I have a question about vegetarians.

I have a question about vegetarians.

Why is it that some vegetarians are against eating meat because certain animals were slaughtered for it? Around 10,000 years ago, humans would have to hunt down other animals for survival. Men would do the hunting while women would usually gather plants for consuming. It was all about survival back then. Humans are naturally omnivores and we eat plants as well as other animals. It doesn't make sense to be against eating other animals as we are omnivores. Plants are living organisms, as well. Vegetables are plants. When a vegetarian eats a vegetable, they're eating a living thing. So it's acceptable to eat plants but not other animals? It doesn't make sense.

my friend is a vegetarian and she just believes that cows are cute and doesn't like the way they're killed. its just a choice and its nothing i can't change her mind. plus then was then now is now. we're an organized society not a nomadic tribes people. it might not be the answer your looking for but i am pro meat.

I'm more repulsed by the treatment of animals in many situations than anything else. If it were like the Native Americans, where they thanked and respected the animals that they ate, that'd be one thing, but... it's not. :P

It's not necessary for our survivalto eat meat, and though it might be natural (and, by the way, this is not synonymous with moral) to eat meat, it is certainly unnatural (but again this does not mean immoral) to farm animals the way we do. Plus it is inefficient in terms of resources to eat meat, as heterotrophic nutrition is only 10% efficient.

I'm playing devil's advocate, by the way. I love meat.

I'm more repulsed by the treatment of animals in many situations than anything else. If it were like the Native Americans, where they thanked and respected the animals that they ate, that'd be one thing, but... it's not. :P

GabuEx

Other cultures practiced this as well...not just people indigenous to North America. Prayers made to God by Jews, Christians and Muslims have similar origins of thought...they thanked God for providing the food provided to them, and showed appreciation and respect to that animal for its life.

Modern culture has largely forgotten this, as a lot of people just don't believe in God. Also, most people don't go out and slaughter their own food. The modern grocery store has rendered meat just another commodity, mass-produced for consumption and profit, with little thought to where that food came from.

I'm more repulsed by the treatment of animals in many situations than anything else. If it were like the Native Americans, where they thanked and respected the animals that they ate, that'd be one thing, but... it's not. :P

GabuEx

u mean the same native americans who hunted the woolly mammoth to extinction. That is really respectful.

u mean the same native americans who hunted the woolly mammoth to extinction. That is really respectful.

TheSpinLight

Woolly mammoths lived in Europe and Siberia, and were already close to extinction prior to the influence of humans due to the effects of climate change.

Try again. :P

It's not necessary for our survivalto eat meat, and though it might be natural (and, by the way, this is not synonymous with moral) to eat meat, it is certainly unnatural (but again this does not mean immoral) to farm animals the way we do. Plus it is inefficient in terms of resources to eat meat, as heterotrophic nutrition is only 10% efficient.

I'm playing devil's advocate, by the way. I love meat.

_glatisant_

is it really that unnatural to farm meat if we learnt how to do it cuz i dnt think knowledge is unnatural. Also the 10% efficiency depends on what part of the animal u eatand which animal it is

I'm more repulsed by the treatment of animals in many situations than anything else. If it were like the Native Americans, where they thanked and respected the animals that they ate, that'd be one thing, but... it's not. :P

GabuEx

[QUOTE="TheSpinLight"]

u mean the same native americans who hunted the woolly mammoth to extinction. That is really respectful.

GabuEx

Woolly mammoths lived in Europe and Siberia, and were already close to extinction prior to the influence of humans due to the effects of climate change.

Try again. :P

still doesnt change the fact that the hunting of them sped up the extiction process

I have a question about vegetarians.

Why is it that some vegetarians are against eating meat because certain animals were slaughtered for it? Around 10,000 years ago, humans would have to hunt down other animals for survival. Men would do the hunting while women would usually gather plants for consuming. It was all about survival back then. Humans are naturally omnivores and we eat plants as well as other animals. It doesn't make sense to be against eating other animals as we are omnivores. Plants are living organisms, as well. Vegetables are plants. When a vegetarian eats a vegetable, they're eating a living thing. So it's acceptable to eat plants but not other animals? It doesn't make sense.

gamerguru100

Most vegetarians see it that in this day and age we can live healthly without eating meat.

