Though hardly an international crisis, Hamas keeps bombing, Israel keeps going psycho. And to be honest I can't really disagree with Israel, all of its neighbors were pushing their luck, and their luck ran out and Israel broke their face in. Don't poke a lion with a stick and expect it to do nothing.
Yea for some time there has been a shitstorm in the cooking. Hamas has been marginalized and further isolated for a while after its stunt with Egypt and Syria and now its turning to violence with Israel to safe face and get back to the front of the regional scene and get some international attention. Also, its being financially squeezed again as a result of its stunt with Egypt and to a lesser extent with Syria. Too bad we're going to be dragged along into this and Hamas won't lose much in the process. Fascist deranged fucks.
Yea for some time there has been a shitstorm in the cooking. Hamas has been marginalized and further isolated for a while after its stunt with Egypt and Syria and now its turning to violence with Israel to safe face and get back to the front of the regional scene and get some international attention. Also, its being financially squeezed again as a result of its stunt with Egypt and to a lesser extent with Syria. Too bad we're going to be dragged along into this and Hamas won't lose much in the process. Fascist deranged fucks.
How many people in Gaza would you say disagree with hamas?
Yea for some time there has been a shitstorm in the cooking. Hamas has been marginalized and further isolated for a while after its stunt with Egypt and Syria and now its turning to violence with Israel to safe face and get back to the front of the regional scene and get some international attention. Also, its being financially squeezed again as a result of its stunt with Egypt and to a lesser extent with Syria. Too bad we're going to be dragged along into this and Hamas won't lose much in the process. Fascist deranged fucks.
How many people in Gaza would you say disagree with hamas?
I would say its a 50/50 split. But it must be pointed out that even among the 50% that do support Hamas, a considerable amount of them is not ideologically driven, they're rather "pragmatists". Their thinking is along the line of if Hamas controls the place then supporting them is the only way to have any prospect of a job, cash assistance, social support...etc and given how heavily isolated the strip is, they can't see another alternative to turn to. I personally would rather starve though and I've been unemployed for the last three years.
The thing about Gaza is that demography and geography play a huge role. The geographic depth of the place is puny so any organized group with sufficient firepower will easily establish its reign in there. Demography wise, the strip is home for a population of 1.7 million, and when you have half of them supporting the status quo, its impossible to do anything about it, its just not going to happen, it does not have the potential to happen on its own. The fact that we're completely shut out of the rest of the world and have zero access to the actual geographic depth of Palestinian territories, the west bank that also has the more liberal or "laid back" population, doesn't help at all. Add to that the suffocating Israeli blockade and you get the FUBAR situation that has been prevailing for years.
On topic, it must be pointed out that during the past few weeks I've repeatedly heard sounds of many airstrikes so yea Israel might be looking for some action too for God knows why.
Yea for some time there has been a shitstorm in the cooking. Hamas has been marginalized and further isolated for a while after its stunt with Egypt and Syria and now its turning to violence with Israel to safe face and get back to the front of the regional scene and get some international attention. Also, its being financially squeezed again as a result of its stunt with Egypt and to a lesser extent with Syria. Too bad we're going to be dragged along into this and Hamas won't lose much in the process. Fascist deranged fucks.
How many people in Gaza would you say disagree with hamas?
I would say its a 50/50 split. But it must be pointed out that even among the 50% that do support Hamas, a considerable amount of them is not ideologically driven, they're rather "pragmatists". Their thinking is along the line of if Hamas controls the place then supporting them is the only way to have any prospect of a job, cash assistance, social support...etc and given how heavily isolated the strip is, they can't see another alternative to turn to. I personally would rather starve though and I've been unemployed for the last three years.
The thing about Gaza is that demography and geography play a huge role. The geographic depth of the place is puny so any organized group with sufficient firepower will easily establish its reign in there. Demography wise, the strip is home for a population of 1.7 million, and when you have half of them supporting the status quo, its impossible to do anything about it, its just not going to happen, it does not have the potential to happen on its own. The fact that we're completely shut out of the rest of the world and have zero access to the actual geographic depth of Palestinian territories, the west bank that also has the more liberal or "laid back" population, doesn't help at all. Add to that the suffocating Israeli blockade and you get the FUBAR situation that has been prevailing for years.
