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#1 tgh93_29
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I am a very strong believer and if you want to question my beliefs go right ahead i will do my best to back them up. simply out of curiosity where do atheists belive we came from. if you say evolution, where did the apes come from?
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#2 elblanquito_81
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/facepalm

Jesus Christ, not another one.

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#3 B05T0N
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No.
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#4 notconspiracy
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poe, which is a fancy word for "troll"
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#5 IcyToasters
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Single cell'd organisms. or somthing.

oh. and , *questions TC's beleifs*

- and yeah.. your probabley just gonna start a fight/ pointless debate or get the topic locked or somthing...

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this will turn into an "I don't understand what you believe but what I think you believe is wrong" argument.
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#7 tgh93_29
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/facepalm

Jesus Christ, not another one.

elblanquito_81

i didnt ask you to read it if you dont care about the subject(unfortunateley) dont read it

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#8 UTXII
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Congrats for having the balls to speak your mind, honestly, I couldn't do it. I just lost my faith as a I turned into a teenager, you know, your thought processes change, sometimes even drastically.

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#10 tgh93_29
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this will turn into an "I don't understand what you believe but what I think you believe is wrong" argument.Hewkii
please dint make it that
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#11 notconspiracy
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I am a very strong believer and if you want to question my beliefs go right ahead i will do my best to back them up. simply out of curiosity where do atheists belive we came from. if you say evolution, where did the apes come from?tgh93_29
apes evolved from primates, which evolved from mammals, which evolved from reptiles, which evolved from amphibians, which evolved from bony fish, which evolved from jawless fish, which evolved from polyps, which evolved from protozoans, which evolved from bacteria, which evolved from a stew of organic molecules.

any knowledgeable please fill the gaps

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#12 tgh93_29
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Single cell'd organisms. or somthing.

oh. and , *questions TC's beleifs*

- and yeah.. your probabley just gonna start a fight/ pointless debate or get the topic locked or somthing...

IcyToasters

how do you believe they got there

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#13 Cube_of_MooN
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Look in a Middle School textbook if you want the scientific view of the devlopment of life.
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#14 sarmini
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I hate religious fanatics (Yes, I do believe)
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#15 B05T0N
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[QUOTE="IcyToasters"]

Single cell'd organisms. or somthing.

oh. and , *questions TC's beleifs*

- and yeah.. your probabley just gonna start a fight/ pointless debate or get the topic locked or somthing...

tgh93_29

how do you believe they got there

The Spaghetti Monster dropped them.

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#16 darkmoney52
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I'm an agnostic, I don't think science provides an answer on where we come from, but that doesn't really make the bible any more likely. That said, I don't care if you're Christian so long as you don't feel the urge to say "You're going to hell!" every time you meet an atheist on the forums.
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[QUOTE="tgh93_29"]I am a very strong believer and if you want to question my beliefs go right ahead i will do my best to back them up. simply out of curiosity where do atheists belive we came from. if you say evolution, where did the apes come from?notconspiracy

apes evolved from primates, which evolved from mammals, which evolved from reptiles, which evolved from amphibians, which evolved from bony fish, which evolved from jawless fish, which evolved from polyps, which evolved from protozoans, which evolved from bacteria, which evolved from a stew of organic molecules.

any knowledgeable please fill the gaps

if you believe the "stew of organic molecules" is our origin, where do you believe they came from. where did what created them come from
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#18 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="IcyToasters"]

Single cell'd organisms. or somthing.

oh. and , *questions TC's beleifs*

- and yeah.. your probabley just gonna start a fight/ pointless debate or get the topic locked or somthing...

tgh93_29

how do you believe they got there

lipids, proteins, and nucleotides all are naturally occuring. lipids formed tiny spheres, which were like primitive cell membranes. naturally replicating nucleotides became polynucleotides, which were encased in lipid microspheres. these were the first primitive cells. protocells if you will
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:twisted: Satan loves you too.
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I am a very strong believer and if you want to question my beliefs go right ahead i will do my best to back them up. simply out of curiosity where do atheists belive we came from. if you say evolution, where did the apes come from?tgh93_29

I believe that afterlives are not possible. After all, it makes no sense. Why should we, of all places, enter this one place protected by some supposed Golden Gate? Whoever came up with the idea of Golden Gates? It is all too arbitrary to make sense.

