Liberals aim cross hairs at Joe Plumber

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#1 Trashface
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I haven't been keeping up with my usual debates and quarrels basically because I haven't felt like it. I really don't spend mush time at the computer. However, something else has annoyed me to the point of posting about it.

You all probably know of Joe the plumber who voiced his dislike of Obama's socialist ideology of spreading the wealth face to face with Obama. Joe the plumber is a blue collar person on who agrees with me in that people should not be punished because of success. He struck a chord with the main stream middle
clas$. Joe's goal is to buy the company that he works for. I , myself am a blue collar worker I see the obvious logic and danger of unfair taxes and speading the wealth (Obama's own words). Obama has since tried to play this off by saying things like "how many plumbers make over $250,000?". Obama doesn't seem to understand that Joe has theAmerican dream of bettering himself and working for higher goals. When Joeachieves his goal, he will be punished by the socialistic spreading of the wealth. Also, Obama has yet to explain where he got this idea that most small businesses make under $250,000. Obama wishes to raise taxes on incomes of more than $250,000. If you study the Census Buereau, You'll see that most small businesses make over that magic number.

The truth is that if he's going to implement a plan that people over 250 grand personally or small business, Subchapter S filing under a personal return, if he's going to have a tax increase on anybody more than 250 grand, 99% of small business is going to get a huge tax increase. The little guy that Obama claims to want to help is the very guy that's going to get clipped here, because once these taxes go up the first instinct of the small businessman or woman is to survive as a small business.

Anyway, Joe Plumber hurt Obama by showing that normal middle clas$ people do not agree with this punish the successfull pandering and now the media are targetting them as they did Palin. They HATE people that break the left's stereotypes. Clarence Thomas showed that black people could succeed without the help of liberals. He showed that he was not oppressed and that the playing field was level. They tried to destroy him. Palin showed that a normal, working mother could be successful and that she did not need the help of liberals because the playing field is level and they tried to destroy her. Joe who plumbs shows that a middle clas$ person can aspire to become more succesful and breaks the myth of the "bitter clinger". He shows that the democrats' clas$ warfare is nothing more than a method of pandering to get a demographic locked and now they're going after him questioning every single aspect of the man's life that they can. One news anchor called upon the fact that he doesn't go by his first name stating "Joe isn't even his real name!". They're also very concerned with the fact that he has no plumbers' license even though you don't have to have one at his level of work.

The saddest fact of this is that the media and the left are far more concerned about investigating Joe's life and trying to destroy his credibility than they are with the fact that Obama refuses to talk about his past and history in an in -depth manner. They aren't concerned with a Presidential candidate's past. There will be no investigation of Obama's past by the left and this media that is so concerned with an average, blue collar citizen. They care about securing their candidate and agenda and destroying any threat to it.

A normal, middle clas$ man had critism for Obama's ideals and now his life is turned upside down with reporters seeking him and people trying to dig up dirt on him. This is but a glimpse of the scary future under an Obama regime and anyone who dares to question it.

Spreading the wealth? Persuit of those who critisize the ideals of the leader? Socialism is knocking at the door.

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#2 yabbicoke
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That's an awful lot of words for someone no one should even care about...
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#3 ferrari2001
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Well Joe the Plumber has pretty much been pwning Obama, and if you ask me that is hilarious!
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#4 Jaks_Secret
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Supporting Joe the Plumber would be fine, if it weren't for the fact that he isn't a liscensed plumber and would benefit from Obama's plan. >__>
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I love how they dig up all of this dirt on Joe the Plumber but STILL cannot find Obama's school records.
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#6 Guybrush_3
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99% of small business is going to get a huge tax increase.

Trashface

link to the number of small businesss that earn over $250 after expenditures please. I am calling BS.

Also, by huge you mean about $600. thats aproximately .25% of the total net income.

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#8 bradleybhoy
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Socialism's good. What's the problem?
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#9 bradleybhoy
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Honestly, a lot of real plumbers probably make over 250k. Those dudes make a killing, more than some doctors.Bio_Spark

Yeah some plumbers are a real rip off.

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Socialism's good. What's the problem?bradleybhoy

no not really

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I love how they dig up all of this dirt on Joe the Plumber but STILL cannot find Obama's school records.bungie93

What? You can look up every school he went to...

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I think I'm going to vote without considering Joe.
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[QUOTE="Trashface"]

99% of small business is going to get a huge tax increase.

Guybrush_3

link to the number of small businesss that earn over $250 after expenditures please. I am calling BS.

