be seen as one of the better presidents. FDR, for example, got away with the surveillance thing and is now loved. And admittedly, he was a good president.

Hell, he got away with interning American citizens because they were of a certain ancestry.
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Surely you've noticed that Obama is the first black president, no?jalexbrown
lol oh my bad. call it a blonde moment.

Okay...blond moment it shall be called.

now if only I was blonde

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[QUOTE="narlymech"]

If you call getting bills passed that the majority doesn't want success, he has been successful. If you call claiming "racial profilling" about bills that don't racially profile and putting cops in danger success, then yeah I guess.

BuryMe

Well... He seems to be doing what he said he was going to in his campaign.

If people really hate what he's doing, why did they vote for him?

Oh you mean like making government transparent? Yeah, if you've paid attention at all, you know that's a COMPLETE JOKE.

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[QUOTE="narlymech"]

If you call getting bills passed that the majority doesn't want success, he has been successful. If you call claiming "racial profilling" about bills that don't racially profile and putting cops in danger success, then yeah I guess.

BuryMe

Well... He seems to be doing what he said he was going to in his campaign.

If people really hate what he's doing, why did they vote for him?

Well, let's see...

- End the Iraq War? No (People say he's better than Bush because he's decreasing the number of troops, but he's got contractors replacing them anyway)

- End Warrantless wiretapping? No (Actually, he flip flopped on this in the middle of his campaign)

- Close the detention center at Guantanamo Bay? No (Although he's supposedly been trying to get it done)

- Health Care Reform? Debatable (I would say no because the health care bill was severely watered down before it was passed)

Oh, and people voted for him so they wouldn't be called racist.

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[QUOTE="BuryMe"]

[QUOTE="narlymech"]

If you call getting bills passed that the majority doesn't want success, he has been successful. If you call claiming "racial profilling" about bills that don't racially profile and putting cops in danger success, then yeah I guess.

SpartanMSU

Well... He seems to be doing what he said he was going to in his campaign.

If people really hate what he's doing, why did they vote for him?

Oh you mean like making government transparent? Yeah, if you've paid attention at all, you know that's a COMPLETE JOKE.

Let's face facts: no politician in his (or her) right mind would want the government to really be transparent, because they don't want us to know what's really going on.
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[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Yeah, corruption will rightfully tarnish one's image.MattUD1

Well, it's the fact that he was caught covering it up. Had he not been caught, or had he not attempted to cover it up, he'd be seen as one of the better presidents. FDR, for example, got away with the surveillance thing and is now loved. And admittedly, he was a good president.

Hell, he got away with interning American citizens because they were of a certain ancestry.

Ah yes, that had slipped my mind. I'm not quite certain just how he avoided the consequences of that one.

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Well... He seems to be doing what he said he was going to in his campaign.

If people really hate what he's doing, why did they vote for him?

jalexbrown

Oh you mean like making government transparent? Yeah, if you've paid attention at all, you know that's a COMPLETE JOKE.

Let's face facts: no politician in his (or her) right mind would want the government to really be transparent, because they don't want us to know what's really going on.

Yeah, no crap. But people fell for it. ITZ TEH CHANGORZ!!!

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Oh, and people voted for him so they wouldn't be called racist.

Radiatedrich91
See my above post; this is something I genuinely believe. A black president was "progressive" and all those other jive words that democrats sometimes try to use to convince people that change is inherently a good thing. I have nothing against Obama for being black, but I do have a problem with the likelihood that he became president because of his race.
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]Well... He seems to be doing what he said he was going to in his campaign.

If people really hate what he's doing, why did they vote for him?

Oh you mean like making government transparent? Yeah, if you've paid attention at all, you know that's a COMPLETE JOKE.

Let's face facts: no politician in his (or her) right mind would want the government to really be transparent, because they don't want us to know what's really going on.

Yeah, you know that and I know that, but to me that says 2 things:

One, he shouldn't have campaigned on it if he had no intention of follow-through and

Two, that's a problem. Transparency is something that we need more of on our government and we shouldn't let hin get a free pass on this (but I'm sure we will).
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[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Well, it's the fact that he was caught covering it up. Had he not been caught, or had he not attempted to cover it up, he'd be seen as one of the better presidents. FDR, for example, got away with the surveillance thing and is now loved. And admittedly, he was a good president.

Dark_Knight6

Hell, he got away with interning American citizens because they were of a certain ancestry.

Ah yes, that had slipped my mind. I'm not quite certain just how he avoided the consequences of that one.

In the interests of protecting the homeland. I actually have a book that has a good amount of the Executive Order for Japanese internment. Executive Order No. 9066: WHEREAs the successful prosecution of the war requires every possibly protection against espionage and against sabotage to national-defense material, national defense premises, and national-defense utilities as defined in section 4, Action of April 20, 1918....by virtue of the authority vested in me as President... I hereby authorize and direct the Secretary of War, and the Military Commanders whom he may from time to time designate... to prescribe military areas in such places and of such extent... from which any or all persons may be excluded, and with such respect to which the right of any person to enter, remain in , or leave shall be subject to whatever restrictions ... may impose... That's just from the first half of the EO.
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[QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

Oh, and people voted for him so they wouldn't be called racist.

jalexbrown
See my above post; this is something I genuinely believe. A black president was "progressive" and all those other jive words that democrats sometimes try to use to convince people that change is inherently a good thing. I have nothing against Obama for being black, but I do have a problem with the likelihood that he became president because of his race.

or people saw the alternative which had Sarah Palin at second in command and literally **** their pants out of fear.
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Reagan is considered successfull??lloveLamp
Most successful president since FDR, easily.

On the topic of Obama's success, it is not unusual for a new president to use their momentum to get a lot of stuff passed early in their presidency. It is the result that comes from this legislation, along with the success of the president's foreign policy, moral message, and ability to handle crises throughout their presidency that determines success or failure IMO.

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He's done a dreadful job of running the reform he promised and Congress screwed up and has proved to be a quite malleable and ineffective leader. It's hilarious to watch him tell us what we want to hear, then go on to do something else. We want a government which spends our money the way we want it to, and to spend it responsibly. Freezing spending sounds cool because of the hype about the debt... but it'll just hurt us more, so we know he does not intend to follow up with that in a few years as he claims. We'll be paying for his inadequacies well into the future. You should NEVER listen to what a politician SAYS, but watch what he DOES.
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="Radiatedrich91"]

Oh, and people voted for him so they wouldn't be called racist.

HoolaHoopMan
See my above post; this is something I genuinely believe. A black president was "progressive" and all those other jive words that democrats sometimes try to use to convince people that change is inherently a good thing. I have nothing against Obama for being black, but I do have a problem with the likelihood that he became president because of his race.

or people saw the alternative which had Sarah Palin at second in command and literally **** their pants out of fear.

Okay, so I can deal with this as a possibility as well. So it was either his race or the fact that his opponents were literally so horrible that he was bound to win; yessir, what a president that must take.
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[QUOTE="lloveLamp"] Reagan is considered successfull??fidosim
Most successful president since FDR, easily.

In doing what, exactly? All he did was increase debt and enact policies that helped put us where we are today.

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#49 LJS9502_basic
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No...just, no. Let's wait and see results. As of now, it's too early to tell. And successful can be defined in different ways.

And FDR really wasn't successful. I wouldn't consider taking 10 years to get out of a depression "successful". Even his own Treasury Secretary, who designed the New Deal, admitted that they failed.

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Actually FDR didn't end the depression....WW2 did. Without it....he'd have remained in that economic state.
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#50 Maniacc1
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Wait wait wait. Reagan in the same sentence as successful? :lol: