If one believes that there is no point to life...

...and that even self-determination can bring no purpose or not enough purpose, is suicide a legitimate option? Its certainly not the only option when one decides what they want to do with their life, but is it any less of a rightful choice?

If one wants to end their life then let them. The point to life though is to enjoy the short amount of it you have.

Suicide is totally useless and selfish. It certainly doesn't doesn't help anyone around you, either.

Suicide is totally useless and selfish. It certainly doesn't doesn't help anyone around you, either.

ghoklebutter

When you have no other options it is time to be An Hero.. Suicide is a broad term in some contexts so I'm leaning towards the braodest extent of the term when I say the prior.

well if they want to, I wouldnt do it but yea

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Suicide is totally useless and selfish. It certainly doesn't doesn't help anyone around you, either.

ProudLarry

Suicide is not an answer to a problem. If anything it just adds to the problem. When I was younger, I spent a few months on suicide watch. It wasn't until a good friend of mine killed himself that I realized how selfish the act was. He left his friends and family to pick up all of the pieces he left behind, only bringing more hardship and pain into the world. After that I decided to get my own act together and do what I could to take some of that pain away.

I decided to go to college, and got involved with a lot of volunteer organizations. I had the opportunity to travel to Guatemala, where we built houses, and in exchange the people getting the houses would volunteer 100 hours at the local orphanage. When we weren't building the houses, we were spending time in the orphanage. It is experiences like this that made me realize how good I had it, and I never even knew it. I often wish I could go back in time with what I know now.

My point is, if you feel there is no point to life, make a point. If you think this world isn't worth living in, do whatever the hell you can to make it livable. You've literally got nothing to lose if you are contemplating suicide. Don't settle for less. When you leave this world, leave it behind changed for the better because you were here. Sure, life sucks. So why don't you try and make it a little less sucky?

Is suicide an option? Yes. But is it a good, smart, or even reasonable one? No.

My question would be: why?

The only way I can ever see myself doing it is if I have a terminal illness that is incurable and is taking up a fortune just to prolong my dying life, then I would ever consider committing suicide as a way to release everyone from the ongoing pain, myself included.

Other than that, I have yet to see a good reason for it.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Suicide is totally useless and selfish. It certainly doesn't doesn't help anyone around you, either.

ProudLarry

Suicide is totally useless and selfish. It certainly doesn't doesn't help anyone around you, either.

ghoklebutter

Ignorace is bliss.

Suicide really doesn't help you on anyone else around you......unless it's you Wife/Husband and they want to collect insurance and inheritance money, either way, it's nonsense no matter what your reasons are to do it........tocool340

If one wants to end their life then let them. The point to life though is to enjoy the short amount of it you have.

Pirate700

Suicide is not the answer but I can see why many consider it an option,

Yeah, it's a free country.get-ka12

What country are you talking about? You sound like an American. Life is absolute and not without consequences.

[QUOTE="get-ka12"]Yeah, it's a free country.Johnny_Rock

What country are you talking about? You sound like an American. Life is absolute and not without consequences.

Yeah, I sound like an American because I value freedom and free choice? I'm not socialist. I appreciate the freedom I have to be free and not be chained to a giant wheel just because the wheel wants to churn in a certain direction.

As an American, I have the liberty to forge my own destiny, not eat the one the Fed puts directly into my face.

Freedom is SUCH a bad thing. :roll:

By the way, yeah, if someone does something, there are consequences, and it is up to the person to decide which consequences would be more desirable to have given a choice between various options.

Besides, I was just being funny when I said "yeah, it's a free country." The response was more meant to be dopey than to be taken seriously. I don't know, I don't think there's an absolute "do what you want" philosophy involved and I don't think there's the absolute "don't do it" philosophy involved either. It really depends. Neither "complete free choice" nor "complete control" should be embraced despite reason, logic, and good sense.

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="get-ka12"]Yeah, it's a free country.get-ka12

What country are you talking about? You sound like an American. Life is absolute and not without consequences.