I see , it's quite the predicament. Most people in the west (at least, in the netherlands) only want to interfere diplomatically. They are extremely weary of war, so they'll never support military action. The best you could hope for is that the western countries help to bring peace between Isreal and Gaza, but even that is nigh impossible because neither side wants to concede anything.
Yea for some time there has been a shitstorm in the cooking. Hamas has been marginalized and further isolated for a while after its stunt with Egypt and Syria and now its turning to violence with Israel to safe face and get back to the front of the regional scene and get some international attention. Also, its being financially squeezed again as a result of its stunt with Egypt and to a lesser extent with Syria. Too bad we're going to be dragged along into this and Hamas won't lose much in the process. Fascist deranged fucks.
How many people in Gaza would you say disagree with hamas?
I would say its a 50/50 split. But it must be pointed out that even among the 50% that do support Hamas, a considerable amount of them is not ideologically driven, they're rather "pragmatists". Their thinking is along the line of if Hamas controls the place then supporting them is the only way to have any prospect of a job, cash assistance, social support...etc and given how heavily isolated the strip is, they can't see another alternative to turn to. I personally would rather starve though and I've been unemployed for the last three years.
The thing about Gaza is that demography and geography play a huge role. The geographic depth of the place is puny so any organized group with sufficient firepower will easily establish its reign in there. Demography wise, the strip is home for a population of 1.7 million, and when you have half of them supporting the status quo, its impossible to do anything about it, its just not going to happen, it does not have the potential to happen on its own. The fact that we're completely shut out of the rest of the world and have zero access to the actual geographic depth of Palestinian territories, the west bank that also has the more liberal or "laid back" population, doesn't help at all. Add to that the suffocating Israeli blockade and you get the FUBAR situation that has been prevailing for years.
I see , it's quite the predicament. Most people in the west (at least, in the netherlands) only want to interfere diplomatically. They are extremely weary of war, so they'll never support military action. The best you could hope for is that the western countries help to bring peace between Isreal and Gaza, but even that is nigh impossible because neither side wants to concede anything.
Btw, any progress on getting your visa?
Military intervention is not really an option given the history and the landscapes of the conflict, irregardless of the willingness any international power anyway so yea not gonna happen either. And I was just today reading about the failure of the Dutch peacekeeping forces in Bosnia and Liberia in the near past so yea I understand what you're saying.
And no, no progress in getting a visa. To be honest I'm not trying for the time being, I'm focusing on other things that should keep me busy for a while. I recently turned some offer down but I can't go into much details so yea hopefully the near future will bring something. I've come to see the value of being a man with infinite patience.
@GazaAli so it is not just a name then? Well for what it is worth I respect your position. It is good to at least see an unbiased view toward the whole thing for what it is from someone experiencing it first hand. Stay safe. No bullshitting here. I can disagree with you on shit but I don't wish what you are living on anyone....well almost anyone.
@GazaAli so it is not just a name then? Well for what it is worth I respect your position. It is good to at least see an unbiased view toward the whole thing for what it is from someone experiencing it first hand. Stay safe. No bullshitting here. I can disagree with you on shit but I don't wish what you are living on anyone....well almost anyone.
Well thank you, hopefully things will change some time in the near future.
Why people still mess with Israel is completely beyond me. Every time in recent history that a country has picked a fight with Israel they lose, and they lose badly. You think someone would learn their lesson.
Why people still mess with Israel is completely beyond me. Every time in recent history that a country has picked a fight with Israel they lose, and they lose badly. You think someone would learn their lesson.
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Why people still mess with Israel is completely beyond me. Every time in recent history that a country has picked a fight with Israel they lose, and they lose badly. You think someone would learn their lesson.
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Egypt why? About Lebanon i kind of agree. Hizbullah isn't stronger than the IDF but they pretty exhaust them much like the Vietcong was for the US.
