Iraq Crisis: Obama Says He Won’t "Rule Out Anything".

Obama considering options in Iraq

And here we go.

1. Should the US get involve to protect the current Shia government against Sunni insurgents (to "preserve" whatever was gain during the Iraq and all that blood and treasure)?
   1. If your answer is yes, how "involved" should the US be? It has been said Obama is considering man and/or unmanned air strikes but not troops on the ground.
   2. If Obama decides to strike should he ask Congress for authorization?
   3. Will he ask for authorization?

2. Is this part of a broader foreign policy failure of the Obama Administration?

DRONES

Amen.

I'm not sure why he thinks there should be any involvement at all. It wasn't even his war to fight.

I heard Iran is sending troops to help the Iraqi government. It would be strange to see the US teaming up with them.

1. Should the US get involved? I don't know, at this point probably not. Will the US get involved? Probably, in the form of air strikes and/or military aid.

Should Obama go to congress? I'm not sure what the law is here, he might not even have to go to congress depending on how relevant the Iraq war resolution still is and what treaties we have with the Iraqi government. I don't think congress would want anything to do with this in an election year though, so regardless of what the law is I don't think he ends up going to congress.

2. If anything this shows the broader foreign policy failure of the Bush administration. It's hard to overstate how much they fucked up in Iraq after they toppled Saddam, and we're going to be dealing with that **** up for years to come, both in Iraq and in Afghanistan.

dat feel when you dont arm the secular rebels in syria and let gulf donors strengthen jihadists

also dat feel when you invade a country to get access to dat black stuff and walk out like everything is all good

also dat feel when someone is begging you to help them defeat jihadists and you say nah brah

also dat feel when you smoke weed all day at columbia univeristy in your poli sci classes

Do you really want to go back there and churn your debt even deeper in the red in the next 10 years?

It looks like ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) has, within the last several years, conquered almost half of Iraq and Syria:

Territorial control of the ISIS

...All because of NATO's excessive meddling in the region, first with the unprovoked invasion of Iraq and then the arming and funding of rebels in Syria. And now we'll have to deal with ISIS, a group that makes Al Qaeda look like a joke in comparison.

Archer?

Well, the obvious solution would have been to dump trillions into time travel technology and prevent the invasion of Iraq to begin with, or to stop the purge of the educated secular Ba'ath party from public office, or prevent the disbandment of the Iraqi armed forces. Blaming Obama after the mess Bush left Iraq in is like blaming Nixon for Vietnam.

Maybe the best solution is to let the Iranian troops in. They're going in anyways and seem to have a vested interest in preserving the democratically elected government. And the people of Iraq seem less interested in fighting for our goals, after all it's not their goals. I mean we can't stay there indefinitely, I mean who is going to pay for it?

I thought you meant Archer from Fate/Stay Night at first... But then realized you meant the American TV show Archer, which I don't know much about.

I guess it's a coincidence? I doubt Jihadis would name their state/organization after a fictional CIA-like American spy organization... or the Egyptian goddess Isis, for that matter.

"I don't rule out anything because we do have a stake in making sure these jihadists are not getting a permanent foothold in Iraq, or Syria for that matter."

That is Obama's line of thinking.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27823955

I don't even know what to say to that. Even if he was against it he is the Commander in Chief. It is his war to fight, his duty, whether he liked or not (unless by war to to fight you mean the Iraqi sectarian conflict).

For a general background on the whole conflict:

BBC: Iraq conflict: All options open to fight insurgents - Obama

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Here from a Democrat Senator:

Sen. Tim Kaine said Thursday that the situation in Iraq is “very dire” and urged the Obama administration to present a plan to Congress “very, very soon.”

Kaine is among the first Democrats to join a growing chorus of Republicans that have criticized Obama for lack of a clear strategy on Iraq. Al Qaeda-aligned extremists have made significant advances this week and Iraqi government forces are heavily retreating.

Tim Kaine calls on White House for Iraq plan

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One of many reasons of this can become a real headache (another one) for Obama:

The global oil market is already responding to violence in Iraq, one of the world's biggest producers. But it could get much worse.

Violence in Iraq Could Raise the Price at the Pumps

Really? I thought it was religious indoctrination and cultural bigotry...

If Obama is looking for any excuse to abandon Iraq, here's a good reason - two divisions of Iraqi armed forces totaling 30,000 strong, dropped their weapons, equipment, vehicles, body armor, military uniforms, EVERYTHING, when faced with the threat of 800 insurgents in the northern city of Mosul.

30,000 Iraqi troops vs 800 insurgents; Iraqi troops fucking tucked tail and ran!!

Again, not only did they take the territory, they got all the weapons, heavy weapons, military equipment, tanks, trucks, vehicles, body armor, ammunition, Iraq military uniforms... basically everything, and a big fucking moral boost to boot. We don't need to send Iraq more money so they can take it and tuck tail and run, giving their weapons and military equipment that we send them. We can't train them any more than we already have, and we can't stay there indefinitely. I say about the only thing we can do is be like "we trained you fuckers, grow a spine".

These insurgents have God on their side, or so they believe. The rest of the Iraqi armed forces probably joined for nothing more than a steady meal, not to get their bed blown off. It's clear here who has the initiative.

Well, most of the people who supported the Iraq War were indeed indoctrinated bigots. How ironic that Iraq, a formerly secular nation with no Islamist links, is now well on its way to being ruled by ISIS, an Islamist group that even Al Qaeda calls "extremists".

It's like a reverse Thermopylae, with 800 ISIS fighters completely dominating a force consisting of 30,000 NATO-trained Iraqi soldiers, 40,000 Iraqi police, and 150 Iranian special forces. And most of those 30,000 Iraqi soldiers didn't even attempt to fight, but ran for their lives. That's just embarassing.