Also, by huge you mean about $600

couldnt find # of small businesses taht earn over 250 k, but i found the average $233 k

http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=11901

@TC, do you just make one of these anti-obama threads everyday? >_>

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hmm seems joe the plumber aint all he appears to be....

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/17/feeling-plumber-fatigue-media-turns-joe/

also its on fox new's website, and if anything they would be backing this bs.

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[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

99% of small business is going to get a huge tax increase.

Ultima_5

link to the number of small businesss that earn over $250 after expenditures please. I am calling BS.

Also, by huge you mean about $600

couldnt find # of small businesses taht earn over 250 k, but i found the average $233 k

http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=11901

@TC, do you just make one of these anti-obama threads everyday? >_>

There you go. 99% my ass. TC you are a blatant liar.

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[QUOTE="Ultima_5"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

99% of small business is going to get a huge tax increase.

Guybrush_3

link to the number of small businesss that earn over $250 after expenditures please. I am calling BS.

Also, by huge you mean about $600

couldnt find # of small businesses taht earn over 250 k, but i found the average $233 k

http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=11901

@TC, do you just make one of these anti-obama threads everyday? >_>

There you go. 99% my ass. TC you are a blatant liar.

last week he posted a thread based on a headline w/o reading the info inside it >_>

blamed it on the author

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Supporting Joe the Plumber would be fine, if it weren't for the fact that he isn't a liscensed plumber and would benefit from Obama's plan. >__>Jaks_Secret
you dont' need a plumbing license if you work under a master plumber.

and I think he is more than capable of understanding his own finances and why he would hurt under Obama's tax plan (and with Pelosi and Reed in charge of a filibuster proof senate, there is no way to stop any tax hikes)

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#19 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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I think Joe should just quit his job and not work because he'd make more that way under the new incoming government.
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#20 nohabs
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Trashface - excellent job

This is a cla**c example of how the media is in bed with the left.
Clinton was good at this tactic of attacking the accuser and destroying them rather than answer any questions or accusations he didn't like. The libs are shameless

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...

Clarence Thomas showed that black people could succeed without the help of liberals. He showed that he was not oppressed and that the playing field was level.

....

Trashface

Actually, what Clarence Thomas showed is that when there's a Republican in office, a conservative judge can subject women to vulgar sexual harrassment and still be appointed to the Supreme Court.

:roll:

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[QUOTE="Jaks_Secret"]Supporting Joe the Plumber would be fine, if it weren't for the fact that he isn't a liscensed plumber and would benefit from Obama's plan. >__>lovesPR

you dont' need a plumbing license if you work under a master plumber.

Master Plumber:

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[QUOTE="Trashface"]

...

Clarence Thomas showed that black people could succeed without the help of liberals. He showed that he was not oppressed and that the playing field was level.

....

Stesilaus

Actually, what Clarence Thomas showed is that when there's a Republican in office, a conservative judge can subject women to vulgar sexual harrassment and still be appointed to the Supreme Court.

:roll:

You have absolutley no idea what your talking about

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Sadly Joe "The plumber" doesn't speak for me nor for anybody I know, since i don't believe i know someone who makes 250k a year, so tuff nuts for joe. If he have problem with not making ends meet. (lol doubtful) there's nothing stopping him from selling his services at a higher price.
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[QUOTE="Trashface"]

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Clarence Thomas showed that black people could succeed without the help of liberals. He showed that he was not oppressed and that the playing field was level.

....

Stesilaus

Actually, what Clarence Thomas showed is that when there's a Republican in office, a conservative judge can subject women to vulgar sexual harrassment and still be appointed to the Supreme Court.

:roll:

Bill Clinton was not appointed to the Supreme Court.

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Punishment? :lol:
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the sad thing is, mccain wants to grow the economy from the top, and obama from the bottom.

neither of these make sense.

let it grow where it grows. wealth redistrobrution is morally wrong.

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[QUOTE="bungie93"]I love how they dig up all of this dirt on Joe the Plumber but STILL cannot find Obama's school records.yabbicoke

What? You can look up every school he went to...

Oh really? I didn't have the slightest clue what schools he attended.

I'm talking about his school RECORDS such as grades, SAT scores, class rank, etc.

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the sad thing is, mccain wants to grow the economy from the top, and obama from the bottom.

neither of these make sense.

let it grow where it grows. wealth redistrobrution is morally wrong.

