Is suicide a selfish act?

I don't feel sorry for anyone that kills there self at all periodxSIZEMATTER

Then you probably dont understand the reasons why some people do it.

Yes it is a selfish act. You leave all your friends and family with what you did to yourself.

Most definetly, IMO, there pretty much is absolutely no good/excusable reason to kill yourself. Even in the most extreme conditions, that's just my two cents though, I don't want to go into this huge rant as of why. Maybe I'll make a blog someday.

Actually, I think I made a topic like this once, it was called "Is there ever a good reason to commit suicide?" or something like that, people started saying "you don't know what it's like!!! So you can't say anything" - I guess I forgot to mention that I use to be very suicidal because of a chemical imbalance and now I have to take anti-depressants to fix that, and it made me realize how stupid it was to think that way, but, I still know that feeling of hopelessness and how hard it is to overcome those thoughts on your own, but I still see no good reason to kill yourself, ever...

I don't feel sorry for anyone that kills there self at all periodxSIZEMATTER

Yes it is a selfish act. You leave all your friends and family with what you did to yourself.

FlaminDeath

And the alternative is that your friends and family ask you to be miserable for the next 50 years just so that they don't end up losing you.

There's plenty of selfishness to go around.

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]I don't feel sorry for anyone that kills there self at all periodHulkness

Then you probably dont understand the reasons why some people do it.

Most definetly, IMO, there pretty much is absolutely no good/excusable reason to kill yourself. Even in the most extreme conditions, that's just my two cents though, I don't want to go into this huge rant as of why. Maybe I'll make a blog someday.

Actually, I think I made a topic like this once, it was called "Is there ever a good reason to commit suicide?" or something like that, people started saying "you don't know what it's like!!! So you can't say anything" - I guess I forgot to mention that I use to be very suicidal because of a chemical imbalance and now I have to take anti-depressants to fix that, and it made me realize how stupid it was to think that way, but, I still know that feeling of hopelessness and how hard it is to overcome those thoughts on your own, but I still see no good reason to kill yourself, ever...

ElArab

There is one good reason to commit suicide, and that reason is that you don't want to live any more.

[QUOTE="FlaminDeath"]

Yes it is a selfish act. You leave all your friends and family with what you did to yourself.

MrGeezer

And the alternative is that your friends and family ask you to be miserable for the next 50 years just so that they don't end up losing you.

There's plenty of selfishness to go around.

good point, i can understand y people sometimes commit suicide, i was depressed before and when your that sad the thought of suicide is not that outrageous, however if you have never dealt with depression in your life you will not know what I am talking about, of course if you are happy with yourself and your life , you would never consider suicide.

[QUOTE="Hulkness"]

[QUOTE="xSIZEMATTER"]I don't feel sorry for anyone that kills there self at all periodxSIZEMATTER

Then you probably dont understand the reasons why some people do it.

What about a transgender person who gets harrased at school for trying to be themselves just because they were born diffrent and there parents dont accept them. I wonder how that feels.

A girl in my old school tried to kill herself in my old school because her boyfriend dumped her. She was 14 and she did the whole wrist cutting thing in the school bathrooms. I thought it was pathetic, but the whole school felt sorry for her.Film-Guy

There is one good reason to commit suicide, and that reason is that you don't want to live any more.

MrGeezer

I'd imagine most people who commit suicide didn't want to live anymore - do you mean like "I just don't want to be a part of this world anymore, I'm not depressed, I'm not miserable, I guess I am just flat-out bored with life, and ready to move on. *sticks live grenade in mouth*" type of 'don't want to live anymore'?

I'd never consider sucide, but then again i have never been in those long depressions ive been angry for a bit not really depressed. But yeah, i meen sure you put yourself out of misery, but your parents, friends, relatives are devasted for life. If you really want just run away...i meen how bad can parents be?leonhead

What, you mean run away and then commit suicide, so that your friends and parents never hear the news that you killed yourself?

It's a shame people take suicide so lightly.Abigorus

In some cases it is but sometimes it would be understandable.Vilot_Hero

Agreed. It varies from case to case.

For example, a teenager killing themselves to punish their parents, or cheating girlfriends, etc. is just an idiot.

Whereas, let's say you have a man who is paralyzed in all but his left arm. It'd only be natural for him to want to pull the trigger...