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#21 Uxal
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Lets see, Christianity is a rip off from a bunch of other religions and cults. 10 commandments taken form Egyptian Book of the Dead. Im to lazy to go on.

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#22 tgh93_29
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I'm an agnostic, I don't think science provides an answer on where we come from, but that doesn't really make the bible any more likely. That said, I don't care if you're Christian so long as you don't feel the urge to say "You're going to hell!" every time you meet an atheist on the forums.darkmoney52
any christian who does that should rethink their entire outlook on life
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#23 chrisrooR
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Summary of what will happen within this thread.

Blah blah blah evolution.

Blah blah blah God created everything.

No he didn't.

Yes he did.

There isn't any proof.

Read a bible.

I don't consider a bible proof.

Well I do.

Do you like muffins?

yes.

God doesn't exist, I win.

What about Jesus?

What about him?

You think he was lying?

There's little proof he existed.

The bibl....

*TOPIC LOCKED*

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#24 darkmoney52
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="tgh93_29"]I am a very strong believer and if you want to question my beliefs go right ahead i will do my best to back them up. simply out of curiosity where do atheists belive we came from. if you say evolution, where did the apes come from?tgh93_29

apes evolved from primates, which evolved from mammals, which evolved from reptiles, which evolved from amphibians, which evolved from bony fish, which evolved from jawless fish, which evolved from polyps, which evolved from protozoans, which evolved from bacteria, which evolved from a stew of organic molecules.

any knowledgeable please fill the gaps

if you believe the "stew of organic molecules" is our origin, where do you believe they came from. where did what created them come from

i dunno about all that, but then again where'd god come from. In the end no one knows so why pretend to?

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#25 tgh93_29
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[QUOTE="tgh93_29"]I am a very strong believer and if you want to question my beliefs go right ahead i will do my best to back them up. simply out of curiosity where do atheists belive we came from. if you say evolution, where did the apes come from?unholymight

I believe that afterlives are not possible. After all, it makes no sense. Why should we, of all places, enter this one place protected by some supposed Golden Gate? Whoever came up with the idea of Golden Gates? It is all too arbitrary to make sense.

we werent meant to understand. do you know whereyou came from if not god
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#26 B05T0N
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[QUOTE="unholymight"]

[QUOTE="tgh93_29"]I am a very strong believer and if you want to question my beliefs go right ahead i will do my best to back them up. simply out of curiosity where do atheists belive we came from. if you say evolution, where did the apes come from?tgh93_29

I believe that afterlives are not possible. After all, it makes no sense. Why should we, of all places, enter this one place protected by some supposed Golden Gate? Whoever came up with the idea of Golden Gates? It is all too arbitrary to make sense.

we werent meant to understand. do you know whereyou came from if not god


If you can prove that god exists, I'll believe you.
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#27 darkmoney52
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Summary of what will happen within this thread.

Blah blah blah evolution.

Blah blah blah God created everything.

No he didn't.

Yes he did.

There isn't any proof.

Read a bible.

I don't consider a bible proof.

Well I do.

Do you like muffins?

yes.

God doesn't exist, I win.

What about Jesus?

What about him?

You think he was lying?

There's little proof he existed.

The bibl....

*TOPIC LOCKED*

chrisrooR

Lol, I DO like muffins. As long as they're poppeyseed muffins.

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#28 notconspiracy
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well I should clear some things up.

im not an atheist. I am a christian.

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#29 tgh93_29
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Summary of what will happen within this thread.