Super_Socialist

That's a weird statement from someone with the name "super socialist"

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At the end of the day, Joe the plumber is above average. He will make $250,000 a year. Millions of Americans make 10-15% of that. He also has a job for life, as people will always need plumbers. He can pay a bit more in taxes to help those worth far less to pay their household bills.
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Socialism's good. What's the problem?bradleybhoy

the problem with socialism is the economic calculation of value, often reffered to as "economic error"

this is why people typically starve in socialist countries. Good intentions dosent make this flawed system good.

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[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]

the sad thing is, mccain wants to grow the economy from the top, and obama from the bottom.

neither of these make sense.

let it grow where it grows. wealth redistrobrution is morally wrong.

sonicare

That's a weird statement from someone with the name "super socialist"

It's a weird statement overall.

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[QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

[QUOTE="bungie93"]I love how they dig up all of this dirt on Joe the Plumber but STILL cannot find Obama's school records.bungie93

What? You can look up every school he went to...

Oh really? I didn't have the slightest clue what schools he attended.

I'm talking about his school RECORDS such as grades, SAT scores, class rank, etc.

who cares what his sat score it >_>

anyway, i bet you its betta than bush

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[QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]

the sad thing is, mccain wants to grow the economy from the top, and obama from the bottom.

neither of these make sense.

let it grow where it grows. wealth redistrobrution is morally wrong.

sonicare

That's a weird statement from someone with the name "super socialist"

i made the name then had a change of heart, what can i say? :(

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[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

...

Clarence Thomas showed that black people could succeed without the help of liberals. He showed that he was not oppressed and that the playing field was level.

....

nohabs

Actually, what Clarence Thomas showed is that when there's a Republican in office, a conservative judge can subject women to vulgar sexual harrassment and still be appointed to the Supreme Court.

:roll:

You have absolutley no idea what your talking about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas#Allegations_of_sexual_harassment

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[QUOTE="nohabs"][QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

...

Clarence Thomas showed that black people could succeed without the help of liberals. He showed that he was not oppressed and that the playing field was level.

....

Stesilaus

Actually, what Clarence Thomas showed is that when there's a Republican in office, a conservative judge can subject women to vulgar sexual harrassment and still be appointed to the Supreme Court.

:roll:

You have absolutley no idea what your talking about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas#Allegations_of_sexual_harassment

"Allegations" are a far cry from being the truth and in this case it was not the truth.

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[QUOTE="bungie93"][QUOTE="yabbicoke"]

[QUOTE="bungie93"]I love how they dig up all of this dirt on Joe the Plumber but STILL cannot find Obama's school records.Ultima_5

What? You can look up every school he went to...

Oh really? I didn't have the slightest clue what schools he attended.

I'm talking about his school RECORDS such as grades, SAT scores, class rank, etc.

who cares what his sat score it >_>

anyway, i bet you its betta than bush

I don't care about his SAT score. I do, however, care that he is being so secretive about his records. What does he have to hide? If he is going to lead this country, don't we have a right to know what his records are?

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I didn't read all of what the TC said. But my opinion on "Joe the Plumber" is that I'm glad the media is taking a shot at him and digging up everything they can about this guy. They talked way too much about him at the last debate, everything was "Joe the Plumber this and Joe the Plumber that.". It honestly made me sick. Joe knew what he was doing, so if the media destorys him for it, it doesn't bother me at all.From what I have read about the guy, he owes a lot of money in back taxes and wouldn't be able to buy the business he claims he wanted to buy anyway.

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[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Super_Socialist"]

the sad thing is, mccain wants to grow the economy from the top, and obama from the bottom.

neither of these make sense.

let it grow where it grows. wealth redistrobrution is morally wrong.

Super_Socialist

That's a weird statement from someone with the name "super socialist"

i made the name then had a change of heart, what can i say? :(

Hmm...that went fast.

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Supporting Joe the Plumber would be fine, if it weren't for the fact that he isn't a liscensed plumber and would benefit from Obama's plan. >__>Jaks_Secret

He doesnt need a license at his level. Obama's plan will punsih him as soon as he fulfills his American dream. Your points are irrelevant. I covered them in the originalpost.

[QUOTE="Stesilaus"]

[QUOTE="Trashface"]

...

Clarence Thomas showed that black people could succeed without the help of liberals. He showed that he was not oppressed and that the playing field was level.

....

sonicare

Actually, what Clarence Thomas showed is that when there's a Republican in office, a conservative judge can subject women to vulgar sexual harrassment and still be appointed to the Supreme Court.

:roll:

Bill Clinton was not appointed to the Supreme Court.

Yeah he held a much more important position and actually lied under oath.

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"][QUOTE="Ultima_5"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

99% of small business is going to get a huge tax increase.

