Michelle Obama out of line for not wearing a burqa?

what's cute is that you actually think you were funny.

You first. Was she right or wrong?

Most of the Saudi's are a bunch of idiots, at least when it comes to that. France got it right by banning the stupid headscarves.

What's next? When you visit North America you'll be required to wear a Yankees baseball cap?

@GrayF0X786: Its classic racist humor. Its not supposed to be funny; just another way to continue bullying minorities I guess.

Anyways, I personally do not have a problem with it. You shouldn't have to change yourself, culture, and beliefs just because you're changing residence or visiting another country.

I believe most of OT feels the opposite way, but if I'm not mistaken, it only applies to Muslims visiting/living in Western countries. If a Westerner visits any ME country, screw obeying the laws/customs because they're so "backwards" but a Muslim residing in a Western country needs to "assimilate". I'm not saying you have to obey the customs (totally against it) but those who hold a double standard view of assimilation need to quit villainizing us all.

@GrayF0X786: Its classic racist humor. Its not supposed to be funny; just another way to continue bullying minorities I guess.

Anyways, I personally do not have a problem with it. You shouldn't have to change yourself, culture, and beliefs just because you're changing residence or visiting another country.

I believe most of OT feels the opposite way, but if I'm not mistaken, it only applies to Muslims visiting/living in Western countries. If a Westerner visits any ME country, screw obeying the laws/customs because they're so "backwards" but a Muslim residing in a Western country needs to "assimilate". I'm not saying you have to obey the customs (totally against it) but those who hold a double standard view of assimilation need to quit villainizing us all.

@MakeMeaSammitch:

(Surah 4:25 b)"Allah knoweth best your faith. Ye proceed from one another, so wed them by permission of their folk, and give unto them their portions in kindness, they being honest, not debauched, nor of loose conduct."

Second class refers to women being discriminated against, and while they may not have the same "worth" as a man (I believe read in the Quran 1 man is equal to 2 women) accoeding to the verse I just posted, they are to be treated fairly, kindly, and with respect. Aisha (I'm sure you're well aware of her) was an established political powerhouse that offered a legitimate threat to Ali (Muhammads cousin). Women were also granted many rights (mostly dealing with inheritance and property) and although women's rights aren't as progressive as today they were definitely a step in the right direction. Now what does the Bible have to say about women's rights? The Torah? The Gita? I'm not trying to say Islam is the right religion or anything of the sort. What I am trying to say is why are you and so many others on this board willing to overlook other faiths in regard to the same questions/criticism you impose on Islam (and in turn discriminate against Muslims)?

@MakeMeaSammitch: Eh I can see what you mean although I'd argue equality and justice are not the same thing. Yeah women's worth/rights weren't the greatest back then but they were a step in the right direction. I will say that most Islamic countries (not exclusive to just us) are behind when it comes to women's suffrage in today's day and age (get with the times people) but its slowly gaining momentum. I will, however, argue that it is not just twisted religious ideology but culture and tradition mixed in that give rise to such complications today (Pakistan and India for example).

What kind of Western laws/customs are you referring to? Not publicly stoning your daughter because she wore shorts to school?

@MakeMeaSammitch: Eh I can see what you mean although I'd argue equality and justice are not the same thing. Yeah women's worth/rights weren't the greatest back then but they were a step in the right direction. I will say that most Islamic countries (not exclusive to just us) are behind when it comes to women's suffrage in today's day and age (get with the times people) but its slowly gaining momentum. I will, however, argue that it is not just twisted religious ideology but culture and tradition mixed in that give rise to such complications today (Pakistan and India for example).

you like your daughters wearing shorts ey?

here is a tip...don't have kids.

you like your daughters wearing shorts ey?

here is a tip...don't have kids.

you like your daughters wearing shorts ey?

here is a tip...don't have kids.

@MakeMeaSammitch: Eh I can see what you mean although I'd argue equality and justice are not the same thing. Yeah women's worth/rights weren't the greatest back then but they were a step in the right direction. I will say that most Islamic countries (not exclusive to just us) are behind when it comes to women's suffrage in today's day and age (get with the times people) but its slowly gaining momentum. I will, however, argue that it is not just twisted religious ideology but culture and tradition mixed in that give rise to such complications today (Pakistan and India for example).

I would, look at the middle east 60 years ago; women's rights were almost on par with that of western countries.

Then the religious crazies took over and the region became more religious.

Islam promotes sexism. Women will never even be close to equal as long as it exists.

So does Christianity, so do most religions in the world. In fact, it's not just religion but also biological instinct to think a certain way about men or women.

Not saying it's right but you are right in that extremists have taken over and began implementing laws hindering women's rights. But to say it's because of Islam is ignorant. Again, any religion can promote sexism, it's just a matter of taking it to that level.

@MakeMeaSammitch:

And your point is what exactly? You stated that as long as Islam existed, women will never be equal. Islam existed during the time that you mentioned where women were considered equal or at least were better off.

Again, there's Islamic extremism and just Islam, just as there is Christian extremism and just Christianity.