Blah blah blah evolution.

Blah blah blah God created everything.

No he didn't.

Yes he did.

There isn't any proof.

Read a bible.

I don't consider a bible proof.

Well I do.

Do you like muffins?

yes.

God doesn't exist, I win.

What about Jesus?

What about him?

You think he was lying?

There's little proof he existed.

The bibl....

*TOPIC LOCKED*

chrisrooR
probably but if you will stop cluttering it up with this useless trash then maybe we will be able to clear up what were talking about without getting sidetracked
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#30 notconspiracy
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Summary of what will happen within this thread.

Blah blah blah evolution.

Blah blah blah God created everything.

No he didn't.

Yes he did.

There isn't any proof.

Read a bible.

I don't consider a bible proof.

Well I do.

Do you like muffins?

yes.

God doesn't exist, I win.

What about Jesus?

What about him?

You think he was lying?

There's little proof he existed.

The bibl....

*TOPIC LOCKED*

chrisrooR
why is the new testament not proof of jesus' existence?
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="tgh93_29"]I am a very strong believer and if you want to question my beliefs go right ahead i will do my best to back them up. simply out of curiosity where do atheists belive we came from. if you say evolution, where did the apes come from?tgh93_29

apes evolved from primates, which evolved from mammals, which evolved from reptiles, which evolved from amphibians, which evolved from bony fish, which evolved from jawless fish, which evolved from polyps, which evolved from protozoans, which evolved from bacteria, which evolved from a stew of organic molecules.

any knowledgeable please fill the gaps

if you believe the "stew of organic molecules" is our origin, where do you believe they came from. where did what created them come from

Where did God come from?
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#32 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="tgh93_29"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="tgh93_29"]I am a very strong believer and if you want to question my beliefs go right ahead i will do my best to back them up. simply out of curiosity where do atheists belive we came from. if you say evolution, where did the apes come from?BenderUnit22

apes evolved from primates, which evolved from mammals, which evolved from reptiles, which evolved from amphibians, which evolved from bony fish, which evolved from jawless fish, which evolved from polyps, which evolved from protozoans, which evolved from bacteria, which evolved from a stew of organic molecules.

any knowledgeable please fill the gaps

if you believe the "stew of organic molecules" is our origin, where do you believe they came from. where did what created them come from

Where did God come from?

God is outside of time
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#33 chrisrooR
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

Summary of what will happen within this thread.

Blah blah blah evolution.

Blah blah blah God created everything.

No he didn't.

Yes he did.

There isn't any proof.

Read a bible.

I don't consider a bible proof.

Well I do.

Do you like muffins?

yes.

God doesn't exist, I win.

What about Jesus?

What about him?

You think he was lying?

There's little proof he existed.

The bibl....

*TOPIC LOCKED*

tgh93_29

probably but if you will stop cluttering it up with this useless trash then maybe we will be able to clear up what were talking about without getting sidetracked

This is a religious discussion. You honestly think that people won't get sidetracked? Observe the five threads above. :|

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#34 Hewkii
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why is the new testament not proof of jesus' existence?notconspiracy

likely the same reason why OJ's testimony isn't proof he's innocent.

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#35 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="BenderUnit22"][QUOTE="tgh93_29"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="tgh93_29"]I am a very strong believer and if you want to question my beliefs go right ahead i will do my best to back them up. simply out of curiosity where do atheists belive we came from. if you say evolution, where did the apes come from?notconspiracy

apes evolved from primates, which evolved from mammals, which evolved from reptiles, which evolved from amphibians, which evolved from bony fish, which evolved from jawless fish, which evolved from polyps, which evolved from protozoans, which evolved from bacteria, which evolved from a stew of organic molecules.

any knowledgeable please fill the gaps

if you believe the "stew of organic molecules" is our origin, where do you believe they came from. where did what created them come from

Where did God come from?