It's a shame people take suicide so lightly.Abigorus

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem and VERY selfish. I've got a cousin who still is on tranquilizers because of it, there is no justification that I will accept for that.Aidenfury19

Except when it's a permanent solution to a permanent problem.

[QUOTE="Abigorus"]It's a shame people take suicide so lightly.Wetall_basic

Don't judge me from my avatar. I'm not Satanist. (It's a band symbol, if you look closely it says "Abigor" which is a Black Metal band.) I've come into instances where people I know have tried to commit suicide and it's tough. I don't see that person as weak, it's a cry out for help, and they're getting the help they need. Live THIS life to the fullest, who knows what's next in line for us.

[QUOTE="Aidenfury19"]Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem and VERY selfish. I've got a cousin who still is on tranquilizers because of it, there is no justification that I will accept for that.MrGeezer

Except when it's a permanent solution to a permanent problem.

Would you tell me again how depression is an untreatable condition? My other cousin can just go to hell,

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Aidenfury19"]Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem and VERY selfish. I've got a cousin who still is on tranquilizers because of it, there is no justification that I will accept for that.Aidenfury19

Except when it's a permanent solution to a permanent problem.

Would you tell me again how depression is an untreatable condition? My other cousin can just go to hell,

I'm sure there are other permanent problems....

[QUOTE="Wetall_basic"][QUOTE="Abigorus"]It's a shame people take suicide so lightly.Abigorus

Don't judge me from my avatar. I'm not Satanist. (It's a band symbol, if you look closely it says "Abigor" which is a Black Metal band.) I've come into instances where people I know have tried to commit suicide and it's tough. I don't see that person as weak, it's a cry out for help, and they're getting the help they need. Live THIS life to the fullest, who knows what's next in line for us.

I'm sure there are other permanent problems....

kylekatarn10

And he didn't have any, his Mom always favored girls but thats about it. He had a fiancee, he had a ton of extended family that he barely even met with, he had a daughter and he had his sister the one in the family with the REAL problems.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem and VERY selfish. I've got a cousin who still is on tranquilizers because of it, there is no justification that I will accept for that.Aidenfury19

I still don't understand that saying, how can it be a solution, when you're ****ing dead?

It's like saying "I can't beat the next level in this game, so I guess the best thing to do would be to jump off this bridge..." - and God Forbid that you say that when you are playing Bioshock, I mean, you just cannot die when playing that game. No easy way out for you!!!

[QUOTE="kylekatarn10"]

I'm sure there are other permanent problems....

Aidenfury19

And he didn't have any, his Mom always favored girls but thats about it. He had a fiancee, he had a ton of extended family that he barely even met with, he had a daughter and he had his sister the one in the family with the REAL problems.

Yeah, so what. It's not like it's any of your business. Maybe you could analyze his situation and tell him who to marry and what career to take.

Regardless of whether or not you think his life was good, HE DID NOT WANT IT. It's HIS life, not YOURS, and it's his to do with as he sees fit, even if that includes ending it.

[QUOTE="Aidenfury19"]Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem and VERY selfish. I've got a cousin who still is on tranquilizers because of it, there is no justification that I will accept for that.ElArab

I still don't understand that saying, how can it be a solution, when you're ****ing dead?

It's like saying "I can't beat the next level in this game, so I guess the best thing to do would be to jump off this bridge..." - and God Forbid that you say that when you are playing Bioshock, I mean, you just cannot die when playing that game. No easy way out for you!!!

No, it's more like when animal control picks up a stray dog, and that dog is mean. So then they kill it.

The problem is that the dog is mean. Death IS a solution in this case, because dead dogs are NOT mean.

Yeah, so what. It's not like it's any of your business. Maybe you could analyze his situation and tell him who to marry and what career to take.

Regardless of whether or not you think his life was good, HE DID NOT WANT IT. It's HIS life, not YOURS, and it's his to do with as he sees fit, even if that includes ending it.

MrGeezer

Its his freaking sister, his daughter and his ex-wife and fiancee who have to deal with it now and that MAKES IT MY FREAKING BUSINESS, he already put them through enough crap and my cousin had to deal with enough herself. The damn coward didn't even have the nerve to pull a freaking trigger or go someplace else, you know how my cousin found him?