Why people still mess with Israel is completely beyond me. Every time in recent history that a country has picked a fight with Israel they lose, and they lose badly. You think someone would learn their lesson.
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Oh **** off with the US bitch crap. Israel use their own training and own manpower and strategic decisions to destroy their opponents. Give credit where it's properly due instead of beating around the bush. And I have no idea what you mean about Egypt when Egypt got it's ass kicked in the Yom Kippur War in the end.
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Egypt why? About Lebanon i kind of agree. Hizbullah isn't stronger than the IDF but they pretty exhaust them much like the Vietcong was for the US.
Its the only Israel neighboring country that has not been a total **** over the course of the past 65 years or so. It managed to reestablish its full sovereignty in 1973 after the defeat of 1967 and the fall of Sinai. The penetration of Bar Lev line was stuff of legend. You can't dismiss that Egypt has been a key player in regional conflicts and in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict too. I will also add its among the few, if not the only state with a respectable military establishment and intelligence agency in the region.
Why people still mess with Israel is completely beyond me. Every time in recent history that a country has picked a fight with Israel they lose, and they lose badly. You think someone would learn their lesson.
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Oh **** off with the US bitch crap. Israel use their own training and own manpower and strategic decisions to destroy their opponents. Give credit where it's properly due instead of beating around the bush. And I have no idea what you mean about Egypt when Egypt got it's ass kicked in the Yom Kippur War in the end.
Sooooo, you want to tell me that the U.S had and currently has nothing to do with Israel's overall supremacy?
Carry on.
Oh and Egypt did return the favor in 1973. In the war of Sinai liberation the Egyptian army was ready to close in to Israel after the fall of Bar Lex line and the Nixon administration stepped in to broker a peace deal with Saddat. Yea the irony in light of your comment.
Yea for some time there has been a shitstorm in the cooking. Hamas has been marginalized and further isolated for a while after its stunt with Egypt and Syria and now its turning to violence with Israel to safe face and get back to the front of the regional scene and get some international attention. Also, its being financially squeezed again as a result of its stunt with Egypt and to a lesser extent with Syria. Too bad we're going to be dragged along into this and Hamas won't lose much in the process. Fascist deranged fucks.
How many people in Gaza would you say disagree with hamas?
I would say its a 50/50 split. But it must be pointed out that even among the 50% that do support Hamas, a considerable amount of them is not ideologically driven, they're rather "pragmatists". Their thinking is along the line of if Hamas controls the place then supporting them is the only way to have any prospect of a job, cash assistance, social support...etc and given how heavily isolated the strip is, they can't see another alternative to turn to. I personally would rather starve though and I've been unemployed for the last three years.
The thing about Gaza is that demography and geography play a huge role. The geographic depth of the place is puny so any organized group with sufficient firepower will easily establish its reign in there. Demography wise, the strip is home for a population of 1.7 million, and when you have half of them supporting the status quo, its impossible to do anything about it, its just not going to happen, it does not have the potential to happen on its own. The fact that we're completely shut out of the rest of the world and have zero access to the actual geographic depth of Palestinian territories, the west bank that also has the more liberal or "laid back" population, doesn't help at all. Add to that the suffocating Israeli blockade and you get the FUBAR situation that has been prevailing for years.
I see , it's quite the predicament. Most people in the west (at least, in the netherlands) only want to interfere diplomatically. They are extremely weary of war, so they'll never support military action. The best you could hope for is that the western countries help to bring peace between Isreal and Gaza, but even that is nigh impossible because neither side wants to concede anything.
Btw, any progress on getting your visa?
Military intervention is not really an option given the history and the landscapes of the conflict, irregardless of the willingness any international power anyway so yea not gonna happen either. And I was just today reading about the failure of the Dutch peacekeeping forces in Bosnia and Liberia in the near past so yea I understand what you're saying.
And no, no progress in getting a visa. To be honest I'm not trying for the time being, I'm focusing on other things that should keep me busy for a while. I recently turned some offer down but I can't go into much details so yea hopefully the near future will bring something. I've come to see the value of being a man with infinite patience.