Yeah, I sound like an American because I value freedom and free choice? I'm not socialist. I appreciate the freedom I have to be free and not be chained to a giant wheel just because the wheel wants to churn in a certain direction.

As an American, I have the liberty to forge my own destiny, not eat the one the Fed puts directly into my face.

Freedom is SUCH a bad thing. :roll:

By the way, yeah, if someone does something, there are consequences, and it is up to the person to decide which consequences would be more desirable to have given a choice between various options.

Besides, I was just being funny when I said "yeah, it's a free country." The response was more meant to be dopey than to be taken seriously. I don't know, I don't think there's an absolute "do what you want" philosophy involved and I don't think there's the absolute "don't do it" philosophy involved either. It really depends. Neither "complete free choice" nor "complete control" should be embraced despite reason, logic, and good sense.

Freedom, to such a degree is a bad choice. Allowing someone to determine their own demise is ludicrous, IMHO. Freedom in America (of which I live) can only be described as precarious. Just ask the girl in Oakland California that was gang raped for two and a half hours, outside a school dance, what she thinks of our "freedom".

If one believes that there is no point to life and that even self-determination can bring no purpose or not enough purpose, is suicide a legitimate option?ProudLarry

Its certainly not the only option when one decides what they want to do with their life, but is it any less of a rightful choice?

ProudLarry

Even if you believe there is not point of life, you can stilll strive for happiness, which makes our existence enjoyable. Suicide is the "easy way out", if you will, that is for cowards and those with major mental disorders.

If you dont want to live then you shouldnt live its your choice.

[QUOTE="get-ka12"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

What country are you talking about? You sound like an American. Life is absolute and not without consequences.

Johnny_Rock

Yeah, I sound like an American because I value freedom and free choice? I'm not socialist. I appreciate the freedom I have to be free and not be chained to a giant wheel just because the wheel wants to churn in a certain direction.

As an American, I have the liberty to forge my own destiny, not eat the one the Fed puts directly into my face.

Freedom is SUCH a bad thing. :roll:

By the way, yeah, if someone does something, there are consequences, and it is up to the person to decide which consequences would be more desirable to have given a choice between various options.

Besides, I was just being funny when I said "yeah, it's a free country." The response was more meant to be dopey than to be taken seriously. I don't know, I don't think there's an absolute "do what you want" philosophy involved and I don't think there's the absolute "don't do it" philosophy involved either. It really depends. Neither "complete free choice" nor "complete control" should be embraced despite reason, logic, and good sense.

Freedom, to such a degree is a bad choice. Allowing someone to determine their own demise is ludicrous, IMHO. Freedom in America (of which I live) can only be described as precarious. Just ask the girl in Oakland California that was gang raped for two and a half hours, outside a school dance, what she thinks of our "freedom".

You find a worse case scenario in which freedom is abused. There are limits to everything. You have to find the right balance so that one isn't completely "free" and one isn't completely "chained up."

"Freedom" isn't about "doing whatever you want," it is about being able to make free choices based on various things.

[QUOTE="tocool340"]Suicide really doesn't help you on anyone else around you......unless it's you Wife/Husband and they want to collect insurance and inheritance money, either way, it's nonsense no matter what your reasons are to do it........St_JimmyX

Life doesn't need somebody else's dictated meanings to be fulfilling. If you don't feel a failure for not living up to impossible standards, you're probably going to be less stressed and less miserable.

Re. religion: If you imagine that a loss of faith is the loss of a real eternal life and loss of God, then accepting the alternative to religious belief would be seriously depressing, but if you treat it as a realisation of how valuable life really is and an awakening from life-draining delusions, there is no way that suicide would be your first thought.

No.

Life is full of surprises.. You'll never know whats going to happen tomorrow..

Protestants commit suicide at a higher rate than any other group. Suicide doesn't necessarily rely on your belief system, it's just a matter of if you think you can go on living or not.

I don't believe suicide is ever the answer.