Shes legally blind so when she found him she thought he was sleeping standing up. NOW WHAT WAS THAT YOU WERE SAYING?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Yeah, so what. It's not like it's any of your business. Maybe you could analyze his situation and tell him who to marry and what career to take.

Regardless of whether or not you think his life was good, HE DID NOT WANT IT. It's HIS life, not YOURS, and it's his to do with as he sees fit, even if that includes ending it.

Aidenfury19

Its his freaking sister, his daughter and his ex-wife and fiancee who have to deal with it now and that MAKES IT MY FREAKING BUSINESS, he already put them through enough crap and my cousin had to deal with enough herself. The damn coward didn't even have the nerve to pull a freaking trigger or go someplace else, you know how my cousin found him?

Shes legally blind so when she found him she thought he was sleeping standing up. NOW WHAT WAS THAT YOU WERE SAYING?

I direct you back to my other post, in which I stated that selfishness swings both ways. You can say all you want about how only jerks kill themselves because then their wives will be widows, etc, etc. But like I said, it goes both ways. I have a history of suicide in my family. My uncle killed himself. My brother tried to kill himself. And that makes me sad, but it's STILL not my ****ing business. Being family does NOT give me the right to decide anyone else's life for them, and that's all there is to it.

Now as far as the method in which he tried to kill himself, that's not a discussion about suicide, that's a discussion about proper manners. If he wanted to, he certainly could have killed himself in a way that would have been less distressing to those around him, so that fact that he did not choose to do so is not an argument against committing suicide. Rather, it's simply an argument for using proper etiquette while committing suicide.

The only time I would consider it acceptable would be if, say for instance, you knew you were about to get executed by a regime(not court/law) and you decided you'd take yourself rathen than letting them get the satisfaction of killing you.....or something like that, if u get what I mean.

Otherwise, yes. It's a very shallow, selfish and hurtful act of desperation.

i think suicide is stupid. but it's in no way selfish.

it's selfish to want someone alive when that person really just wants to be dead.

What about a transgender person who gets harrased at school for trying to be themselves just because they were born diffrent and there parents dont accept them. I wonder how that feels.

What about a transgender person who gets harrased at school for trying to be themselves just because they were born diffrent and there parents dont accept them. I wonder how that feels.

Hulkness

Bad, I'd imagine, but it's no excuse for killing yourself.

[QUOTE="Hulkness"]

What about a transgender person who gets harrased at school for trying to be themselves just because they were born diffrent and there parents dont accept them. I wonder how that feels.

Dark__Link

Bad, I'd imagine, but it's no excuse for killing yourself.

What are you really supposed to do when your that depressed and all your friends and family turn on you?

[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Hulkness"]

What about a transgender person who gets harrased at school for trying to be themselves just because they were born diffrent and there parents dont accept them. I wonder how that feels.

Hulkness

Bad, I'd imagine, but it's no excuse for killing yourself.

What are you really supposed to do when your that depressed and all your friends and family turn on you?

Have faith that things will turn your way eventually. Rough it out. Even if nothing ever goes your way, you still have your life.

You know what's selfish? Other people wanting to keep him alive in absolute misery for the rest of his life, just cause they want him around.Fortier

EXACTLY.

I mean, I don't LIKE seeing anyone commiting suicide, but it's really not my life and it's not my call to make.

If they kill themselves and it was a bad decision, well then, he's dead. He went out the way he wanted, whatever. I don't commend the guy for that, but I don't think less of him for it either. Simply put, he just lived his life the way he wanted to, and died when he thought he was ready.

[QUOTE="Hulkness"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Hulkness"]

What about a transgender person who gets harrased at school for trying to be themselves just because they were born diffrent and there parents dont accept them. I wonder how that feels.

Dark__Link

Bad, I'd imagine, but it's no excuse for killing yourself.

What are you really supposed to do when your that depressed and all your friends and family turn on you?

Have faith that things will turn your way eventually. Rough it out. Even if nothing ever goes your way, you still have your life.

Yeah, a crappy life.

And you STILL end up just as dead, only in this case you've had to go through another few decades of this BS called Life.

Everyone ends up dead. EVERYONE. Many people spend their lives running from death, but it always catches up with them. Is somebody has the balls to cut out all the other BS and go ahead and get to the point sooner, then whatever. I'm not saying that it's good or bad, but it's none of my damn business.