God is outside of time

and is eternal. he was not created
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#36 tgh93_29
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well I should clear some things up.

im not an atheist. I am a christian.

notconspiracy
we dont pretand to know we believe. we have faith. we believe he is omniscient omnipresent and us the beginning and end
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#37 B05T0N
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

Summary of what will happen within this thread.

Blah blah blah evolution.

Blah blah blah God created everything.

No he didn't.

Yes he did.

There isn't any proof.

Read a bible.

I don't consider a bible proof.

Well I do.

Do you like muffins?

yes.

God doesn't exist, I win.

What about Jesus?

What about him?

You think he was lying?

There's little proof he existed.

The bibl....

*TOPIC LOCKED*

tgh93_29
probably but if you will stop cluttering it up with this useless trash


Sort of like religion?
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#38 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"] why is the new testament not proof of jesus' existence?Hewkii

likely the same reason why OJ's testimony isn't proof he's innocent.

lol, seriously, explain in detail why the bible doesn't count
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#39 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

well I should clear some things up.

im not an atheist. I am a christian.

tgh93_29
we dont pretand to know we believe. we have faith. we believe he is omniscient omnipresent and us the beginning and end

in other words, you think that there is no proof of God's existence?
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#41 tgh93_29
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[QUOTE="tgh93_29"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

Summary of what will happen within this thread.

Blah blah blah evolution.

Blah blah blah God created everything.

No he didn't.

Yes he did.

There isn't any proof.

Read a bible.

I don't consider a bible proof.

Well I do.

Do you like muffins?

yes.

God doesn't exist, I win.

What about Jesus?

What about him?

You think he was lying?

There's little proof he existed.

The bibl....

*TOPIC LOCKED*

B05T0N
probably but if you will stop cluttering it up with this useless trash


Sort of like religion?

no and i would appreciate if you left my whole post in like i wrote it instead of just trying to make your point it is very childish
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#42 unholymight
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[QUOTE="tgh93_29"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

[QUOTE="tgh93_29"]I am a very strong believer and if you want to question my beliefs go right ahead i will do my best to back them up. simply out of curiosity where do atheists belive we came from. if you say evolution, where did the apes come from?B05T0N

I believe that afterlives are not possible. After all, it makes no sense. Why should we, of all places, enter this one place protected by some supposed Golden Gate? Whoever came up with the idea of Golden Gates? It is all too arbitrary to make sense.

we werent meant to understand. do you know whereyou came from if not god


If you can prove that god exists, I'll believe you.

I am the result of millions of years of natural selection, and the basis of this concept is that all organisms spend the vast of majority of their energy for reproduction and self-sustainment.

A much steadier path to follow, whereas everything makes sense. There is evolution in theory as well, only those that cannot be proven wrong will live on to the next day. Eventually, a much more logical theory will be able to disprove the Bible.

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#43 Judza
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Aye, someone on here trying to start an age old religion topic...

Guess what mac,

because you're challenging people to post their "evidence" first.

If you start a topic like this, at least give it a little bit more of a push for discussion.

But since I've seen these before, and they always end the same way.

I believe in mutation and evolution, and that when whatever happened those 300 billion years ago happened (not 6000 as Creationism wants us to believe), triggered a mutation in single celled bacteria/organisms. This matured over millions of years (not a few days). Then evolution took its first steps.

As for debunking your rebuttal of "Where did Apes come from?", I'd like you to answer this...

"If Adam and Eve were the only humans on Earth, and they only had two sons...Cain and Abel. Well Cain killed Abel. How did the gene pool get so diverse from just those 3? Is there something not written in the "Good book" that explains all?

Another one, which stumps most...

One of your most deadly sins is "Adultery". Coveting another man's woman, or unsanctimonious love. It's a sin right?

Well then, ever hear the story of the 5 year old who asked this question at Catholic school...

Boy: "So Jesus' dad was God, and Jesus' mum was Mary. Right. So God and Mary were married?"
Nun: "No, Mary was married to Joseph".