Why people still mess with Israel is completely beyond me. Every time in recent history that a country has picked a fight with Israel they lose, and they lose badly. You think someone would learn their lesson.
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Oh **** off with the US bitch crap. Israel use their own training and own manpower and strategic decisions to destroy their opponents. Give credit where it's properly due instead of beating around the bush. And I have no idea what you mean about Egypt when Egypt got it's ass kicked in the Yom Kippur War in the end.
Sooooo, you want to tell me that the U.S had and currently has nothing to do with Israel's overall supremacy?
Carry on.
Oh and Egypt did return the favor in 1973. In the war of Sinai liberation the Egyptian army was ready to close in to Israel after the fall of Bar Lex line and the Nixon administration stepped in to broker a peace deal with Saddat. Yea the irony in light of your comment.
Sinai, you mean territory that was rightfully annexed after Egypt chose to attack Israel on a holiday? Funny you call it a liberation, they made a bet and lost boohoo. They were ready to close in Israel, you're right but they were just going to end up losing in the end. Nixon had to step in or it'd just be continuing the slaughter fest that is war.
Why people still mess with Israel is completely beyond me. Every time in recent history that a country has picked a fight with Israel they lose, and they lose badly. You think someone would learn their lesson.
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Oh **** off with the US bitch crap. Israel use their own training and own manpower and strategic decisions to destroy their opponents. Give credit where it's properly due instead of beating around the bush. And I have no idea what you mean about Egypt when Egypt got it's ass kicked in the Yom Kippur War in the end.
Sooooo, you want to tell me that the U.S had and currently has nothing to do with Israel's overall supremacy?
Carry on.
Oh and Egypt did return the favor in 1973. In the war of Sinai liberation the Egyptian army was ready to close in to Israel after the fall of Bar Lex line and the Nixon administration stepped in to broker a peace deal with Saddat. Yea the irony in light of your comment.
Sinai, you mean territory that was rightfully annexed after Egypt chose to attack Israel on a holiday? Funny you call it a liberation, they made a bet and lost boohoo. They were ready to close in Israel, you're right but they were just going to end up losing in the end. Nixon had to step in or it'd just be continuing the slaughter fest that is war.
Clearly you don't know what you're talking about and you so obviously have no idea about the region whatsoever.
Military intervention is not really an option given the history and the landscapes of the conflict, irregardless of the willingness any international power anyway so yea not gonna happen either. And I was just today reading about the failure of the Dutch peacekeeping forces in Bosnia and Liberia in the near past so yea I understand what you're saying.
And no, no progress in getting a visa. To be honest I'm not trying for the time being, I'm focusing on other things that should keep me busy for a while. I recently turned some offer down but I can't go into much details so yea hopefully the near future will bring something. I've come to see the value of being a man with infinite patience.
Fleeca
Not following...I googled it and apparently its a bank in GTA V?
Military intervention is not really an option given the history and the landscapes of the conflict, irregardless of the willingness any international power anyway so yea not gonna happen either. And I was just today reading about the failure of the Dutch peacekeeping forces in Bosnia and Liberia in the near past so yea I understand what you're saying.
And no, no progress in getting a visa. To be honest I'm not trying for the time being, I'm focusing on other things that should keep me busy for a while. I recently turned some offer down but I can't go into much details so yea hopefully the near future will bring something. I've come to see the value of being a man with infinite patience.
Fleeca
Not following...I googled it and apparently its a bank in GTA V?
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Egypt why? About Lebanon i kind of agree. Hizbullah isn't stronger than the IDF but they pretty exhaust them much like the Vietcong was for the US.
Its the only Israel neighboring country that has not been a total **** over the course of the past 65 years or so. It managed to reestablish its full sovereignty in 1973 after the defeat of 1967 and the fall of Sinai. The penetration of Bar Lev line was stuff of legend. You can't dismiss that Egypt has been a key player in regional conflicts and in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict too. I will also add its among the few, if not the only state with a respectable military establishment and intelligence agency in the region.
What? Egypt was not even close to regaining Sinai. Israel controlled more territory than they lost during that war.