World Bank owns US government.

The Rothschild family is slowly but surely having their Central banks established in every country of this world, giving them incredible amount of wealth and power. And they are using US government.

Rothschild owned Central Bank:

Central banks are illegally created private banks that are owned by the Rothschild banking family. The family has been around for more than 230 years and has slithered its way into each country on this planet, threatened every world leader and their governments and cabinets with physical and economic death and destruction, and then emplaced their own people in these central banks to control and manage each country’s pocketbook. Worse, the Rothschilds also control the machinations of each government at the macro level, not concerning themselves with the daily vicissitudes of our individual personal lives. Except when we get too far out of line.

In 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank: Afghanistan,Iraq,Sudan,Libya,North Korea,Iran, Cuba

The Attacks of September 11th were an inside job to invade Afghanistan and Iraq to then establish a Central Bank in those countries.

The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are: Cuba, North Korea, Iran. And now they are being pocked at and dragged into conflict.

True, but uh, we don't stone women to death and strap bombs to ourselves with the hopes of getting 72 virgins and rivers of honey.

>No Islamist links

The state itself "probably" had no Islamist links. I'm saying probably because how the **** do you know?

your mom's a whore

also Baghdad will not fall. It has a huge shia population with an interest in not having their family beheaded for being heretics. And iran will fight to protect baghdad along with all the shia militias.

Also about the troops running away, they did so because they were sunnis who want the shia government overthrown, they've never seen a battle in their life and are only in the army for a salary, and because they have no interest in dying for a country they don't even believe in.

Also, much of the funding of Isis happens with effective US consent, given that Saudi Arabia and Qatar do most of the funding (even if its just private citizens there). The fact that Obama can do something about it and does nothing shows his character.

you know who wouldn't have tolerated this shit in iraq?

saddam hussein

sometimes i think the solution is to go all Robespierre on religious people in the middle east

Firstly, the people who "stone women to death and strap bombs" had nothing to do with Saddam-era Iraq... Only indoctrinated bigots wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

And secondly, the only "links" that Saddam had with Islamists is that they wanted him dead... and that's exactly what America did on their behalf.

I'm not too familiar with Robespierre... Judging by what Wikipedia says, he sounds like a liberal, left-wing, anti-war kind of guy.

We soon will be needing to destroy the Saudis. Before they completely abolish Islam and replace it with bidah.

teh irony

Exactly! Flip a coin twice and you shall see the truth you had hidden by the first flip.

those countries are mostly shitholes.. so what are you saying? if you want your country to be a shithole, abolish your central bank?

what are you talking about?

I have no idea myself.

When the world is in turmoil, who ya gonna call? U.S.A. all joking aside, these maf****ers is crazy.

I'm gonna use that line on someone one day, just to watch the crinkle of the brow.

It's sad and funny at the same time to see the U.S' policies towards the Middle East blow up in Obama's face. The U.S' government started an unprovoked war against a stable country at the other end of the world. It then proceeded to instate a Shia government that treated Sunnis as a microscopic minority. Malki's regime has proven itself to be shitty all around, no wonder some folks over there went completely nuts and started to capture parts of the country cooperating with some of the notorious and previously loathed generals of the Saddam's regime.

I'm not following your line of thinking here. Saddam's regime was secular by virtue of the absence of any religious connections and legislations back then. What else does one need to decree that a state is generally secular?

In any case, whether it had Islamic links or not is irrelevant to the current Iraqi reality. Go ask any Iraqi living there and he will tell you just how much Iraq reminisces about Saddam's days. I personally loathed the man as he was a brutal ****, but at least he had the state under proper control. And if it was not for prolonged international sanctions Iraq's economy would have never suffered as it did after the Gulf War. One more triumph of American foreign and security policies in the region.

Both of you can't prove of what you say.

Yeah I am a bigot, religious people are disgusting.

Obama is going to throw everyone a curve ball and have the Russians come in - all Ukraine style - and "protect the rights" of the 2 russian speaking people in Iraq from fascists.

You gotta love Stewart.

Here's what needs to happen: Someone should go back to the 1920's and convince the League of Nations not to create fragile new nations that previously never existed in history from the ashes of the Ottoman Empire out of thin air that are populated by people of different religious and cultural beliefs... oh, that's not possible. Right, then what should be done is someone should go back to 2003 and stop the invasion of Iraq... oh, wait, we can't do that. Okay, then instead someone should go back to 2011 and stop the complete and full withdrawal of US troops from Iraq... oh, can't do that either. Alright, then send someone back to 2012 to stop the arming of the Syrian rebels who include the ISIS... oh, that's not possible either.

Welp, maybe it's best to sit this one out and not take sides.

NO! No more violence!!! That includes anything like drones that don't do anything except exacerbate the problem.

It's more likely that Iran and Syria will destroy the Saudis when Saudi Arabia gets pulled into the conflict along with other mid east nations like Turkey and Jordan.

The Middle East is a powder keg and soon it's going to explode louder than a fire bell in the night.

What kind of bullshit is this? He is the fucking President of the United States, you don't get to choose what you inherit.

the entire world should go into the middle east and purge the place of anyone with a beard

always watch out for the bearded fucks, they're the most dangerous people on the planet. I'm talking about the heavy ass greasy beards- the people who don't even trim that shit for fear of not looking as close to Mohammed as possible. **** those guys.

like this fucking subhuman vermin.

Yeah nothing like killing civilians with drones.

sounds like some shit out of 300, but clearly they didnt want to fight them and believe in their cause