Kinda throws a spanner in the works, when the "Omnipotent" was someone who commited one of the sins. Actually, God takes many liberties with Sin. After all, isn't it God's will when floods, lightning etc. affect Earth?

Those "acts of God" as far as I can remember, usually result in some casualties. Kinda hypocritical don't you think, to say "Don't sin, or you are not welcome in heaven", and yet the alleged God you worship is perhaps one of the worst when it comes to committing sin.

Tell me, does that sound like something to be worshipped? A hypocrite.

Meh, others have more to add, but I'm tired of these threads since they are a dime a dozen, and ALL creationists can only use "Faith" as their argument for "Evidence" of God. Makes the debate go knowhere anyway.

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You know what my beliefs are? That Gamespot and Religion should should be like church and state, SEPERATE!

Can we move on to another subject now?

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#45 Hewkii
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lol, seriously, explain in detail why the bible doesn't countnotconspiracy

what I gave is pretty much the reason, namely that you can't solely trust statements from sources that may have been influenced by who you are wondering about.

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#46 tgh93_29
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[QUOTE="tgh93_29"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

well I should clear some things up.

im not an atheist. I am a christian.

notconspiracy
we dont pretand to know we believe. we have faith. we believe he is omniscient omnipresent and us the beginning and end

in other words, you think that there is no proof of God's existence?

no there is proof and we see it every day most are just to narrow minded to see it
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#47 elblanquito_81
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

Summary of what will happen within this thread.

Blah blah blah evolution.

Blah blah blah God created everything.

No he didn't.

Yes he did.

There isn't any proof.

Read a bible.

I don't consider a bible proof.

Well I do.

Do you like muffins?

yes.

God doesn't exist, I win.

What about Jesus?

What about him?

You think he was lying?

There's little proof he existed.

The bibl....

*TOPIC LOCKED*

tgh93_29
probably but if you will stop cluttering it up with this useless trash then maybe we will be able to clear up what were talking about without getting sidetracked

People just never learn. This is what always happens. No one ever talks or discusses things, everyone just wants to be right.
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#48 darkmoney52
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"][QUOTE="BenderUnit22"][QUOTE="tgh93_29"][QUOTE="notconspiracy"]

[QUOTE="tgh93_29"]I am a very strong believer and if you want to question my beliefs go right ahead i will do my best to back them up. simply out of curiosity where do atheists belive we came from. if you say evolution, where did the apes come from?notconspiracy

apes evolved from primates, which evolved from mammals, which evolved from reptiles, which evolved from amphibians, which evolved from bony fish, which evolved from jawless fish, which evolved from polyps, which evolved from protozoans, which evolved from bacteria, which evolved from a stew of organic molecules.

any knowledgeable please fill the gaps

if you believe the "stew of organic molecules" is our origin, where do you believe they came from. where did what created them come from

Where did God come from?

God is outside of time

and is eternal. he was not created

I'll admit I'm kinda ignorant about this(It's been a loooong time since I read the bible) but I don't think it ever said that God was outside of time I thought it just said that he was alpha and omega. Being first doesn't mean he was always there it just means he was first. Which gives me a headache cause if he was first then who made him, unless he exists outside of time in which case who outside of time created him....my head hurts. Oll well I tried to be deep.

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#49 monkeyman360
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"] why is the new testament not proof of jesus' existence?Hewkii

likely the same reason why OJ's testimony isn't proof he's innocent.

lol, exactly
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#50 notconspiracy
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[QUOTE="notconspiracy"] lol, seriously, explain in detail why the bible doesn't countHewkii

what I gave is pretty much the reason, namely that you can't solely trust statements from sources that may have been influenced by who you are wondering about.

okay. well, we still have over a dozen other historians who mention jesus, and paul mentions a creed which mentions him in 1 Corinthians 15, which was written 2-5 years after the life of jesus.