Why people still mess with Israel is completely beyond me. Every time in recent history that a country has picked a fight with Israel they lose, and they lose badly. You think someone would learn their lesson.
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Oh **** off with the US bitch crap. Israel use their own training and own manpower and strategic decisions to destroy their opponents. Give credit where it's properly due instead of beating around the bush. And I have no idea what you mean about Egypt when Egypt got it's ass kicked in the Yom Kippur War in the end.
Sooooo, you want to tell me that the U.S had and currently has nothing to do with Israel's overall supremacy?
Carry on.
Oh and Egypt did return the favor in 1973. In the war of Sinai liberation the Egyptian army was ready to close in to Israel after the fall of Bar Lex line and the Nixon administration stepped in to broker a peace deal with Saddat. Yea the irony in light of your comment.
Sinai, you mean territory that was rightfully annexed after Egypt chose to attack Israel on a holiday? Funny you call it a liberation, they made a bet and lost boohoo. They were ready to close in Israel, you're right but they were just going to end up losing in the end. Nixon had to step in or it'd just be continuing the slaughter fest that is war.
Clearly you don't know what you're talking about and you so obviously have no idea about the region whatsoever.
Oh yes clearly, because I obviously don't read any news of the region or inform myself of history in the region(sarcasm). You sound like a very pissed off Arab that's been proven wrong.
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Egypt why? About Lebanon i kind of agree. Hizbullah isn't stronger than the IDF but they pretty exhaust them much like the Vietcong was for the US.
Its the only Israel neighboring country that has not been a total **** over the course of the past 65 years or so. It managed to reestablish its full sovereignty in 1973 after the defeat of 1967 and the fall of Sinai. The penetration of Bar Lev line was stuff of legend. You can't dismiss that Egypt has been a key player in regional conflicts and in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict too. I will also add its among the few, if not the only state with a respectable military establishment and intelligence agency in the region.
What? Egypt was not even close to regaining Sinai. Israel controlled more territory than they lost during that war.
Why people still mess with Israel is completely beyond me. Every time in recent history that a country has picked a fight with Israel they lose, and they lose badly. You think someone would learn their lesson.
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Oh **** off with the US bitch crap. Israel use their own training and own manpower and strategic decisions to destroy their opponents. Give credit where it's properly due instead of beating around the bush. And I have no idea what you mean about Egypt when Egypt got it's ass kicked in the Yom Kippur War in the end.
Sooooo, you want to tell me that the U.S had and currently has nothing to do with Israel's overall supremacy?
Carry on.
Oh and Egypt did return the favor in 1973. In the war of Sinai liberation the Egyptian army was ready to close in to Israel after the fall of Bar Lex line and the Nixon administration stepped in to broker a peace deal with Saddat. Yea the irony in light of your comment.
Sinai, you mean territory that was rightfully annexed after Egypt chose to attack Israel on a holiday? Funny you call it a liberation, they made a bet and lost boohoo. They were ready to close in Israel, you're right but they were just going to end up losing in the end. Nixon had to step in or it'd just be continuing the slaughter fest that is war.
Clearly you don't know what you're talking about and you so obviously have no idea about the region whatsoever.
Oh yes clearly, because I obviously don't read any news of the region or inform myself of history in the region(sarcasm). You sound like a very pissed off Arab that's been proven wrong.
Why people still mess with Israel is completely beyond me. Every time in recent history that a country has picked a fight with Israel they lose, and they lose badly. You think someone would learn their lesson.
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Oh **** off with the US bitch crap. Israel use their own training and own manpower and strategic decisions to destroy their opponents. Give credit where it's properly due instead of beating around the bush. And I have no idea what you mean about Egypt when Egypt got it's ass kicked in the Yom Kippur War in the end.
Sooooo, you want to tell me that the U.S had and currently has nothing to do with Israel's overall supremacy?
Carry on.
Oh and Egypt did return the favor in 1973. In the war of Sinai liberation the Egyptian army was ready to close in to Israel after the fall of Bar Lex line and the Nixon administration stepped in to broker a peace deal with Saddat. Yea the irony in light of your comment.