I'm more repulsed by the treatment of animals in many situations than anything else. If it were like the Native Americans, where they thanked and respected the animals that they ate, that'd be one thing, but... it's not. :P

GabuEx

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I'm more repulsed by the treatment of animals in many situations than anything else. If it were like the Native Americans, where they thanked and respected the animals that they ate, that'd be one thing, but... it's not. :P

Vandalvideo

Most vegetarians see it that in this day and age we can live healthly without eating meat.

RiseAgainst12

[QUOTE="TheSpinLight"]

u mean the same native americans who hunted the woolly mammoth to extinction. That is really respectful.

GabuEx

Woolly mammoths lived in Europe and Siberia, and were already close to extinction prior to the influence of humans due to the effects of climate change.

Try again. :P

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

Most vegetarians see it that in this day and age we can live healthly without eating meat.

clyde46

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

Most vegetarians see it that in this day and age we can live healthly without eating meat.

clyde46

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

I have a question about vegetarians.

Why is it that some vegetarians are against eating meat because certain animals were slaughtered for it? Around 10,000 years ago, humans would have to hunt down other animals for survival. Men would do the hunting while women would usually gather plants for consuming. It was all about survival back then. Humans are naturally omnivores and we eat plants as well as other animals. It doesn't make sense to be against eating other animals as we are omnivores. Plants are living organisms, as well. Vegetables are plants. When a vegetarian eats a vegetable, they're eating a living thing. So it's acceptable to eat plants but not other animals? It doesn't make sense.

Bourbons3

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

Most vegetarians see it that in this day and age we can live healthly without eating meat.

clyde46

Huh? The main things you need to have healthy bowels are fiber and water, which are certainly not retrieved through meat. In fact, the abundant consumption of red meat has been linked to an increased risk of colon cancer.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

Most vegetarians see it that in this day and age we can live healthly without eating meat.

Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

I have a question about vegetarians.

Why is it that some vegetarians are against eating meat because certain animals were slaughtered for it? Around 10,000 years ago, humans would have to hunt down other animals for survival. Men would do the hunting while women would usually gather plants for consuming. It was all about survival back then. Humans are naturally omnivores and we eat plants as well as other animals. It doesn't make sense to be against eating other animals as we are omnivores. Plants are living organisms, as well. Vegetables are plants. When a vegetarian eats a vegetable, they're eating a living thing. So it's acceptable to eat plants but not other animals? It doesn't make sense.

gamerguru100

Because we have evolved and we can live fine without eating meat.

Plants are living organisms but they don't scream in pain when we chop them up into pieces to eat.

Because we have evolved and we can live fine without eating meat.

Plants are living organisms but they don't scream in pain when we chop them up into pieces to eat.

muffincakes87

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

Most vegetarians see it that in this day and age we can live healthly without eating meat.

GabuEx

Huh? The main things you need to have healthy bowels are fiber and water, which are certainly not retrieved through meat. In fact, the abundant consumption of red meat has been linked to an increased risk of colon cancer.

[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

Because we have evolved and we can live fine without eating meat.

Plants are living organisms but they don't scream in pain when we chop them up into pieces to eat.

Vandalvideo

I think people think too much about what they're eating. If everyone was introduced to videos of farmers "torturing" and slaughtering animals, a good majority of us would be vegetarians. Meat is incredibly healthy, without it you need to take vitamins and minerals to make up for the lost nutrients. Man has been killing animals for thousands of years. Why stop now? Because it's cruel? Frenzyd109

[QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

Because we have evolved and we can live fine without eating meat.

Plants are living organisms but they don't scream in pain when we chop them up into pieces to eat.

Vandalvideo

The plants are talking...

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

Because we have evolved and we can live fine without eating meat.