Ultima_5

link to the number of small businesss that earn over $250 after expenditures please. I am calling BS.

Also, by huge you mean about $600

couldnt find # of small businesses taht earn over 250 k, but i found the average $233 k

http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=11901

@TC, do you just make one of these anti-obama threads everyday? >_>

There you go. 99% my ass. TC you are a blatant liar.

last week he posted a thread based on a headline w/o reading the info inside it >_>

blamed it on the author

Wow, you're confused. The entire point was the racial bias on the left. As far as the article I cited contradicting my point, let's have the details of your claim.

[QUOTE="Ultima_5"][QUOTE="Guybrush_3"][QUOTE="Trashface"]

99% of small business is going to get a huge tax increase.

Guybrush_3

link to the number of small businesss that earn over $250 after expenditures please. I am calling BS.

Also, by huge you mean about $600

couldnt find # of small businesses taht earn over 250 k, but i found the average $233 k

http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=11901

@TC, do you just make one of these anti-obama threads everyday? >_>

There you go. 99% my ass. TC you are a blatant liar.

Here are business sizes from the census bureau. Take the employment numbers and figure in wages and benefits.

http://www.census.gov/epcd/www/smallbus.html

Punishment? :lol:jointed

Yes, if Joe plumber fulfills his dream of owning his business, he will be punished with unfair taxes. Punsihing success hurts the market and is not what America is about.

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#42 Ultima_5
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ppl should watch this

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-final-debate/768721/

also i like how ppl are complain about how joe the plumber is being treated, but there was much fuss when mccain had that rally where ppl said that obama was an arab....(not that theres anything wrong w/ that)

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#43 entropyecho
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Ahh, the American dream - what a wonderful ideal.
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#44 Vandalvideo
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Joe shouldn't be the defining factor of your vote. He is a flipping plumber in the middle of nowhere. I am not joe.
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#45 entropyecho
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Joe shouldn't be the defining factor of your vote.Vandalvideo

Was anyone claiming him to be? If so... :lol:

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#46 Trashface
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I didn't read all of what the TC said. But my opinion on "Joe the Plumber" is that I'm glad the media is taking a shot at him and digging up everything they can about this guy. They talked way too much about him at the last debate, everything was "Joe the Plumber this and Joe the Plumber that.". It honestly made me sick. Joe knew what he was doing, so if the media destorys him for it, it doesn't bother me at all.From what I have read about the guy, he owes a lot of money in back taxes and wouldn't be able to buy the business he claims he wanted to buy anyway.

ElectronicMagic

You're fine with them going after this guy when they care nothing about the fact that Obama won't disclose the large majority of his past including health records and school records? There is even a civil suit claiming Obama isn't legally eligible to be President. the fact that you're ok with them going after an average citizen as opposed to a Presidential candidate who suspiciously won't let his past be known shows incredible bias.

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#47 Trashface
Member since 2006 • 3534 Posts

ppl should watch this

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/update-thursday-final-debate/768721/

also i like how ppl are complain about how joe the plumber is being treated, but there was much fuss when mccain had that rally where ppl said that obama was an arab....(not that theres anything wrong w/ that)

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You missed the entire point of the post. What you typed is totally irrelevant to the subject. This is about the double standard of investigating a citizen when Obama suspiciously with holds so many details of his past and he is an actual candidate. it's also about socialism and redistribution of wealth. I'm a lower middle Clas$ blue collar worker and I see how unfair punishing the succesful is.

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#48 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33
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Yes, if Joe plumber fulfills his dream of owning his business, he will be punished with unfair taxes. Punsihing success hurts the market and is not what America is about.

Trashface

You're using the wrong word with purpose to further your argument...how shameless.

Please...explain in detail how it hurts the market :lol: Oh and I suggest you read up on both monetarism and keynesian economics before you attempt to debate people on the subject.

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#49 entropyecho
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You're fine with them going after this guy when they care nothing about the fact that Obama won't disclose the large majority of his past including health records and school records? Trashface

Is that legal? I know McCain's health was an issue and that is why he allowed records to be released about his well-being, but are things like school records and especially health records part of the public domain? Isn't that an invasion of privacy? I am naive about this whole thing...

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#50 Ultima_5
Member since 2008 • 1614 Posts

Wow, you're confused. The entire point was the racial bias on the left. As far as the article I cited contradicting my point, let's have the details of your claim.

Trashface

my bad it was a diff anti obama thread id post the url, but its 2 weeks old and i dont wanna make it active again :|