Sinai, you mean territory that was rightfully annexed after Egypt chose to attack Israel on a holiday? Funny you call it a liberation, they made a bet and lost boohoo. They were ready to close in Israel, you're right but they were just going to end up losing in the end. Nixon had to step in or it'd just be continuing the slaughter fest that is war.
Clearly you don't know what you're talking about and you so obviously have no idea about the region whatsoever.
Oh yes clearly, because I obviously don't read any news of the region or inform myself of history in the region(sarcasm). You sound like a very pissed off Arab that's been proven wrong.
Them goyim :3
lol I'm not Jewish or from Israel, but I tend to know the type that constantly hate on Israel. They are either Arabs or liberals. Never both at the same time though. lol
Except for Egypt. And the Lebanese war was not pretty either. But yea, when you have the world's superpower as your bitch its to be expected that you will often win.
Egypt why? About Lebanon i kind of agree. Hizbullah isn't stronger than the IDF but they pretty exhaust them much like the Vietcong was for the US.
Its the only Israel neighboring country that has not been a total **** over the course of the past 65 years or so. It managed to reestablish its full sovereignty in 1973 after the defeat of 1967 and the fall of Sinai. The penetration of Bar Lev line was stuff of legend. You can't dismiss that Egypt has been a key player in regional conflicts and in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict too. I will also add its among the few, if not the only state with a respectable military establishment and intelligence agency in the region.
What? Egypt was not even close to regaining Sinai. Israel controlled more territory than they lost during that war.
Its the only Israel neighboring country that has not been a total **** over the course of the past 65 years or so. It managed to reestablish its full sovereignty in 1973 after the defeat of 1967 and the fall of Sinai. The penetration of Bar Lev line was stuff of legend. You can't dismiss that Egypt has been a key player in regional conflicts and in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict too. I will also add its among the few, if not the only state with a respectable military establishment and intelligence agency in the region.
What? Egypt was not even close to regaining Sinai. Israel controlled more territory than they lost during that war.
I'm not following, elaborate please.
How is this reestablishing full sovereignty?
This is indeed Sinai post 1967 and its liberation was the whole point of the war of 1973 which is the point I was making. I'm not sure if I was ambiguous or unclear but here it is again.
Its the only Israel neighboring country that has not been a total **** over the course of the past 65 years or so. It managed to reestablish its full sovereignty in 1973 after the defeat of 1967 and the fall of Sinai. The penetration of Bar Lev line was stuff of legend. You can't dismiss that Egypt has been a key player in regional conflicts and in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict too. I will also add its among the few, if not the only state with a respectable military establishment and intelligence agency in the region.
What? Egypt was not even close to regaining Sinai. Israel controlled more territory than they lost during that war.
I'm not following, elaborate please.
How is this reestablishing full sovereignty?
This is indeed Sinai post 1967 and its liberation was the whole point of the war of 1973 which is the point I was making. I'm not sure if I was ambiguous or unclear but here it is again.
Its the only Israel neighboring country that has not been a total **** over the course of the past 65 years or so. It managed to reestablish its full sovereignty in 1973 after the defeat of 1967 and the fall of Sinai. The penetration of Bar Lev line was stuff of legend. You can't dismiss that Egypt has been a key player in regional conflicts and in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict too. I will also add its among the few, if not the only state with a respectable military establishment and intelligence agency in the region.
What? Egypt was not even close to regaining Sinai. Israel controlled more territory than they lost during that war.
I'm not following, elaborate please.
How is this reestablishing full sovereignty?
This is indeed Sinai post 1967 and its liberation was the whole point of the war of 1973 which is the point I was making. I'm not sure if I was ambiguous or unclear but here it is again.
No it's post 73
So Sinai has been Israeli soil for the past 40 years or so?
Its the only Israel neighboring country that has not been a total **** over the course of the past 65 years or so. It managed to reestablish its full sovereignty in 1973 after the defeat of 1967 and the fall of Sinai. The penetration of Bar Lev line was stuff of legend. You can't dismiss that Egypt has been a key player in regional conflicts and in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict too. I will also add its among the few, if not the only state with a respectable military establishment and intelligence agency in the region.