Plants are living organisms but they don't scream in pain when we chop them up into pieces to eat.

muffincakes87

The plants are talking...

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="muffincakes87"]

Because we have evolved and we can live fine without eating meat.

Plants are living organisms but they don't scream in pain when we chop them up into pieces to eat.

clyde46

That episode of Mythbusters basically only proved what we already knew: that plants respond to stimuli. That doesn't mean they actually feel pain in the same way as we do - given that they have neither any central nervous system nor indeed any brain at all, it would be difficult to make the claim that they do.

Yea, but were adult humans drinking the lactate of other mammals 10,000 years ago?

I have a question about vegetarians.

Why is it that some vegetarians are against eating meat because certain animals were slaughtered for it? Around 10,000 years ago, humans would have to hunt down other animals for survival. Men would do the hunting while women would usually gather plants for consuming. It was all about survival back then. Humans are naturally omnivores and we eat plants as well as other animals. It doesn't make sense to be against eating other animals as we are omnivores. Plants are living organisms, as well. Vegetables are plants. When a vegetarian eats a vegetable, they're eating a living thing. So it's acceptable to eat plants but not other animals? It doesn't make sense.

gamerguru100

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I'm more repulsed by the treatment of animals in many situations than anything else. If it were like the Native Americans, where they thanked and respected the animals that they ate, that'd be one thing, but... it's not. :P

STurn21

Than why don't you just thanking and respecting the animals you eat?

I don't exactly think that that would make their living conditions prior to death any better.

You don't have to go to the store and to buy meat. There are other means of doing so.

STurn21

I'm not strictly a vegetarian; I'm just saying one of the reasons why people are opposed to the thought of eating meat.

Most plants can produce a fruit (or vegetable) that's intended to fall off and/or be eaten, therefore, we aren't harming the plant in most situations.

I'm more repulsed by the treatment of animals in many situations than anything else. If it were like the Native Americans, where they thanked and respected the animals that they ate, that'd be one thing, but... it's not. :P

GabuEx

[QUOTE="_glatisant_"]

It's not necessary for our survivalto eat meat, and though it might be natural (and, by the way, this is not synonymous with moral) to eat meat, it is certainly unnatural (but again this does not mean immoral) to farm animals the way we do. Plus it is inefficient in terms of resources to eat meat, as heterotrophic nutrition is only 10% efficient.

I'm playing devil's advocate, by the way. I love meat.

TheSpinLight

is it really that unnatural to farm meat if we learnt how to do it cuz i dnt think knowledge is unnatural. Also the 10% efficiency depends on what part of the animal u eatand which animal it is

so.... meat would cost 100 bucks a pound and be sold on gold platters with incense included?12345678ew

I'm beginning to get the sense that people are wilfully missing my point.

No, all I want is to bring to an end the paradigm of extremely poor living conditions for animals bred for slaughter, such that they are no longer treated purely as objects for human consumption.

plant's don't feel anything and have no senses.

[QUOTE="12345678ew"]so.... meat would cost 100 bucks a pound and be sold on gold platters with incense included?GabuEx

I'm beginning to get the sense that people are wilfully missing my point.

No, all I want is to bring to an end the paradigm of extremely poor living conditions for animals bred for slaughter, such that they are no longer treated purely as objects for human consumption.

Sadly that will never happen as long as they are objects for human consumption. Right now, we can't produce that much meat without putting them in bad living conditions. They will always be treated poorly as long as we continue to eat them. I'm not fundamentally opposed to eating them, I just don't think our planet will be able to support the billions of people who eat meat multiple times every day. I don't think we will have to resources to eat that inefficiently for much longer.

i like 'em both.

Vegitarians are Noobs, lol

my boss is actually an organic vegan, and he doesnt eat me for many reasons, 1st off it is not generally good for you, also its not the killing of animals that bug him but that they are feed hormone enhanced food and are tortured which he doesnt agree with. ive heard stories from him where they cut of the beaks off of the chickens and stick them in a farm and cram pack them in. i am actually trying to cut down on meat consumption and eat more fruits, veggies, and breads