What? Egypt was not even close to regaining Sinai. Israel controlled more territory than they lost during that war.
I'm not following, elaborate please.
How is this reestablishing full sovereignty?
This is indeed Sinai post 1967 and its liberation was the whole point of the war of 1973 which is the point I was making. I'm not sure if I was ambiguous or unclear but here it is again.
No it's post 73
So Sinai has been Israeli soil for the past 40 years or so?
No Israel gave Sinai in 1979. That's when they "reestablished their full sovereignty". In the 1973 war they did manage to threaten Israel initially, but at the end Israel could've done whatever they wanted with them if the intl. community had not intervened.
Its the only Israel neighboring country that has not been a total **** over the course of the past 65 years or so. It managed to reestablish its full sovereignty in 1973 after the defeat of 1967 and the fall of Sinai. The penetration of Bar Lev line was stuff of legend. You can't dismiss that Egypt has been a key player in regional conflicts and in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict too. I will also add its among the few, if not the only state with a respectable military establishment and intelligence agency in the region.
What? Egypt was not even close to regaining Sinai. Israel controlled more territory than they lost during that war.
I'm not following, elaborate please.
How is this reestablishing full sovereignty?
This is indeed Sinai post 1967 and its liberation was the whole point of the war of 1973 which is the point I was making. I'm not sure if I was ambiguous or unclear but here it is again.
No it's post 73
So Sinai has been Israeli soil for the past 40 years or so?
How do you not know this?
At the end of the 73 war the majority of the Egyptian military forces in the sinai were either encircled or destroyed and Israel had its forces, which reached well past Sinai, into africa and to around 100~ km from Cairo (1600 sqr km of occupied territory west of the suez canal), held as a result of a soviet threat of invasion (with a Russian marines division and battleships headed to Haifa) and a diplomatic standoff with the US (not that Israel had the capacity to conquer well past what it did, considering man power limitations). Saadat actually fired his chief general, as a result.
Sinai was returned to Egypt in 79' per the peace treaty.
Its the only Israel neighboring country that has not been a total **** over the course of the past 65 years or so. It managed to reestablish its full sovereignty in 1973 after the defeat of 1967 and the fall of Sinai. The penetration of Bar Lev line was stuff of legend. You can't dismiss that Egypt has been a key player in regional conflicts and in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict too. I will also add its among the few, if not the only state with a respectable military establishment and intelligence agency in the region.
What? Egypt was not even close to regaining Sinai. Israel controlled more territory than they lost during that war.
I'm not following, elaborate please.
How is this reestablishing full sovereignty?
This is indeed Sinai post 1967 and its liberation was the whole point of the war of 1973 which is the point I was making. I'm not sure if I was ambiguous or unclear but here it is again.
No it's post 73
So Sinai has been Israeli soil for the past 40 years or so?
No Israel gave Sinai in 1979. That's when they "reestablished their full sovereignty". In the 1973 war they did manage to threaten Israel initially, but at the end Israel could've done whatever they wanted with them if the intl. community had not intervened.
I've done some quick research and yes it seems that it took a while for that to happen. I stand corrected.
So Sinai has been Israeli soil for the past 40 years or so?
How do you not know this?
At the end of the 73 war the majority of the Egyptian military forces in the sinai were either encircled or destroyed and Israel had its forces, which reached well past Sinai, into africa and to around 100~ km from Cairo (1600 sqr km of occupied territory west of the suez canal), held as a result of a soviet threat of invasion (with a Russian marines division and battleships headed to Haifa) and a diplomatic standoff with the US (not that Israel had the capacity to conquer well past what it did, considering man power limitations). Saadat actually fired his chief general, as a result.
Sinai was returned to Egypt in 79' per the peace treaty.
I was reading on this just now and yes I was off. Your take pretty much sums it up rather realistically. Again I stand corrected.
I also came across some wild stuff saying that the whole thing was a sham. Its too late to go into details now though.
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